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New Indian Express" July 7 reported that Russia may no longer have promised arms exports to Pakistan, India's this "arch rival" has obtained through Chinese Russian armaments, thus threatening national security in New Delhi.
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"New Indian Express" for example, said that although China does not provide a full set of Russian equipment to Pakistan, but it contains Russian-made components, such as "Fierce Dragon" fighter engines. Let India annoyed that Russia also acquiesced to this behavior. China and Pakistan jointly developed the "Fierce Dragon" fighter, and to provide Russian production of RD-93 engines, this engine is the original MiG-29 fighter RD-33 engine reworked.

Reported that, as early as August 2007, Russia and China will sign a re-export to Pakistan via China RD-93 engines of the agreement. Number of engines covered by the agreement reached 150 units. Today, the 150 units of Russian engines can be used to equip the "Fierce Dragon", you can easily counter India's three MiG-29 fighter squadrons. Meanwhile, the "Fierce Dragon" fighter will become the Pakistan Air Force Cope India 65 MiG-29 fighters of the main. The MiG-29 fighters in India in the late 1980s to buy from the Soviet Union, and now India and Russia have signed a protocol to upgrade these aircraft.

Reported that in the period from 2008-2012, similar to the "Fierce Dragon" fighter and the RD-93 engines such arms has succeeded in making China become the world's fifth largest arms exporter. But a long-term focus of China affairs of the Indian military officers said: "China has always been not to export Russian origin of the equipment, but China provided to Pakistan's military system does contain Russian origin parts."

"New Indian Express" also said that in March this year, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute issued a report that in the past five years, China's arms exports grew by 162%, of which 55% share thanks to Pakistan . These orders from Pakistan, mostly concentrated in the heavyweight fighters, submarines and frigates, most of which is either to buy Russian-made combat equipment or an improved version of Soviet-era equipment.

The final report also pointed out that not only the "Fierce Dragon" fighter, Pakistan's radar, advanced guns, tanks and missiles are more or less the Russian or Chinese "blood."
une 23, 2013 "Jane's Defense Weekly" published an article that during the Paris Air Show, the Argentine aircraft factory FAdeA with Chinese officials held a number of contacts to discuss joint production with China CAC FC-1 "Fierce Dragon" fighter the potential. The heart of the Air Force Armament expert Song told Beijing TV "military decode" part interview that Pakistan Air Force had the "Fierce Dragon" and F-16 fighters for air combat, and found the "Fierce Dragon" repeatedly beat F-16.

Argentine officials said aircraft manufacturing, technology transfer to become the focus of negotiations. Whether discussing the outcome, can be regarded as a modern Chinese fighter production in Latin America's efforts. Argentine aircraft factory officials also said that the joint production of the FC-1 fighter will be named "Arrow III".

Why Argentina spoke of the "Fierce Dragon" so interested, the song of the heart that one good performance, although the aircraft is small, but its maneuverability, to complete the task is considerable. Pakistan Air Force received the "Fierce Dragon", the specialized equipment carries and has conducted a number of F-16 fighter air combat, air combat in the actual results, we found that the "Fierce Dragon" repeatedly beat F-16, according to the final combat result, almost can be said that victory or victory. The news came out, the most worried about is that the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan, they think, F-16 aircraft on behalf of three generations so good, how lost a little "Fierce Dragon", is equal in the boxing field, a lightweight The players put a heavyweight player struck down, This is so incredible. So they're going to understand the situation, and later Pakistan Sri Lanka Air Force refused because there is an agreement between China and Pakistan, "Fierce Dragon" fighter can not make contact with the Americans and Indians.

