JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 3]

[gambit]

good luck! with the active cancellation thingy ma jig

No luck required. Active cancellation is achieved by coupling the thingymajig, not to be confused with the older technology thingymabob, with high frequency modulation of the doohickey transducer. The output is then filtered by the whatchamacallit circuit before sending it to the antenna.

 

[Dazzler]

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[Quwa]

We are discussing about the small batch production not the PT version.

Every JF-17 - prototype, sbp and in-squadron - is stationed right now at Kamra...either at Minhas AB or with PAC. This is well known information, in fact more like common sense at this point.

 

[aamerjamal]

@mark sien: aren't they at peshawar base

 

[Dazzler]

A good insight on China, Pakistan's EW capabilities although many are not well known but in the light of this news, we can understand the EW capability of JFT to some extent....

"While undoubtedly a major player in the region, EW provision within China’s People’s
Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) remains as enigmatic as many other aspects of the
People’s Republic’s military. While it is clear that PLAAF FC-1, J-7, J-8, J-10 and J-11 aircraft are all equipped with at least an RWR and a CMDS, trying to pin down the precise nature of such equipment is much harder. This said, AMR believes that most PLAAF EW equipment is produced nationally, with confirmed over time examples including the China
National Electronics Import and Export Corporation’s (CEIEC) GT-1 CMDS; the
Northeast Research Institute of Technology’s (NEIET) SE-2 ultra-violet passive MAW and TM series laser warners and the Southwest China Research Institute of Electronic
Equipment’s (SCRIEE) 2 to 18 GHz band KJ8602/KJ8602A RWRs, 2 to 40 GHz
KJ8602B/KJ8602BC RWRs and 6.5 to 40 GHz band KG300G pod-mounted radar jammer. Of these, the SE-2 has been associated with the FC-1 (designated as the JF-17 in Pakistani service), while usually reliable sources have made mention of a fast-jet radar jammer designated as the RKL-800 and an additional pair of CMDSs designated as the GT-4 and the RKZ-404E. Elsewhere, it is almost certain that
China has exported elements of its indigenous fast-jet EW technology, with nationally produced RWRs and CMDSs being likely to have been sold to Bangladesh (24 F-7BG fighters), Myanmar (60 F-7Ms), Pakistan (120 F-7P/- 7MP) and Sri Lanka (four F-7BS). In addition and as already noted, Pakistan is co-producing the FC-1 as the JF-17 and it is probable that the initial JF-17 production run is being equipped with a percentage of Chinese avionic equipment that may include EW provision. "


http://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/upload/201003140000111.pdf

 

[dbc]

Little off-topic but Why Don't you Have "Military Professional" title under your name,,, I have read your posts on other threads and they are usually technical and knowledgeable

And i didn't get your satire,,, perhaps you could explain it in more detail?

Thanks mafiya!

Active cancellation is far from reality hence the "satire?", see below post as usual Gambit has explained it quite well.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/53000-what-wrong-rafale-2.html#post778438

 

[gambit]

I have heard that on French Rafale there is a system that cancels out the "Lock-on" of enemy aircraft, I wonder if a such system is considerd by Pak and china To integrate on to their JF-17 or J-10

I guess you're referring to spectra's active cancellation tech...well it is included in PAF deal with French....if the deal goes through

Please see this explanation...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/1019767-post14.html

 

[Quwa]

@mark sien: aren't they at peshawar base

No.26 squadron was at Peshawar when it had A-5Cs, but since it converted to JF-17s, the squadron has been in Kamra. Although it is rumoured that the next JF-17 squadron will be at Peshawar.

 

[MastanKhan]

@mark sien: aren't they at peshawar base

Hi,

They are in kamra because they are still going through the 'growing pains'---. Paf has created a FAKE sqdrn---for all practical purposes this sqdrn has to stay at its manufacturing base for issues of integration, technical issues and other unforeseeable problems that only a designing and manufacturing team can cure and fix.

This aircraft has not been certified as of now---it will be in about a couple of years----that is why you see the ground strike sqdrn first---because it is the easiest sqdrn to put in place.

Now---readers---please don't mix it up with lack of quality or lesser capability---it is how things develop.

Every pakistani on this board is happy---almost everyone---paf has pulled a rabbit out of the hat---.

The plane has flown across to a different continent---it has visited the holy ground of new born planes the 'ka'aba' of the aircraft industry---where every new born aircraft wishes to be taken to once in its lifetime at its inception and BOW down to the powers to be.

 

[ironman]

Every JF-17 - prototype, sbp and in-squadron - is stationed right now at Kamra...either at Minhas AB or with PAC. This is well known information, in fact more like common sense at this point.

Thats exactly not my point.. Its about the comment he made.

Small production aircraft do not take part in a full fledge military exercise like Azm-e-Nau..... Anything else you wan to know??

 

[TaimiKhan]

Thats exactly not my point.. Its about the comment he made.

Nabil was right, the SBP were the first 8 JF-17s, which were gotten from 2007 onwards uptill 2008.

After that the contract was signed for 42 JF-17s and the serial production has started.

First Sqd is not composed of SBP aircraft only, rather it has the first 8 SBP plus the aircraft from the regular production.

Mostly the first 10-15 aircraft are called the SBP aircraft, once inducted and sufficient tests conducted, they become part of the Sqd or the air force officially.

So, PAF has now no SBP JF-17s, rather it has officially the first Sqd of JF-17s in operation which have taken part in PAF's largest exercises as well as in operations against the militants.

SBP is always before the official induction.

 

[ironman]

Nabil was right, the SBP were the first 8 JF-17s, which were gotten from 2007 onwards uptill 2008.

After that the contract was signed for 42 JF-17s and the serial production has started.

First Sqd is not composed of SBP aircraft only, rather it has the first 8 SBP plus the aircraft from the regular production.

Mostly the first 10-15 aircraft are called the SBP aircraft, once inducted and sufficient tests conducted, they become part of the Sqd or the air force officially.

So, PAF has now no SBP JF-17s, rather it has officially the first Sqd of JF-17s in operation which have taken part in PAF's largest exercises as well as in operations against the militants.

SBP is always before the official induction.

SBP is not deficient in any aspect compared to a regular production one.

 

[Arsalan]

SBP is not deficient in any aspect compared to a regular production one.

the SBP are in fact meant for evaluation and alternation can be made if required. once the bird is brought up to the required level, it is live a reference sample to be used in production.

the specs of SBP and normal bulk production have no differene at all..

regards!

 

[TaimiKhan]

SBP is not deficient in any aspect compared to a regular production one.

Yes i didn't meant its deficient. But many times the SBP are inducted for further testing also.

In our case we had the 4 SBP by end of 2007 and the rest of the 4 had come by 2008, thus we had the 4-8 SBP JF-17s for over 2 years in testing and evaluation before the final batch of of 42 got into production in the order for first 50. So these 8 went through testing and evaluation and pilot training, once fully done, serial production started with some changes being done as per the results of evaluation of the first 8 SBP. take the example of rumors that first eight would be having the KLJ-7 radar, which will be changed to KLJ-10 radars from the 9th JF-17 onwards, what happened in reality is debatable though.

Take the example of your LCA which i believe is now in LSP and the different aircraft coming out in LSP have some changes compared to their prototypes, even the LSPs have some changes with each other.

Here plz view the variants section at the end of this page and see what the LSPs have difference.

HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So this SBP or LSP is common for further tweaking and evaluation before one final configuration is set and fully tested.

 

[HASANITALIA]

Thrust-to-weight ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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