JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

[Bratva]

No new information regarding JF-17 but H khan of pakdef commenting two hard point under engine and more stand off weapons for JF-17.

two handpoint under engine is impossible unless there is some redesigning done to JF-17 fuselage. There is no place to fit two hardpoints in either Block-1 or Block -2

@Oscar would corroborate this fact as well.

 

[Donatello]

two handpoint under engine is impossible unless there is some redesigning done to JF-17 fuselage. There is no place to fit two hardpoints in either Block-1 or Block -2

@Oscar would corroborate this fact as well.

A full pair of hardpoints might not be possible but they can sure add a lightweight one just like under the intake or 'chin' of the f-16.....for mounting pods etc..That way pods don't waste a full wing hardpoint.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Bratva

Fighter planes are designed AROUND their engines
More thrust means more weight carrying abilities

TWR ; ITR ; STR all depend on engine power

EVEN AESA radar consumes a lot of power which has to come from the engine

 

[monitor]

A full pair of hardpoints might not be possible but they can sure add a lightweight one just like under the intake or 'chin' of the f-16.....for mounting pods etc..That way pods don't waste a full wing hardpoint.

May be khan saheb means that .here is his reply regarding this

Judging by recent block-2 pics, two hardpoints are unlikely to be part of block-II

Your judgment on this forum has been pretty lapsed. I wrote this based on having conversation with two pilots at IDEAS and one of them actually showed me where the location of these hard points would be.

 

[Bratva]

A full pair of hardpoints might not be possible but they can sure add a lightweight one just like under the intake or 'chin' of the f-16.....for mounting pods etc..That way pods don't waste a full wing hardpoint.

I thought about intake but for some reason, Brass has decided against introducing beneath intake. Perhaps DSI structure isn't strong enough to hold a HP. Just look at Block-2 pics, If additional HP was to introduced under chin or intake, there would been a clear indication.

May be khan saheb means that .here is his reply regarding this

In it's present config, there is no place where we can introduce additional HP. We have to redesign certain elements to add one or two HP. Take an example of Gripen NG

On the contrary if we look at Block-1 and Block-2 fuselage, there is no palce, but there are hints of JF-17 redesignment ( Diamond nose CAD in PAC promotional video). So we have to wait until block-3 to get additional HP

 

[IrbiS]

I thought about intake but for some reason, Brass has decided against introducing beneath intake. Perhaps DSI structure isn't strong enough to hold a HP. Just look at Block-2 pics, If additional HP was to introduced under chin or intake, there would been a clear indication.




In it's present config, there is no place where we can introduce additional HP. We have to redesign certain elements to add one or two HP. Take an example of Gripen NG

On the contrary if we look at Block-1 and Block-2 fuselage, there is no palce, but there are hints of JF-17 redesignment ( Diamond nose CAD in PAC promotional video). So we have to wait until block-3 to get additional HP

There's some price to pay in return of "cost effectiveness"

 

[IrbiS]

 

[fatman17]

News from China is good and bad. The good news is that Russia is going to deliver another batch of 100 RD93 engines for the JF17 program. The bad news is that it means China is facing issues with the development of the WS13 engine, even though a production line for the manufacture of the WS13 has been set up at Guizong. It is expected that it will take a few more years for the WS13 to develop into a dependable engine. On a side note the RD93 engine will also be used as a test-bed for the J31 program until the WS15 engine is ready around 2020.

 

[AFlover]

News from China is good and bad. The good news is that Russia is going to deliver another batch of 100 RD93 engines for the JF17 program. The bad news is that it means China is facing issues with the development of the WS13 engine, even though a production line for the manufacture of the WS13 has been set up at Guizong. It is expected that it will take a few more years for the WS13 to develop into a dependable engine. On a side note the RD93 engine will also be used as a test-bed for the J31 program until the WS15 engine is ready around 2020.

Are these 100 RD93 engins are standard versions r RD93MA?
I think there were news that russia is ready to give MA versions also with extra thrust.
So srandard version mean performance difference between block1 & 2 will not be
big enough.
Only avionics IFR and multi rack weapon pad which r being installed on block1

 

[fatman17]

Are these 100 RD93 engins are standard versions r RD93MA?
I think there were news that russia is ready to give MA versions also with extra thrust.
So srandard version mean performance difference between block1 & 2 will not be
big enough.
Only avionics IFR and multi rack weapon pad which r being installed on block1

The RD93 MA is being considered for J31.

 

[Gryphon]

UPDATE: The first two SBP JF-17 Block 2s are now under flight trails with T&E unit at PAF base Kamra-Minhas. The unit is also flying 8 Block 1s comprising the first two Block 1 SBP and last 6 Block 1 serial production aircraft. The unit will receive three more jets from the advanced block in a couple of months.

 

[IrbiS]

News from China is good and bad. The good news is that Russia is going to deliver another batch of 100 RD93 engines for the JF17 program. The bad news is that it means China is facing issues with the development of the WS13 engine, even though a production line for the manufacture of the WS13 has been set up at Guizong. It is expected that it will take a few more years for the WS13 to develop into a dependable engine. On a side note the RD93 engine will also be used as a test-bed for the J31 program until the WS15 engine is ready around 2020.

Current version of RD in use isn't big problem even PAF sources look comfortable that there would be enough to to fulfill at least our own requirements but we should've something better for future.

 

[AFlover]

Current version of RD in use isn't big problem even PAF sources look comfortable that there would be enough to to fulfill at least our own requirements but we should've something better for future.

Now since we will retire mirages and pgs after few years jft will replace them though jft is far better in many areas but not in speed. Mirages have 2+ mac speed thats is the only we have againsy heavy su30s master in speed currently in indian subcontinent.
Jft with max speed 1.6 is not in par with any indian jets so
PAF should opt for rd93ma for next batch

Everybody is waiting for J31 but wen will it join PAF no body knows yet.

 

[IrbiS]

Now since we will retire mirages and pgs after few years jft will replace them though jft is far better in many areas but not in speed. Mirages have 2+ mac speed thats is the only we have againsy heavy su30s master in speed currently in indian subcontinent.
Jft with max speed 1.6 is not in par with any indian jets so
PAF should opt for rd93ma for next batch

Everybody is waiting for J31 but wen will it join PAF no body knows yet.

I was talking about the availability of the current version and expressed hope that for future, we should have something more powerful. But unlike you, I would like a better engine with modified frame for substantial payload and room for future upgrades, not just mach 2 for racing purpose.

Let that technology demonstrator without any technology right now, give time for development and then we'll see

 

[IrbiS]

An year old but informative