JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

[randomradio]

Hi,

The JF 17 is a tad bit too small an aircraft---to be converted to a medium sized fighter aircraft---.

The JF-17 is restricted by engine. Or the airframe itself can be increased by 20% to rival the F-16 B60. There is a new RD-33 engine being developed for 10 tons thrust, perhaps that can be part of the JF-17.

 

[RAMPAGE]

The problem is in funding and time. You know that aircraft designs are not as simple as designing cars or other machines. Because of the risks involved it needs to be tested extensively and costs money.
So there are 3 aspects to it:
A) finding a bigger engine and establishing overhauling facilities for it. Iam assuming it is going to be Russian as well probably AL series. WS10 is too unreliable to be considered at the moment.
B) Redesigning the whole fuselage with associated testing and evaluation(therefore time and money).
C) the likelihood is the design characteristics might not alter tremendously and therefore there is too much of a nelement of predictability. You will laso not bring any newer technology as the source remains the same.
So you have found a very expensive way of producing a J10 equivalent of JFT which you were trying to avoid, it will come in 2020-23 assuming you start tomorrow, you cant do it alone which is why it wont happen as the Chinese will not allow you to produce a plane which will compromise sales of their J10 series.
So all in all not a good idea.I think wait for a couple of years to get a better RD series engine for JFT, increase the composite element of ti to reduce the weigh and add a couple of hardpoints for PODs and new ewsuite and Radar and you have what you need on a more ceconomical manner.
Hope this helps
A

In terms of JF-17 powerplant, Air Commodore Mahmood told AIN that, “We’re satisfied with the [Russian Klimov] RD-93, but some customers may want another engine. We have done preliminary studies on the [Eurojet] EJ200 and [Snecma] M88. They are doable.”

JF-17 Thunder Gets First Export Customer | Defense News: Aviation International News

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

It is a misnomer amongst many that building an aircraft is more difficult than building a car----.

Actually---there is no comparison----. These are two different engineering fields.

On the cars---the frame also has to take hits so the passengers survive---there is a frontal crash---there is an offset crash----there are side crashes---there is rear end collision----there is collision with a vehicle sitting higher---you have brake issues to overcome---you have unintended acceleration issues---you have airbag issues---you have exploding fuel tank issues----you have seat belt issues---you have front seat back breaking issues in a crash---you have hood issues in a crash----you have front crumple zone issues in a crash----you have ignition keys and ignition key locks issues----.

These EACH issues are in BILLIONS of dollars in liability----and I have not gotten in electrical wirings---fuel tank explosions during accident---engine and transmission---and ROLLOVER problem issues---.

The un-intended acceleration issue has cost Toyota more than what it cost to research and build 300 JF17 aircraft---.

Technically it is easier to design aircraft---the structure and the frame---the issues are with integrating the modern electronics packages and smart weapons and then learning to use them.

Now----amongst aircraft---the 4.5 gen and 5th gen aircraft are different----.

The J31 cannot do the job of a SU35---SU34---J11---J16----but compliment it---these are heavy strike aircraft with long legs----the J31 is a stealth aircraft with limited options---limited missile carrying ability---very limited range----limited bomb carrying options---.

The utility of a J31 aicraft is fine when facing a force similar in size to your's----but when facing 2 1/2 times in numbers---where the number of heavies in the enemy arsenal is as much as your total air force---there is no other option but to have the heavy strike & air superiority platforms.

We come back to another issue repeated many a times---larger JF 17---.

The only reason that could be---that the paf does not like the delta wing design of the J10's---and paf really thinks that the JF17's overall wing design is far superior to that of the delta design of the J10---and still that would be a bad mistake---.

 

[Dazzler]

From the cockpit...

