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But the both ACs are twin engines plz include single engine ACs
JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 2]
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But the both ACs are twin engines plz include single engine ACs
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In the military front, I'm sure all of you have heard about the start of JF-17 production in Pakistan by now. For PLAAF itself, it is really not a big deal, because it doesn't improve PLAAF directly. However, this story is really a huge boost to the Chinese aerospace industry. Back in 1998, Shenyang AC imported the Su-27 production line from Russia and started local production of China's first class of 4th generation fighter. In the beginning, we heard many stories about China struggling to assemble J-11s and required a lot of help from the Russians. I would also read claims on the Chinese side that they really got a very low quality assembly line, which contributed to the initial struggles. Whatever the case maybe, it was clear that the Chinese aerospace industry was nowhere near mature enough to handle mass production of a 4th generation plane. It had no problem churning out J-6s and some problem developing and producing J-7s. And sadly, it could not even produce J-8IIs in large number. Even now, the production rate at Shenyang AC for J-11 and J-8IIs (in previous years) are quite poor. But at the same, we all saw how much the development of J-10s has helped China's entire aerospace industry. The development of JH-7A and mass production of WS-9 is really another stepping stone for the Chinese aerospace industry. K-8 became the first Chinese designed plane to be license produced in another country (Eqypt). Now, JF-17 becomes the first Chinese fighter jet to be license produced in another country. So, this is not only a big day for Pakistani aerospace industry, but also for China. In only 11 years, China has transformed itself from a country that imports assembly line of 4th generation fighters to a country that exports assembly line of 4th generation fighters. Of course, JF-17 is not the fighter jet that Su-27 is, but the avionics/missiles accompanying JF-17's export is in some cases 1 generation ahead of what China imported for Su-27.
If that's not all, there is also rambling on Chinese forums that JF-17 has also been exported to Egypt with license production. If that's the case, then there would be two different countries (both already operating 4th generation jets) importing assembly lines of Chinese fighter jet. So, I think over the past 20 years, China has experienced several major stages with post 2nd-generation fighter jets:"
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In the military front, I'm sure all of you have heard about the start of JF-17 production in Pakistan by now. For PLAAF itself, it is really not a big deal, because it doesn't improve PLAAF directly. However, this story is really a huge boost to the Chinese aerospace industry. Back in 1998, Shenyang AC imported the Su-27 production line from Russia and started local production of China's first class of 4th generation fighter. In the beginning, we heard many stories about China struggling to assemble J-11s and required a lot of help from the Russians. I would also read claims on the Chinese side that they really got a very low quality assembly line, which contributed to the initial struggles. Whatever the case maybe, it was clear that the Chinese aerospace industry was nowhere near mature enough to handle mass production of a 4th generation plane. It had no problem churning out J-6s and some problem developing and producing J-7s. And sadly, it could not even produce J-8IIs in large number. Even now, the production rate at Shenyang AC for J-11 and J-8IIs (in previous years) are quite poor. But at the same, we all saw how much the development of J-10s has helped China's entire aerospace industry. The development of JH-7A and mass production of WS-9 is really another stepping stone for the Chinese aerospace industry. K-8 became the first Chinese designed plane to be license produced in another country (Eqypt). Now, JF-17 becomes the first Chinese fighter jet to be license produced in another country. So, this is not only a big day for Pakistani aerospace industry, but also for China. In only 11 years, China has transformed itself from a country that imports assembly line of 4th generation fighters to a country that exports assembly line of 4th generation fighters. Of course, JF-17 is not the fighter jet that Su-27 is, but the avionics/missiles accompanying JF-17's export is in some cases 1 generation ahead of what China imported for Su-27.
