JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[GEMINI]

this is previous Dubai Air show and not 2013 video

may be. I just found it on net; claiming to be fresh.

 

[Bratva]

DUBAI: China details performance of 'carrier killer' missile for JF-17


Chinese aerospace giant AVIC has quietly advertised critical details about the accuracy and performance of a secretive project to develop a supersonic cruise missile reportedly dubbed an “aircraft carrier killer” by the launch customer.

A full list of specifications for the CM-400AKG missile was played on a loop inside the AVIC exhibit stand at the Dubai air show; a marketing venue for the JF-17 fighter jointly developed between China and Pakistan - the latter of which operates the type as the "Thunder".

Pakistan air force

News reports have indicated the CM-400 has entered service with the Pakistan air force. The AVIC video notes vaguely that the 910kg (2,000lb) weapon “can be carried by JF-17, etc”. It is usually compared with the Indian/Russian Brahmos high-speed cruise missile.

For the first time, the AVIC video details claims for the accuracy of each of the CM-400’s three major guidance systems, starting with a 50m (164ft) circular error probable (CEP) for an inertial navigation system coupled with satellite positioning. A weapon's CEP is defined as the 50% probability that it will hit within a given radius of the target’s position.

The accuracy of the CM-400 improves by an order of magnitude - to a CEP of 5m - when an onboard infrared (IR)/TV seeker activates to provide terminal guidance. The list also claims that the CEP of the weapon actually worsens to 5-10m when an IR/TV seeker is supplemented by a passive radar during the terminal phase. It is not clear why the passive radar – identified as occupying the L, S and X bands of the electromagnetic spectrum – would not improve the CM-400’s accuracy.

AVIC lists the 0.4m-diameter missile as having a range of between 54-130nm (100-240km), while carrying either a 150kg blast warhead or 200kg penetration warhead.

A list of system features appears to confirm an unusual characteristic associated with the CM-400. Unlike most high-speed cruise missiles, which fly at low altitude to avoid detection, the CM-400 uses “high [altitude] launching” to achieve “higher aircraft survivability”, according to the video.

A fighter such as the Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 would launch the missile at speeds between Mach 0.7 and M0.9 at an elevation between 26,200ft and 39,400ft, according to the AVIC specifications.

News reports indicate the weapon was publicly unveiled by China at the Zhuhai air show in 2012.

 

[Gryphon]

Thunder Over Dubai As First JF-17 Batch Is Completed

by DAVID DONALD

The Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder is being promoted as a capable yet affordable multi-role warplane.

November 18, 2013

Next month a ceremony will be held in Pakistan to mark the delivery of the 50th JF-17 multirole fighter from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) factory at Kamra. The handover marks the completion of production of the first batch of aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Designed in China by Chengdu as the FC-1, the JF-17 Thunder is being jointly developed and marketed by the Chinese and PAC.

With the first batch completed, the Kamra factory is gearing up to begin Block 2 production, with a gap of a few weeks to reconfigure the assembly line to provide for the new version. Block 2 JF-17s differ by between 10 and 15 percent from Block 1 machines, with improvements implemented across much of the avionics suite. The most important difference is the addition of an air-to-air refueling capability.

Block 2 will cover a further 50 aircraft and will complete the current firm orders from the PAF for 100 JF-17s. However, the eventual force requirement is considerably greater as the JF-17 replaces the F-5, F-7 and Mirage in PAF service. The factory is currently producing at a rate of 16 aircraft per year, but can increase to 25 if needed. All JF-17s are assembled in Pakistan, but China retains around 40 percent of the total workshare.

The JF-17 partnership is currently in the process of defining what the configuration of the Block 3 production aircraft will be, with the main aim of enhancing capability. This may include new weapons, from both Chinese and other origins, and possibly new radar and engine. The JF-17 already has the SD-10 (PL-12) active-radar air-to-air missile, and other weapons are being explored. PAC claims that integration of new weapons can be accomplished in a quick and cost-effective fashion.