Pakistan Air Force received the "Fierce Dragon", considered the "Fierce Dragon" is entirely out-performance of three generations of machines, little better than the F-16 is poor. From the "Fierce Dragon" of the situation, in addition to mobility outside the airborne avionics equipment is very advanced, but also in air combat maneuvering which is entirely in accordance with the best way to design and configuration. Such as its combat weapons firing, in accordance with the "hands on the lever" operation, do not release the driver's steering column is, by virtue of the above can be done a variety of switches fired missiles, and then the radio calls are left throttle lever to complete. Which is a very high-end machines and four generations of three generations of machine design, convenient for pilots in combat operations, and make the other side is not easy to get rid of.
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The second is cheap, "Fierce Dragon" price is probably MiG-29 half, one-third of the U.S. F-18, a quarter of the French Rafale, the UK's fifth typhoon. These fighters than the "Fierce Dragon" re an order of magnitude, three generations of fighters belonging to medium-sized, and the "Fierce Dragon" is a light fighter, both lighter than they are an order of magnitude, but much cheaper, can be said that cheap.

Three is to buy "Fierce Dragon" fighter, China also committed to the transfer of technology, which is very attractive. Prospective purchasers "Fierce Dragon" in these countries, the original use of the aircraft, such as the MiG-21 or the American F-5, are light aircraft, light aircraft all these to life, and can not serve, but the United States and Russia This lightweight aircraft no longer in production, so it does not correspond to the replacement of the aircraft, China's "Fierce Dragon" fits their needs in this area.

Next: Foreign media said the Argentine purchase Xiaolong fighter or fight for the British in the Falklands

June 23, 2013, the internationally renowned military journal "Jane's Defense Weekly" published article said that during the Paris Air Show, the Argentine aircraft factory FAdeA with Chinese officials held a number of contacts with China to discuss joint production of FC-1 flying "Fierce Dragon" fighter potential. Argentine officials said aircraft manufacturing, technology transfer to become the focus of negotiations. Whether discussing the outcome, can be regarded as a modern Chinese fighter production in Latin America's efforts. Argentine aircraft factory officials also said that the joint production of the FC-1 fighter will be named "Arrow III".

Foreign media comments, "Fierce Dragon" fighter in addition to the powerful control of the air combat, it can also carry anti-ship missiles, if the United Kingdom and Argentina for the Falklands conflict again, equipped with a "Fierce Dragon" of the Argentine Air Force Expeditionary Fleet missile fired 1982 is no longer a mere 3 a.
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1, the Argentine air force worried about weak

As we all know, Argentina in the 1980s and the outbreak of the Falklands war, the British suffered a crushing defeat, one very important reason is its defense industry controlled by others, led to war began shortly. Western countries because of the arms embargo so that a large number of weapons and combat platforms is difficult to be effective, the Israeli-Arab army "flying fish" anti-ship missiles, for example. Argentina purchased "Exocet" missile is quite advanced, but due to supply the missile France suddenly announced an arms embargo against Argentina, resulting in A military kick only 5 "Exocet" missile after "no rice . " Painful fact that the military struggle to remain invincible in war is not controlled by others, we must take the road of their own. Cutting-edge technology, the introduction of the core technology can not get by, but can not be directly used from abroad, which is obtained in this war Argentina profound lesson. So from this point on, Argentina introduction of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter production line is a reasonable decision, which is consistent with Argentina's long-term development of national defense industry interests.

At present, the overall strength of the Argentine Air Force is relatively weak, and the surrounding Chile and Brazil, compared fighter's combat capability is low, the number of rare, support capability and the actual combat capability almost "not worth mentioning" is basically a "no free defense "of the country. Their weapons, since the Falklands War Western countries are faced with the long-term "soft embargo", coupled with the sluggish economy and lack of funds, and its long-term no replacement fighter fleet, the existing law only fighter "Mirage III "US-made A-4" Skyhawk "aircraft, these aircraft have already passed. For a long time, both in Argentina and neighboring countries there are various territorial disputes in the Malvinas Islands and the United Kingdom have deep historic grievances, both from a practical point of view or a long-term strategy, the Argentine Air Force in urgent need of an advanced fighter aircraft to improve its air combat force "lean" the status quo. In the face of the deployment of the British island in Malaysia "Typhoon" cutting-edge aircraft, the Argentines pain in my heart, but it can not do anything.

