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A JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) No. 26 "Black Spiders" squadron landing at PAF Base Peshawar.

This is scary as hell...when are we going to learn !

Hi,

Thank you for your reply----. We need to get out of this ' decent ' kind of mindset---. We desperately need something right in your face kind of----we need deep strike and heavy---that can carry a load of at least 4 Cm400's----.

This range is not enough---JF 17 is not " enough " of an aircraft for the protection of Karachi and its assets----.

Our strikers must be able to target Mumbai and poona-----.

Honorable MK.
What is your choice of a/c for such mission and range?
 
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This is scary as hell...when are we going to learn !



Honorable MK.
What is your choice of a/c for such mission and range?

Hi,

Around 2000 miles to 2500 miles radius after it has been refueled----.My weapon of choice is the JH7B with aesa and all the rest of the goodies---specially the growler type package.

At around 25 million a pop---with 10000 KG load----mach 2 speed----air refuelling capability----aesa radar---it is as good or a better aircraft for deep strike missions than an SU35 or a J11D---which would run westward of 50 million a pop.

Plus it will use all the weaponery that the JF 17 has and more---ability to carry 2--4 ALCM's----ability to carry 2--4 Cm400AKG type AShM---.

Just imagine a Pakistani BVR truck---with a massive 1600 T/R modules aesa and 8---10 upcoming PL15 BVR missiles flying as escort for deep strike mission with growler capabilities as well and that only at around 25 million a pop----.
 
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Hi,

Around 2000 miles to 2500 miles radius after it has been refueled----.My weapon of choice is the JH7B with aesa and all the rest of the goodies---specially the growler type package.

At around 25 million a pop---with 10000 KG load----mach 2 speed----air refuelling capability----aesa radar---it is as good or a better aircraft for deep strike missions than an SU35 or a J11D---which would run westward of 50 million a pop.

Plus it will use all the weaponery that the JF 17 has and more---ability to carry 2--4 ALCM's----ability to carry 2--4 Cm400AKG type AShM---.

Just imagine a Pakistani BVR truck---with a massive 1600 T/R modules aesa and 8---10 upcoming PL15 BVR missiles flying as escort for deep strike mission with growler capabilities as well and that only at around 25 million a pop----.

Is JH7B available for export?
 
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Is JH7B available for export?

Hi,

For Pakistan---it is ----. It is will be the chinese naval air arm's primary aircraft for naval strike missions against the incoming American forces----.

In the growler mode---this aircraft would be leading the Chinese SU30's and J11D in the conflict guiding them and giving them protection.
 
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Hi,

Thank you for your reply----. We need to get out of this ' decent ' kind of mindset---. We desperately need something right in your face kind of----we need deep strike and heavy---that can carry a load of at least 4 Cm400's----.

This range is not enough---JF 17 is not " enough " of an aircraft for the protection of Karachi and its assets----.

Our strikers must be able to target Mumbai and poona-----.

i dont disagree with this, but ONLY heavy deep strike fighters are not the solution to the DEFENSE of the coastal areas.. which is the PAF's primary task.. reason being that these air superiority/deep strike fighters are primarily an OFFENSIVE weapon.. they are more expensive to maintain with greater turn around times.. it would be more prudent to use these strike aircraft for the OFFENSIVE operations and keep the JFT for regular CAP operations and "protection of Karachi and its assets" with support from the Heavies on a need by need basis.. keeping the JFTs "WORKHORSE" status, for which it was originally intended..

Hi,

Around 2000 miles to 2500 miles radius after it has been refueled----.My weapon of choice is the JH7B with aesa and all the rest of the goodies---specially the growler type package.

At around 25 million a pop---with 10000 KG load----mach 2 speed----air refuelling capability----aesa radar---it is as good or a better aircraft for deep strike missions than an SU35 or a J11D---which would run westward of 50 million a pop.

Plus it will use all the weaponery that the JF 17 has and more---ability to carry 2--4 ALCM's----ability to carry 2--4 Cm400AKG type AShM---.

