JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[Munir]

We can conclude that these are the weapon tests for Block 2. Looking forward to the Block2 developments.

 

[Bratva]

We can conclude that these are the weapon tests for Block 2. Looking forward to the Block2 developments.

These tests occured in late 2011.

 

[Donatello]

If you look at the blue sky and the horizon, the aircraft is flying at a considerable altitude, probably 40,000ft or plus.

And it releases the glide bomb from that altitude.

Good stuff.

Meaning the targeting systems are good enough to allow JF-17 to release it's weapons load at a higher altitude and thus remain safe from low altitude enemy fire.

 

[Bilal.]

If you look at the blue sky and the horizon, the aircraft is flying at a considerable altitude, probably 40,000ft or plus.

And it releases the glide bomb from that altitude.

Good stuff.

Meaning the targeting systems are good enough to allow JF-17 to release it's weapons load at a higher altitude and thus remain safe from low altitude enemy fire.

It also possibly means that they are testing LS-6 to it's max range of 60 KMs which is achieved when released at high altitude(10000 meters)... Which would mean stand off capability...

 

[Luftwaffe]

Yaar put it on vimeo please. I am visiting Pakistan these days, have to live without youtube. I tried Hotspot shield, but it is too malware-ish and buggy.

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[Crypto]

The interview confirms that we are manufacturing 58% air-frame and 70% avionics in Pakistan.

Now what IR Missile is that?

PL5E without tiny fins.

 

[Bratva]

When they say Block 2 would have improved avionics, what does improved means ? Cockpit layout suggest avionics are already up to date

 

[graphican]

Whats is he saying? Please! Please! Please translation of main points. Anything new?

Few notable for me were,

- Pakistan had thought to produce its own fighter aircraft when it was sanctioned by USA in 1980s but we lacked fund to start the project then. After Pressler Amendments (sanctions), we decided to go for it.
- JF-17 is strings free aircraft which we can build, improve and customize the way we like. Its potential is limited by thought.
- This is the only aircraft which you can get for 15-20-25 millions and which customers can customize to their specific needs.
- JF-17 would cost +- 20 millions and other aircrafts like F-16, Mirage 2000 and Rafale would cost 50 millions for the airframe and 80 millions a piece with weapons package.
- Pakistan plans to produce 150 units.
- Pakistan owns 100% rights to avionics and we are producing up to 80% avionics already. 100% indigenization is the target.
- Pakistan has 100% capacity to produce all spareparts. (this is new to me)
- Pakistan owns 58% rights to air-frame and Pakistan is producing 50% already.
- JF-17 will be sold with complete ownership and because of Pakistan and China producing spare parts, no customer country will find shortage of spare supplies.
- As per original plan, Pakistan was to produce 45 units and 5 units were to be made in China but Chinese fellows suggested us to produce 5 units in Pakistan and let China provide 45 units as Pakistan doesn't had Industrial Base, Backup or Trained technicians to produce required number in time. But Pakistan decided to produce all 50 aircrafts and we produced them in time.
- All the air-chiefs who have visited Pakistan have shown keen interest in the development and wanted to know where we are in the process.
- In terms of Capability, JF-17 will be able to perform everything which F-16 is able to do and we are heading closer to the milestone.
- JF-17 can perform at night and in bad weather conditions.
- He mentioned that a comparable aircraft to JF-17 is LCA but Pakistan is producing its second batch now while LCA has 5-6 aircrafts which are flying around.
- Because of its performance in Dubai, negotiations on several contracts have started.
- Its a powerful air-to-air machine and will have all air-to-air capabilities which F-16 has.
- JF-17 will be able to fire BVR, WVR, Anti-Radiation, Anti-Ship Missiles, Precission Guided and Stand-off Munitions (capable to hit targets at 70-80KM)
- Block-II will have in-flight-refueling capability.

 

[Dazzler]

Quoting H Khan from Pakdef.....

Well, Fahad, according to the pilots who have flown both F-16A and JF-17, their consensus is that the JF-17 doesn't loose speed when it is making hard turns unlike F-16A. One pilot who has flown Mirage-2000-5 and F-16 and JF-17 stated that JF-17 can beat in dog-fight Mirage-2000-5 hands down.

 

[Donatello]

Quoting H Khan from Pakdef.....

Sir....Mirage is delta wing. It will, by it's design, lose speed more rapidly than a conventional wing aircraft. But then delta wing has it's own pros and cons.

Mirage 2000-5 is a very potent platform. However, from the looks of the RDY-2 radar specs, JF-17 is almost equal or edges it out.

So sure, JF-17 would be a very tough opponent for Mirage 2000-5 in both WVR and BVR.

 

[Kompromat]

Delta wings bleed lots of energy during High G turns. Euro Canard concept was invented to fix it.

Some of JF-17s flight performance laws would be better understood from the F/A-18 Hornet's perspective.

 

[Munir]

I do not think that the energy loss is compensated by canards but the moving parts on the main wing can be more simpler and smaller. You still need awful lot power to compensate your turn...

 

[Kompromat]

@Munir

Aerodynamically unstable, DFBEWCS aided canard cropped deltas fly much better and sustain high Gs much better than the previous generation of similar wing designs. Gripen NG is a good example.

 

[Thunder_Rider]

Good Stuff! Masha'Allah

So this means the JFT is cleared to use SD-10 BVR by the Air Force ?

 

[gambit]

When they say Block 2 would have improved avionics, what does improved means ? Cockpit layout suggest avionics are already up to date

Unless whoever 'they' are said anything specific, anything could be 'improved', from guidance laws to display resolution to HUD symbology. Cockpit layout is not a reliable indicator.