JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[Tempest II]

Can someone who can read Chinese please help translate? From Kanwa March 2014 issue:

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[atlantis_cn]

Can someone who can read Chinese please help translate? From Kanwa March 2014 issue:

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Zimbabwe, the first to request to buy JF17, eventually made a choice between JF17 and L15, they chose L15. Because the latter is comparatively easier to operate, they might reconsider the need to import JF17 when their pocket is full.

 

[aliaselin]

Can someone who can read Chinese please help translate? From Kanwa March 2014 issue:

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Faked news made by Kanwa, and it is publicly known that the country who bought L-15 is Zambia.

 

[fatman17]

China Confident in Export Potential of Targeting Pod

Mar. 18, 2014 - 02:48PM | By WENDELL MINNICK |

On Sale: The WMD-7 Targeting Pod is displayed by the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp. at the 2012 Zhuhai Airshow. (Wendell Minnick/Staff)

TAIPEI — China is confident enough with its fighter jet targeting pods to start pushing them for export at defense trade shows.

At February’s Singapore Airshow, the WMD-7 Targeting Pod was once again presented as an export product at China’s pavilion for its national aviation export agency, the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp. (CATIC).

CATIC displayed the WMD-7 at the 2012 Zhuhai Airshow, and mock-ups have appeared at the 2013 Dubai Airshow and the 2010 and 2012 Farnborough shows.

Another Chinese product beginning to make an appearance on the export market is the Type OC2 laser/infrared-targeting pod produced by the Norinco Group/Harbin Jiancheng Group. The OC2 made its first appearance at the 2012 Zhuhai Airshow.

“That China can market two basically similar optical/infrared targeting pods is a result of their 1998 defense logistics reform decision to invest in a broadly redundant but competitive military production sector,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow of Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

This means that China will have a “better chance of offering the lowest price when it competes with Russian and Western systems,” he said. “We have seen this work for the Chinese in Turkey’s recent surface-to-air missile competition.”

Brochures and CATIC officials do not identify the manufacturing origin of the WMD-7, but Fisher said he thinks the pod is the product of the Luoyang Optoelectric Technology Development Center (LOEC) in Henan province.

LOEC became famous after Google Earth revealed images in 2011 of a full-scale mock-up of the now-retired F-117 stealth fighter.

Also known as the 612 Institute, LOEC is well known for its air-to-air missiles and precision-guided bomb systems, including the LS-6 Thunder Stone precision-guided glide bomb, the TY-90 surface-to-air and air-to-air missile system, and the PL-5, PL-9 and PL-12 (SD-10) air-to-air missiles.

The WMD-7 is outfitted on the Pakistani JF-17 Thunder fighter, codeveloped with China’s Chengdu Aircraft Corp. and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The WMD-7 has also been spotted on the Nanchang Q-5 ground-attack aircraft, but there have been no confirmed exports outside of Pakistan.

CATIC officials indicated the pod used an integrated system of infrared and TV cameras and laser sensors that allow it to search for, identify, track and designate targets on the ground or sea surface.

The Norinco OC2 uses a midwave front-look infrared targeting system with a range of 20 kilometers and an illuminating range of 15 kilometers.

Less is known about the OC2, but Fisher said the pod is a derivative of a “number of Norinco optics and targeting lines.

“Luoyang and Norinco both market competing families of precision air-to-ground laser- and satellite-guided munitions and their associated targeting pods,” he said. “Both targeting pods are subsidized by their being used by the People’s Liberation Army.”

Earlier variants of both pods have been seen on the Xian-built JH-7 fighter-bomber and the Q-5. ■

Email: wminnick@defensenews.com.

 

[SQ8]

Please do not ask repeated questions. Check with the JF-17 information pool and use search function for information.

 

[Gryphon]

Deliveries to Pakistan edged down from USD1.5 billion to USD1.3 billion, despite rising CAC JF-17 fighter imports from China. These made up about a quarter of all Pakistani imports over 2013 and will provide an even larger share in 2014 and 2015 as Pakistan struggles to fund additional programmes.

Excerpt from:

Spending spree: IHS' Second Balance of Trade Report 2014 - IHS Jane's 360

 

[fatman17]

FC-1 Xiaolong / JF-17 Thunder

Background The FC-1 was jointly developed by Chengdu and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC). The aircraft is designated JF-17 Thunder in the Pakistani Air Force (PAF).

Mission Single-engine, single-seat lightweight multirole fighter

Contractor Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC)

Current status Batch production for export customers

Development history The FC-1 started as the Super-7 programme between Chengdu and Grumman in the late-1980s, with the aim of introducing a radically redesigned J-7 (Mig-21 Fishbed-C) incorporated with Western engine and avionics. After Grumman pulled out of the programme in 1989, Chengdu continued the development and later entered a co-development agreement with Pakistan and Russia (Mikoyan). The aircraft first flew on 25 August 2003. 50 examples were delivered to the PAF between 2008 and 2013, with a further 50 examples in the Block-2 configuration expected to be delivered from 2014.