Chengdu has schemed a two-seat trainer version that may prove attractive to some customers. It is understood that the project remains an engineering study only for now, and any further development would depend on a customer requirement. Pakistan has no such need for a trainer for the time being, as it has found the JF-17 to be an easy aircraft to fly with an excellent human/machine interface. The development of capable simulators means that the conversion of pilots to the type can be accomplished without the need for a two-seater, even for ab initio pilots flying the JF-17 as their first operational type. However, the future development of a two-seat combat aircraft is a possibility.

Here at Dubai the JF-17 is being displayed daily by Wing Commander Ronald, commander of No. 16 ‘Black Panthers’ Squadron. PAC has sent three aircraft to the show to promote the JF-17 to potential buyers. The company suggests that there is a global requirement to replace up to 4,000 early-generation jet fighters, and it is pitching the JF-17 as a cost-effective aircraft that offers true multi-role capability. PAC reports that 11 countries are showing strong interest in the type.

Thunder Over Dubai As First JF-17 Batch Is Completed | Aviation International News

 

[Zarvan]

Thunder Over Dubai As First JF-17 Batch Is Completed

by DAVID DONALD

The Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder is being promoted as a capable yet affordable multi-role warplane.

November 18, 2013

Next month a ceremony will be held in Pakistan to mark the delivery of the 50th JF-17 multirole fighter from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) factory at Kamra. The handover marks the completion of production of the first batch of aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Designed in China by Chengdu as the FC-1, the JF-17 Thunder is being jointly developed and marketed by the Chinese and PAC.

With the first batch completed, the Kamra factory is gearing up to begin Block 2 production, with a gap of a few weeks to reconfigure the assembly line to provide for the new version. Block 2 JF-17s differ by between 10 and 15 percent from Block 1 machines, with improvements implemented across much of the avionics suite. The most important difference is the addition of an air-to-air refueling capability.

Block 2 will cover a further 50 aircraft and will complete the current firm orders from the PAF for 100 JF-17s. However, the eventual force requirement is considerably greater as the JF-17 replaces the F-5, F-7 and Mirage in PAF service. The factory is currently producing at a rate of 16 aircraft per year, but can increase to 25 if needed. All JF-17s are assembled in Pakistan, but China retains around 40 percent of the total workshare.

The JF-17 partnership is currently in the process of defining what the configuration of the Block 3 production aircraft will be, with the main aim of enhancing capability. This may include new weapons, from both Chinese and other origins, and possibly new radar and engine. The JF-17 already has the SD-10 (PL-12) active-radar air-to-air missile, and other weapons are being explored. PAC claims that integration of new weapons can be accomplished in a quick and cost-effective fashion.

Chengdu has schemed a two-seat trainer version that may prove attractive to some customers. It is understood that the project remains an engineering study only for now, and any further development would depend on a customer requirement. Pakistan has no such need for a trainer for the time being, as it has found the JF-17 to be an easy aircraft to fly with an excellent human/machine interface. The development of capable simulators means that the conversion of pilots to the type can be accomplished without the need for a two-seater, even for ab initio pilots flying the JF-17 as their first operational type. However, the future development of a two-seat combat aircraft is a possibility.

Here at Dubai the JF-17 is being displayed daily by Wing Commander Ronald, commander of No. 16 ‘Black Panthers’ Squadron. PAC has sent three aircraft to the show to promote the JF-17 to potential buyers. The company suggests that there is a global requirement to replace up to 4,000 early-generation jet fighters, and it is pitching the JF-17 as a cost-effective aircraft that offers true multi-role capability. PAC reports that 11 countries are showing strong interest in the type.

Thunder Over Dubai As First JF-17 Batch Is Completed | Aviation International News

@Aeronaut @Oscar @fatman17 and others this article is saying Block II will mainly have Air Refueling capability but others things will be not much different from BLOCK I what do you have to say about it

 

[graphican]

VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO - We want video we want video. We have seen enough of snapshots.. bring VIDEO PERFORMANCE now.

 

[Side-Winder]

@Oscar @TaimiKhan | Comments please.

there appears a slight difference looking closely,
also, one is marked with FC-1 and other with 01-102..

is it what block-II is all about?...What you say?

PAF JF-17 Thunder Performing At Dubai Airshow ~ Labour TV

Video of Thunder performance.

o bhaaiii this is from 2011,

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

there appears a slight difference looking closely,
also, one is marked with FC-1 and other with 01-102..

is it what block-II is all about?...What you say?