2, the Chinese Air Force fighter improved outlook A

In the last century the ruling era of Juan Peron, Argentina self-developed "Arrow II" fighters in Latin America's first self-developed species of swept-wing fighter. Although Argentina's aviation industry once had a relatively glorious past, but the current level of its aviation industry is not high, the entire research capacity and production levels in its infancy, "Fierce Dragon" fighter is based on the "easy enough "Three principles fighter, relatively speaking, the technical requirements of this fighter low, affordable for developing countries at the initial stage has a good adaptability, is a good beginning. Argentina Select Xiaolong fighter is in line with its own technical ability is clearly a wise choice.

The face of British Typhoon fighter Xiaolong fighter although the overall strength of a lot less, but can not fight with the embarrassment of the past compared to the state, there have been a qualitative leap, if you can combine the Chinese production early warning aircraft and electronic warfare aircraft and other combat systems, and the "Typhoon" battle of wits is not a wishful thinking. In addition, as a multi-purpose fighter Xiaolong fighter, with a strong anti-ship capability and ground attack capability, which is equipped with a C-802A anti-ship missiles and CM-802AKG, CM-400AKG Standoff Attack Missile enough for horses on the island British "eat sleep is not fragrant." If we can introduce the "Fierce Dragon" fighter, at least in the short period of time to make the overall appearance of the Air Force A improved.
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Talks the two sides have not reached a final conclusion, Argentine officials said the "technology transfer" problem is a major obstacle. But the talks are Latin American countries and China co-production of modern fighter first attempt. The official said that if the success of the negotiations, Argentina may be co-produced by FC-1 fighter named "Arrow-III". May 2007, Chinese Defense Minister visit to Argentina, the two sides signed a series of cooperation memorandum, China not only provides military trucks to Argentina and Z-11 military helicopter, still in development, and officer training Antarctic matters such as cooperation. So China and Argentina, there is a basis for military cooperation, if included in the contract to China's low-interest loans, then Argentina may be more financially able to accept.

3, multi-country "Fierce Dragon" very interested

Chinese FC-1 fighter CAC for Pakistan designed a lightweight multi-role fighter, aircraft mobility, and have the use of China's fourth generation fighter architecture electronic equipment, be able to use advanced PL-12 medium range air to air missile and PL-9 dogfight missile, but also the ability to mount a variety of open space / air-ship ammunition capacity. The aircraft high cost, international commentators have called F-16C fighter with 50% of the cost to achieve 80 percent of its combat capability. China at the Paris Air Show of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter models are linked to the C-802 anti-ship missile, the missile range of 120 kilometers, to sea-skimming. In addition, the Zhuhai Airshow "Fierce Dragon" also showcased CM-400AKG supersonic air-launched ballistic missile, the missile can hit the target surface vessels, as flight speed, it is difficult to intercept.

According to "Jane's Defense Weekly," June 19 reported that the Pakistan Air Force has successfully completed the "Fierce Dragon" fighter air refueling system ground testing, and look forward to this summer to achieve the first aerial refueling aircraft testing.

June 6, Pakistan Air Force Chief of Staff Tahir Rafiq - Bute Pakistan Air Force headquarters will be in "Jane's" interview process, said, "Fierce Dragon" fighter by China and Pakistan jointly developed, if The aircraft can have air refueling capability, its international sales market will be more broad. "This ground test was very successful, and I am satisfied. (2013) will be successfully completed in late summer air refueling test." He said.

According to reports, a number of developing countries "Fierce Dragon" fighter is very interesting because of the fighter's fighter, compared with Western countries more competitive on price, Egypt and Indonesia, is the "Fierce Dragon" fighter potential future customers.
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Next: China seater fighter Xiaolong operating system upgrades significantly enhance mobility

June 17, the 50th International Paris Air Show at Le Bourget Airport outskirts opening China's two-seater version of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter his first public appearance to suck the eye. Two-seater version of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter which features, with single-seat version differ?