Initial operating capability (IOC) (Pakistani Air Force) 2008

Inventory 50, JF-17 Thunder Block-1, Pakistani Air Force

Comparable rivals

Design features Conventional aerodynamic layout, with mid-mounted wings, lateral divertless supersonic inlet (DSI) air intakes, single-frame bubble cockpit canopy, and two under-belly stabilising fins. The drag chute bay is located at the root of the rudder. An electronic equipment pod is mounted on the tip of the rudder.

Power Plant One Russian Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine

Thrust 49.4kN dry and 84.4kN with afterburning

In-flight refuelling No, but this may be added to the JF-17 Block-2 variant

Length 14m

Height 5.10m

Wingspan 8.5m (without wingtip missiles)

Empty weight 6,411kg

Normal takeoff weight 9,100kg

Maximum takeoff weight 12,700kg

Fuel capacity (Internal) 2,300kg

Payload 3,700kg maximum allowable load

Speed (at altitude) Mach 1.8

Range 3,000km

Service ceiling 16,700m

Armament One internal 23mm single-barrel cannon;
Seven external hard points (1 under the fuselage centre-line; 4 under the wings; 2 on the wingtips);
PL-9 IR-homing SRAAM;
PL-12 (SD-10) active radar-homing MRAAM;
CM-400AKG air-to-surface missile;
MAR-1 anti-radiation missile;
C-802AK anti-ship missile;
Laser-guided bombs (LT-2/LT-3/GBU-16);
Satellite-guided bombs (LS-6)
Low-drag general-purpose bombs;
Unguided rocket launcher pods;

Avionics Chinese KLJ-7V2 multifunctional pulse Doppler fire-control radar (X-band);
‘Glass’ cockpit featuring three colour multifunctional displays (MFD);
Wide-angle head-up display (HUD);
INS/GPS navigation;
1553B MIL data bus;
Crew One






News and analysis

 

[Aslan]

If US deal with Arabs we are not happy, if we deal with Arabs, Indian, Iranians and Americans and their loyalists are not happy.
This world would never be happy.. remember the story of a man his son and donkey!

We need to see what will benifit us, and if sending our troops to other countries does then so be it, let the iranians and the indians burn. What are the americans doing with their army. No one seems to mind. So why should there be a problem with ours.

 

[Side-Winder]

JFT over islamabad today

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202609090760755

 

[nomi007]

Over Islamabad today

 

[ziaulislam]

We need to see what will benifit us, and if sending our troops to other countries does then so be it, let the iranians and the indians burn. What are the americans doing with their army. No one seems to mind. So why should there be a problem with ours.

i wounder about this. Iran already prefer india on pakistan, is refusing to negotiate down the gas price or to do barter trade.
i dont really see what benefits we get by worrying so about iran.
however i still think we shouldn't mess in syria. though i dont mind in supporting only diplomatically a transition govt their. its obvious that asssad govt will fall sooner or later and this hasnt been the first mass uprising in syria. assad father faced same uprising which killed thousands too

lets hope tomorrow is good show of thunder

 

[BATMAN]

We need to see what will benifit us, and if sending our troops to other countries does then so be it, let the iranians and the indians burn. What are the americans doing with their army. No one seems to mind. So why should there be a problem with ours.

I was talking in reference to selling arms and JF-17 to Arabs. Since, there was lots of resentment against the proposal and rumors of arms deal by certain so called Pakistanis.
According to my calculation, if any Arab state selects JF-17, it would be a big boost for the project and Pakistan.
Specially, when we have seen India has offered its own Teja, in tit for tat response.

 

[The SC]

pakistan will ultimatly go into JV's and sell the JF-17 to some arab and other countries, they have to wait for pakistan to fulfill its needs first, since it needs to modernize its own fleet. You do not have to worry about the vrtual Teja. When India can produce and sell the rafale for a better price than you might worry.

 

[Chak Bamu]

pakistan will ultimatly go into JV's and sell the JF-17 to some arab and other countries, they have to wait for pakistan to fulfill its needs first, since it needs to modernize its own fleet. You do not have to worry about the vrtual Teja. When India can produce and sell the rafale for a better price than you might worry.

We have been hearing that PAF is matching the JF-17 production with rate of retirement of older aircraft. If that is correct then, PAF need not worry about production being earmarked for export. Anyone who knows anything about industrial production knows what happens to unit cost when production rate suffers.

 

[The SC]

We have been hearing that PAF is matching the JF-17 production with rate of retirement of older aircraft. If that is correct then, PAF need not worry about production being earmarked for export. Anyone who knows anything about industrial production knows what happens to unit cost when production rate suffers.

It is also about the production capacity and the facilities.