Just imagine a Pakistani BVR truck---with a massive 1600 T/R modules aesa and 8---10 upcoming PL15 BVR missiles flying as escort for deep strike mission with growler capabilities as well and that only at around 25 million a pop----.

with no aircraft to support them at such ranges? JFT would not be able to do that and the F-16s would be hard pressed on the eastern front.. therefore the need for multirole aircraft instead of dedicated strike platforms.. the Chinese have their SUs and Jxx supporting them in this configuration..
 
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i dont disagree with this, but ONLY heavy deep strike fighters are not the solution to the DEFENSE of the coastal areas.. which is the PAF's primary task.. reason being that these air superiority/deep strike fighters are primarily an OFFENSIVE weapon.. they are more expensive to maintain with greater turn around times.. it would be more prudent to use these strike aircraft for the OFFENSIVE operations and keep the JFT for regular CAP operations and "protection of Karachi and its assets" with support from the Heavies on a need by need basis.. keeping the JFTs "WORKHORSE" status, for which it was originally intended..



with no aircraft to support them at such ranges? JFT would not be able to do that and the F-16s would be hard pressed on the eastern front.. therefore the need for multirole aircraft instead of dedicated strike platforms.. the Chinese have their SUs and Jxx supporting them in this configuration..

Hi,

A good defense is a good offence-----. With this aircraft you are able to strike Mumbai and surrounding areas-----with Babur ALCM----you got all southern india at your finger tips----with AShM CM400---you can strike back at the enemy flotilla----with raad----you can choose smart targets----but this fight needs to go halfway down india.

You can have support aircraft to give them coverage up to certain extent------. But you are using standoff weapons over here----. But basically---you are sending your aircraft on first strike missions on a way way trip permit---.

JFT is not a work horse----it is a fill in type of aircraft for the type of enemy it is facing. It will be the work horse of many an air force-----where the nation is not facing 300 SU30's and 100 +++Mig 29's etc etc etc----.

The work horse of Pakistan is the F 16 and another heavy aircraft the paf might procure----.

If paf is naming JFT as a work horse-----then they do not understand what a work horse is----. JFT is a worker Bee-----.

Work horses are massive beasts in size----almost twice as big as the horses we have in Pakistan---and perform heavy tasks. So---to name the little Dinkle JFT as a work horse is incorrect.

The issue of expensive to maintain and expensive to operate is a mute issue by now---. If Pakistan wants to operate Gwadar port---it needs the protection of heavy aircraft----.

If the enemy strikes---you can also go down and strike deep at its core---. The enemy will destroy Karachi and Gwadar----we must be able to destroy Mumbai and poona amongst other cities-----but Mumbai is a must----and that cannot be done without the heavies----.

An aircraft like the JH7B would also be capable of launching every missile that is in the Chinese arsenal WVR---BVR whatever---PL5--SD10 A & B---PL15---what ever is coming---.

When I say a flying range of 2000-2500 miles---it s not straight one way---most of the trips are going to be 500---800 miles dog leg journey---launch their stuff from a distance and fly back----.
 
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I think it's clear:
150 JF-17s (50 from each Block)
100 J-10BS-CS (50 from each Block BS and CS Dual Seat - Similar to Sufa)
100 used F-16s (I don't see a bright future of 18 Blk-52s)
Chinese -Ukrainian SU-27s with Russian upgrade (only Possible if China provide the SU-27s for free) - A Superb Aircraft for Naval Role.
 
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no news about which HMD will be used in JF-17 but this picture is of Zuhai Air Show And this HMD is of J-31

I know all that. It will be used for J-31 but it can be programmed to be adjusted for the use of JF-17's as well. It's all about software, which can be done. This HMD is quite an option & if selected, it might as-well turn out to be as good as JHMCS.
 
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I know all that. It will be used for J-31 but it can be programmed to be adjusted for the use of JF-17's as well. It's all about software, which can be done. This HMD is quite an option & if selected, it might as-well turn out to be as good as JHMCS.

well Anything can happen you never know... :) :) hope for the best
 
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Hi,

A good defense is a good offence-----. With this aircraft you are able to strike Mumbai and surrounding areas-----with Babur ALCM----you got all southern india at your finger tips----with AShM CM400---you can strike back at the enemy flotilla----with raad----you can choose smart targets----but this fight needs to go halfway down india.