Front JF-17 Block-1 ... Rare proposed design of JF-17B (twin seater).

 

[GEMINI]

there appears a slight difference looking closely,
also, one is marked with FC-1 and other with 01-102..

is it what block-II is all about?...What you say?



o bhaaiii this is from 2011,

bhai; i made the mistake to trust a video shared on my face book page.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Dillinger]

@Oscar Still no news on the cooling associated issues? Correct me if I am wrong but even the Chinese will use polyalphaolefin, yes? Any idea as to whether there are any complications related to handling PAO coolants?

 

[Gryphon]

DUBAI 2013: AVIC Promotes CM-400AKG Cruise Missile

November 20, 2013

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) JF-17 Thunder 11-135 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’ in the static display at the Dubai Air Show on November 16 with an array of weaponry including, in the foreground, the Chinese CM-400AKG, for which the PAF is the launch customer. AFD-Alan Warnes

CHINA’S AVIC was promoting its new CM-400AKG hypersonic cruise missile this week at the Dubai Air Show. A mock-up of the weapon was displayed alongside the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) JF-17 Thunder in the static display, the PAF being the launch customer for the missile.

Described by the PAF as a ‘carrier killer’, this long-range, Mach 4+ air-to-surface weapon was designed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and its existence was first made public at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai last November.

For the first time, AVIC AHS provided some details of the specifications and performance of the CM-400AKG, through a video playing on the AVIC stand at Dubai this week. AVIC said that the 2,000lb (910kg) weapon, which has a 1ft 3in (0.4m) diameter, has a range of between 54-130nm (100-240km) and can carry either 330lb (150kg) blast or 440lb (200kg) penetration warhead. The video also states that a high-altitude, high-speed launch would normally be used for the missile, with the carrier aircraft flying at Mach 0.7 to 0.9 and an altitude of between 26,200-39,400ft (7,800-12,000m). Unusually for a cruise missile, it will continue to fly at high altitude before making a high-speed dive onto the target. AFD-Dave Allport

The mock-up of the Chinese CM-400AKG hypersonic anti-shipping cruise missile on display in the static park at the Dubai Air Show. AFD-Alan Warnes

DUBAI 2013: AVIC Promotes CM-400AKG Cruise Missile | AirForces Daily

 

[Liquidmetal]

Really pissed of now, no official release of media packages by the PAF or by ISPR. What kind of piss-poor PR is this when you are trying to sell these jets and you cannot bother to use professional media companies to make videos and packages that can be shown on these forums, you-tube, or even on their own web sites. Come on we need more than this, we need proper and up to date media management and marketing.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar Still no news on the cooling associated issues? Correct me if I am wrong but even the Chinese will use polyalphaolefin, yes? Any idea as to whether there are any complications related to handling PAO coolants?

Reliability is one. But as such the cooling associated issue links to the investment in a AESA system. Hence, unless you are willing to invest the money for an AESA only then do you look into PAO or other forms of electro-chemical cooling. When you are short of funds and forgo the AESA itself.. why bother?

 

[Dillinger]

Reliability is one. But as such the cooling associated issue links to the investment in a AESA system. Hence, unless you are willing to invest the money for an AESA only then do you look into PAO or other forms of electro-chemical cooling. When you are short of funds and forgo the AESA itself.. why bother?

Hmm..the JFs don't particularly need an ESA radar, perhaps that's something that can be reserved for the vipers or any other platform that the PAF might acquire in the future. Btw when did the Chinese had over the tactical trainer for the JFTs?

 

[Donatello]

Hmm..the JFs don't particularly need an ESA radar, perhaps that's something that can be reserved for the vipers or any other platform that the PAF might acquire in the future. Btw when did the Chinese had over the tactical trainer for the JFTs?

Actually, it is the JF-17 that needs an ESA radar.

Vipers will have the APG68(9) which is very good and tested in all aspects. PAF cannot integrate a ESA in F-16s, unless it is done through the USA itself, like in the case of UAE F-16s.

Since JF-17 is to form the backbone of PAF, ESA is an important upgrade. Funds, permitting, it would be done.