 

[Imran Khan]

this damn big round stopping visibility

 

[ghauri05]

The problem is in funding and time. You know that aircraft designs are not as simple as designing cars or other machines. Because of the risks involved it needs to be tested extensively and costs money.
So there are 3 aspects to it:
A) finding a bigger engine and establishing overhauling facilities for it. Iam assuming it is going to be Russian as well probably AL series. WS10 is too unreliable to be considered at the moment.
B) Redesigning the whole fuselage with associated testing and evaluation(therefore time and money).
C) the likelihood is the design characteristics might not alter tremendously and therefore there is too much of a nelement of predictability. You will laso not bring any newer technology as the source remains the same.
So you have found a very expensive way of producing a J10 equivalent of JFT which you were trying to avoid, it will come in 2020-23 assuming you start tomorrow, you cant do it alone which is why it wont happen as the Chinese will not allow you to produce a plane which will compromise sales of their J10 series.
So all in all not a good idea.I think wait for a couple of years to get a better RD series engine for JFT, increase the composite element of ti to reduce the weigh and add a couple of hardpoints for PODs and new ewsuite and Radar and you have what you need on a more ceconomical manner.
Hope this helps
A

But Pakistan need to re design Jf-17...for twin engine heavy aircraft......as we r not being able to procure any heavy so far...and PAF's intentions are also quite ambiguous regarding a heavy fighter....All our options seem to be limited either by money or our relations to west...so if Pak wants to have a heavy....Pak need to start work on it immediately....otherwise i m not seeing any other aircraft in PAF except jh-17,f-16 or may be at some 10- yrs j-31....!!!!
Even Iran is going for twin engine long range su-30......but we are not.............!!!!

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The problem is in funding and time. You know that aircraft designs are not as simple as designing cars or other machines. Because of the risks involved it needs to be tested extensively and costs money.
So there are 3 aspects to it:
A) finding a bigger engine and establishing overhauling facilities for it. Iam assuming it is going to be Russian as well probably AL series. WS10 is too unreliable to be considered at the moment.
B) Redesigning the whole fuselage with associated testing and evaluation(therefore time and money).
C) the likelihood is the design characteristics might not alter tremendously and therefore there is too much of a nelement of predictability. You will laso not bring any newer technology as the source remains the same.
So you have found a very expensive way of producing a J10 equivalent of JFT which you were trying to avoid, it will come in 2020-23 assuming you start tomorrow, you cant do it alone which is why it wont happen as the Chinese will not allow you to produce a plane which will compromise sales of their J10 series.
So all in all not a good idea.I think wait for a couple of years to get a better RD series engine for JFT, increase the composite element of ti to reduce the weigh and add a couple of hardpoints for PODs and new ewsuite and Radar and you have what you need on a more ceconomical manner.
Hope this helps
A

Well Sir G J-31 is not Coming before 2024 ... as Per Chinese members that J-31 production will start from 2024

 

[Dazzler]

this damn big round stopping visibility

Most aircraft having two piece canopy have this obstruction..

F-18..

F-15

 

[Umair Nawaz]

JF 17 looks like J-20's baby

because chief designer is same.

 

[fatman17]

The JF-17 is restricted by engine. Or the airframe itself can be increased by 20% to rival the F-16 B60. There is a new RD-33 engine being developed for 10 tons thrust, perhaps that can be part of the JF-17.



The Su-35 is $15M flyaway today. But it's not available to Pakistan.

Doubt it very very much. It can't cost less than a JF17.

 

[Dazzler]

Can't post links yet, the RuAF bought 50 jets at $15M each.

The ruble has depreciated 250% over the last two years. That's why even the scale and scope of the FGFA program has increased. The Russians are getting 2x the amount for R&D now.

Take your fascinations elsewhere and keep the discussion on jf-17.

 

[Bratva]

It was confirm report that it was test via JF17

And pray tell who confirmed it was fired from JF-17 ?

From the cockpit...

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This vision obstruction along with If starboard side IFR is approved will considerably block Pilot vision. If I take a guess, every pilot will feel the pinch or become irritated during dog fights or engagements

 

[HRK]

NO MORE SU-35 RELATED DISCUSSION, THIS THREAD IS FOR JF-17 RELATED DISCUSSION ....

IGNORING THIS WARNING MAY EARN YOU THREAD BAN

 

[Tempest II]

The L-15 fighter version has 9 hardpoints. The L-15 has identical wing span to Fc-1

 

[My-Analogous]

And pray tell who confirmed it was fired from JF-17 ?



This vision obstruction along with If starboard side IFR is approved will considerably block Pilot vision. If I take a guess, every pilot will feel the pinch or become irritated during dog fights or engagements

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Tufail said it is more likely the JF-17 will be the next delivery platform

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