Quasi-three generations promoted to "true three generations."

"Fierce Dragon" two-seat combat trainer (Model Code FC-1B), carried out in the design of aerodynamic shaping, maintained a high maneuverability, upgraded from single-axis fly-by-wire control system axis. In the development process, highlighting the coaches and aircraft ground attack capability, and has a single-seat version of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter considerable combat capability.

Today the third generation of fighters are based on "three-axis four redundant" wire controls, resulting in flight stability and high mobility an advantage, which is typical of the third generation of fighters. The "three-axis four redundant" fly-system is the use of pure digital FBW flight control system is no longer a mechanical joystick. Single-seat version of the "Fierce Dragon" is often called quasi-three generations of aircraft; seater version of the "Fierce Dragon" was published, a direct upgrade to the real third generation fighters.
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Previously produced single-seat version of the "Fierce Dragon" flight control system that uses a vertical full authority four redundant digital + two redundant analog backup FBW transverse mechanical manipulation + limited privileges two redundant digital control augmentation steady operation mode hybrid system. Expected to follow the production of single-seat version of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter, will also be modified "three-axis four redundant" fly-by-system, so that this type of third-generation fighter aircraft really achieve all the performance.

Remarkable progress on mobility

Two-seater version of the "Fierce Dragon" highlights the ground attack capability. Two-seat fighter version of the new airborne equipment, WMD-7 model is the main circadian targeting pod mounted equipment. The pod set infrared, television, in one of the airborne laser optical detection system, day and night conditions at targets on the ground to search, identify and track, mainly for guidance optical guided bombs or unguided bombs on the target precision strikes. Two-seater version can also mount the domestic electronic jamming pods, reconnaissance pods and so on. By mounting different pods, two-seater version of the fighter and ground attack capability will be greatly enhanced.

Two-seater version of the fighter attack on the sea side, to mount the C-802A anti-ship missile combat missions; performing precision strike missions on the ground, the aircraft can be mounted LS-6 satellite-guided bombs and LT-2/3 laser-guided bombs and other weapons; performing common tasks, you can also equip MK-82/84 unguided bombs and other weapons slightly low.

Two-seater "Fierce Dragon" Although remarkable progress on mobility, combat radius has declined, possibly by a single-seat "Fierce Dragon" 1200 km, down from 600 to 800 km. But for a coach-based fighter, is already sufficient.

F-16 strong "adversary"
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Currently "Fierce Dragon" fighter market is mainly located in the second-generation fighter aircraft facelift for the three generations of country, while also facing the U.S. F-16, Russia's MiG-29 and other second-hand the challenges of three generations of machines. However, the "Fierce Dragon" life of its organism, avionics, space for subsequent upgrades, service, equipment, supplies, and other areas. United States, "Strategy Page" Web site analysis: "Fierce Dragon" fighter's real selling point is that it is currently on the market can provide aircraft, relatively cheap and in performance closer to F-16 fighter aircraft of three generations of a light .

Two-seater version of the "Fierce Dragon" come out for the "Fierce Dragon" series fighters opened up a broader market to provide a guarantee.

Next: Russian media said the Argentine purchase China Xiaolong fighter detail: UAV can be directed

People June 28 hearing, according to Russian military messenger network on June 27 reported that representatives of the Argentine aircraft factory FAdeA with China has conducted a series of negotiations, discussions, and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation joint production of JF-17 light utility fighter feasibility.

Russian military messenger network original compiled as follows:
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Currently, Argentina and the negotiations are still in the initial stage. FAdeA spokesman said the technology transfer between the two sides in the negotiations hit a major problem. This needs to be pointed out that, if the two sides can reach an agreement, it will be the first Latin American countries producing fighter developed by China. FAdeA officials said the two sides co-production of FC-1 fighter will be named "Arrow III".