If that's not all, there is also rambling on Chinese forums that JF-17 has also been exported to Egypt with license production. If that's the case, then there would be two different countries (both already operating 4th generation jets) importing assembly lines of Chinese fighter jet. So, I think over the past 20 years, China has experienced several major stages with post 2nd-generation fighter jets:"
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sir ,would pakistan get some kind of money in licencing jf17 to ejypt? also if they think to export it aswell? afterall pak is a 50% share holder
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pakistan will get 50% profit if the rumor come true.....but china have to finish pakistan's contract first......we should stop thinking about exporting JF-17 before stabl WS-10 produced,russia won't let that happen
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yes Russia would not allow JF with russian engine as Egypt is a prospective russian market for Mig-29 SMT/SU-35/Mig-35 aircraft they wont let Thunder spoil their deal
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I believe we have seen articles saying the Russian engine has been aprroved to be exported to 6 countries including Eygpt and Nigeria ... ...???
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071120/88820369.html
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yes indeed!
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well is that comes to be true it will be great! we have been listening to the news of Pakistan and china jointly setting up a group to look after the export orders but at the same time this also remains a fact that before Pakistan gets some 100+ airplanes they wont be looking for other customers. also in the first 100 planes chian will have a role to play so it also seems difficult that they will be able to export them! perhaps we will have to wait for some ,ore time before we become a fighter aircraft exporting nation!
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Can JF-17's ejection seat be as good as the India's Su-30?
Zimbabwe lost 3 F-7s in one day and all 3 pilots ejected safely. JALI ejection seats - not a bad performance.
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FC-1/JF-17 Thunder Dragon/Thunder
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Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,104kg, max speed 1.8M, ceiling 18,000m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,000km, combat radius 1,200km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m). It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33), it might also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. An IFR probe may be installed in the future. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 (or KLJ-10?) PD radar in the first batches of 40-50, and possibly an European radar (e.g. FIAR Grifo S7 or Thales RC400) of slightly better performance in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-9C/AIM-9M/Magic 2) and medium-range AAMs (SD-10/Mica). LGBs and laser designating pod can also be carried for precision strike missions. The development schedule of FC-1 was was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lenghty negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project. The develpment was further accelarated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's techincal specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two samll wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003, carrying two dummy PL-5E AAMs at wingtips. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 Prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertial tailfin which may house ECM equipment. A new FBW system (quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis, duplex analog FBW in roll axis). A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LEX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 8 JF-17s were delivered in March 2008. The agreement to assemble 42 was singed on March 7, 2009. Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka, Azerbaijan and Zimbabwe. A two-seat trainer version and a single-seat ground attack version have been proposed as well. Recent news (October 2008) suggested that PLAAF has decided to acquire some FC-1s (dubbed J-9?) as a low-cost light figher/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s. Currently FC-1 is undergoing various weapon integration tests.
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nice summary !
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Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,104kg, max speed 1.8M, ceiling 18,000m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,000km, combat radius 1,200km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m). It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33), it might also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. An IFR probe may be installed in the future. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 (or KLJ-10?) PD radar in the first batches of 40-50, and possibly an European radar (e.g. FIAR Grifo S7 or Thales RC400) of slightly better performance in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-9C/AIM-9M/Magic 2) and medium-range AAMs (SD-10/Mica). LGBs and laser designating pod can also be carried for precision strike missions. The development schedule of FC-1 was was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lenghty negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project. The develpment was further accelarated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's techincal specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two samll wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003, carrying two dummy PL-5E AAMs at wingtips. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 Prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertial tailfin which may house ECM equipment. A new FBW system (quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis, duplex analog FBW in roll axis). A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LEX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 8 JF-17s were delivered in March 2008. The agreement to assemble 42 was singed on March 7, 2009. Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka, Azerbaijan and Zimbabwe. A two-seat trainer version and a single-seat ground attack version have been proposed as well. Recent news (October 2008) suggested that PLAAF has decided to acquire some FC-1s (dubbed J-9?) as a low-cost light figher/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s. Currently FC-1 is undergoing various weapon integration tests.
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nice summary !
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