You can have support aircraft to give them coverage up to certain extent------. But you are using standoff weapons over here----. But basically---you are sending your aircraft on first strike missions on a way way trip permit---.

JFT is not a work horse----it is a fill in type of aircraft for the type of enemy it is facing. It will be the work horse of many an air force-----where the nation is not facing 300 SU30's and 100 +++Mig 29's etc etc etc----.

The work horse of Pakistan is the F 16 and another heavy aircraft the paf might procure----.

If paf is naming JFT as a work horse-----then they do not understand what a work horse is----. JFT is a worker Bee-----.

Work horses are massive beasts in size----almost twice as big as the horses we have in Pakistan---and perform heavy tasks. So---to name the little Dinkle JFT as a work horse is incorrect.

The issue of expensive to maintain and expensive to operate is a mute issue by now---. If Pakistan wants to operate Gwadar port---it needs the protection of heavy aircraft----.

If the enemy strikes---you can also go down and strike deep at its core---. The enemy will destroy Karachi and Gwadar----we must be able to destroy Mumbai and poona amongst other cities-----but Mumbai is a must----and that cannot be done without the heavies----.

An aircraft like the JH7B would also be capable of launching every missile that is in the Chinese arsenal WVR---BVR whatever---PL5--SD10 A & B---PL15---what ever is coming---.

When I say a flying range of 2000-2500 miles---it s not straight one way---most of the trips are going to be 500---800 miles dog leg journey---launch their stuff from a distance and fly back----.
JH-7B should be 4th Jet in our Air Force third should be one of these three
1 SU-35
2 J-11 D
3 J10B or J-10 C
 
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The first step should be to replace our ageing fleet of Mirages and F-7s with JF-17s in the role of the previous aircrafts. Sweep and escort can be provided by the F-16s. This is enough to provide the air power required in the present situation. To me rest is wishful thinking and would be wrong prioritization in a poor country.
 
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The first step should be to replace our ageing fleet of Mirages and F-7s with JF-17s in the role of the previous aircrafts. Sweep and escort can be provided by the F-16s. This is enough to provide the air power required in the present situation. To me rest is wishful thinking and would be wrong prioritization in a poor country.

replace F-7 by JF-17 and Mirages by J-10 keep on adding F-16's until 5th generation platform is ready weather it's J-31 (China) or TAI TFX (Turkey) which will take almost a decade...
 
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Hi,

Around 2000 miles to 2500 miles radius after it has been refueled----.My weapon of choice is the JH7B with aesa and all the rest of the goodies---specially the growler type package.

At around 25 million a pop---with 10000 KG load----mach 2 speed----air refuelling capability----aesa radar---it is as good or a better aircraft for deep strike missions than an SU35 or a J11D---which would run westward of 50 million a pop.

Plus it will use all the weaponery that the JF 17 has and more---ability to carry 2--4 ALCM's----ability to carry 2--4 Cm400AKG type AShM---.

Just imagine a Pakistani BVR truck---with a massive 1600 T/R modules aesa and 8---10 upcoming PL15 BVR missiles flying as escort for deep strike mission with growler capabilities as well and that only at around 25 million a pop----.
Ha Ha if this happens, I m 100% sure that we will not ever hear the news of surgical strikes in Pakistan.
Because they know there is a big slaughtering machine in the hands of our neighbor.
 
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The first step should be to replace our ageing fleet of Mirages and F-7s with JF-17s in the role of the previous aircrafts. Sweep and escort can be provided by the F-16s. This is enough to provide the air power required in the present situation. To me rest is wishful thinking and would be wrong prioritization in a poor country.

replace F-7 by JF-17 and Mirages by J-10 keep on adding F-16's until 5th generation platform is ready weather it's J-31 (China) or TAI TFX (Turkey) which will take almost a decade...

Gentlemen,

Please talk about the battle scenario as to what the role of these aircraft would be against the enemy aircraft and how these aircraft would counter.

Ha Ha if this happens, I m 100% sure that we will not ever hear the news of surgical strikes in Pakistan.
Because they know there is a big slaughtering machine in the hands of our neighbor.

Hi,

Thank you----that is exactly the thinking behind it----.
 
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