It is reported that Alfonso will choose China as a direct negotiation object, not the Chinese JF-17 project in the main partner - Pakistan.

Experts pointed out that, due to its ability to command the UAV, China exhibited at this year's Paris Air Show during the two-seat JF-17 attracted widespread attention.

FAdeA currently being implemented jointly with the China Aviation Industry Group production CZ-11 light helicopter project. Currently, the two sides co-production of the first aircraft CZ-11 being tested. The helicopter is expected to be put into mass production in 2014, the future will be mainly responsible for the civilian and military transport missions.

In negotiations with the Chinese side at the same time, Argentina from other countries, China is also considering the possibility of buying second-hand fighter, which is now the main follow-up model to determine the Spanish Air Force out of the "Phantom F.1M".

China and Pakistan jointly developed JF-17 fighter aircraft capable of carrying a wide variety of weapons, including a range of 100 km SD-10A "air to air" missile and range 180-250 km CM-400AKG high-speed cruise missiles.
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If A successful completion of the negotiations the two sides, Argentina will be expected to cooperate with the Chinese side to promote the revival of domestic aviation industry.

"New Indian Express" July 7 report
 
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J10B - probably housing an AESA
JF17 B2 - AESA radar for sure

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Some people just don't like to live in reality, especially the one who wrote the article
 
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no AESA for block 2
but then some people were also saying that there will be no twin seater..
so we should wait till the block 2 comes in service.
we have confirmation on Inflight refueling.
 
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Some interesting information on forthcoming JF-17 Block-2.

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IRST is possible and we know that Britans in 90s before sanctations wanted to launch their AESA on this platform but things changed after sanctations……
It was also reported that chineese are working on AESA for JF-17 just based on J-10 but now AESA on nlock 2 will be quite a surprise……
It is not impossible but how much you personally think about validity and applicability of this news and how much superoir can this AESA be from KLJ-7 radar??
well about radar wether it's AESA or upgraded version of KLJ-7 its sure that radar capabilities of JF-17 are going to be increased……:cheers::smokin:
 
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IRST is possible and we know that Britans in 90s before sanctations wanted to launch their AESA on this platform but things changed after sanctations……
It was also reported that chineese are working on AESA for JF-17 just based on J-10 but now AESA on nlock 2 will be quite a surprise……
It is not impossible but how much you personally think about validity and applicability of this news and how much superoir can this AESA be from KLJ-7 radar??
well about radar wether it's AESA or upgraded version of KLJ-7 its sure that radar capabilities of JF-17 are going to be increased……:cheers::smokin:

all the above mentioned gadgets are a part of upgrade plan but the question is, which block will house them? Blk 2 or 3 or will it be gradual. Details keep changing most of the time adding to the confusion.
 
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If people read the article you would realize that we are all saying the same thong. He seems to think that the next 50JFTs would be block1s again with minor modification,ie 1/2more hardpoints,refueling probe and upgraded avionics. This would be 2nd batch of block 1.The real changes with redesigned nose and AESA and composites along with engine change will come with the second block. We are calling them blocks1,2&3.
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@Oscar,

Wonder if this IFR displayed in IDEAS tells a story. !!!
 
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all the above mentioned gadgets are a part of upgrade plan but the question is, which block will house them? Blk 2 or 3 or will it be gradual. Details keep changing most of the time adding to the confusion.

the problem with program is that PAF is involved in this program and you can't expect PAF to out the news……
It's Chineese due to them we too know some certain upgrades also otherwise JF-17 story would be alike H-2 & H-4 story…:rofl:
and I still bleive that its RCS,Speed,service ceiling,payload and radar range are some things in which changes may occur……
and full potential of JF-17 is not reveiled yet…
the reveiled info can be of FC-1(the one for export)…
btw will the export version the nuke warhead carrying capability would be provided or not??:unsure:
 
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