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Originally Posted by Muradk
Sorry friend I am not being rude Its just when you don't know don't say it, It just separates you from who you are, We have more than 8 , and PAC will produce more than 6. The 4 you are talking are 5 we already have them 2 are completed 3 are in Phase 6. There are 8 phases the thunder has to goto becoming a complete Fighter, That includes all the avionics, Radar and **** load of stuff Which Pakistan has chosen for its Thunders.


By commonsense whoever reading this can assume pak has already started the production line way before than the official inauguration.
 
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hey people,
i think JF-17 should use this or atleast two pylons for missiles.

like these~~~~~~:smitten:
JF-17 has already being used these kind (pic 1 ,2, 3)
FBC (pic 4, 5)
 

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like these~~~~~~:smitten:
JF-17 has already being used these kind (pic 1 ,2, 3)
FBC (pic 4, 5)

still bombs!
i raised the point for missiles.ur pic 4 n 5 r jh-7s multi pylons.
well jf-17 can load large quantity for multiple bombs.see the pic below.
but still ill ask,does jf17 use multiple paylons for missiles.:undecided:
 

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still bombs!
i raised the point for missiles.ur pic 4 n 5 r jh-7s multi pylons.
well jf-17 can load large quantity for multiple bombs.see the pic below.
but still ill ask,does jf17 use multiple paylons for missiles.:undecided:

The picture you posted is an "official" from one of the exhibitions several months ago. It answers your question = there are no multiple missile pylons for the JF-17, NOT YET ANYWAY!
 
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The picture you posted is an "official" from one of the exhibitions several months ago. It answers your question = there are no multiple missile pylons for the JF-17, NOT YET ANYWAY!

i remeber it bro,u gav it to me.thanx
but can jf-17 use those chinese pylons for jh-7 which i post earlier.
 
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I think thunder can use multiple pylons for missiles if needed, weight of missile is not an issue.

according to wiki SD-10 is of 199kg , 400 kg for two.
thunder can carry 500kg bomb or two 250kg bombs per pylon. it means it can easily carry 400kg of two SD-10s.:enjoy: only remaining issue is their compatibility and development. :undecided:
 
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I think thunder can use multiple pylons for missiles if needed, weight of missile is not an issue.

according to wiki SD-10 is of 199kg , 400 kg for two.
thunder can carry 500kg bomb or two 250kg bombs per pylon. it means it can easily carry 400kg of two SD-10s.:enjoy: only remaining issue is their compatibility and development. :undecided:


JF17 are not currently using multiple rack pylons for missiles. for bombs, yes, it is there with the JF but it will be great if the plane can get missile on these pylons. it may come up in the latter blocks when the PAF will feel that the plane do need more BVR missiles!
it is not as simple as that if ti can carry bombs on these pylons so we can use them for missiles also. the missiles will have to be guided and will require seprate connection for both missiles!
i hope it will come with next block planes!

regards!
 
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JF17 are not currently using multiple rack pylons for missiles. for bombs, yes, it is there with the JF but it will be great if the plane can get missile on these pylons. it may come up in the latter blocks when the PAF will feel that the plane do need more BVR missiles!
it is not as simple as that if ti can carry bombs on these pylons so we can use them for missiles also. the missiles will have to be guided and will require seprate connection for both missiles!
i hope it will come with next block planes!

regards!

I am aware of these technical issues. i was saying that weight of missiles is not an issue. Engine is powerful enough to carry more BVR missiles.
 
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I am aware of these technical issues. i was saying that weight of missiles is not an issue. Engine is powerful enough to carry more BVR missiles.

ok, the engine is capable to do so!
actually i guess you have missed the first part of the discussion. we were trying to figure out that wheter JF will need additional hardpoints or can we get away with just pylons in order to increase the number of BVR the JF carries, in either way it was understood that the engine and weight of missiles wont be an issue!
anyhow, welcome to the forum and enjoy your stay. can you start up from the intro section and go to the thread to let us know something about you!

welcom on board!
regards!
 
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Oops.. He is not an Indian at all. He is from Malaysia. Read this from Muradk.

This was a reply to me by sir murad,and honestly i was expecting a bit more information from him.Well officialy we know that pakistan had 8 thunders by 2008 and would produce 6 by the end of this year. May be sir Murad would like to elaborate his post a bit.
regards.
 
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The FBW in yaw axis was reported by Jane's in one of their articles on the improved PT-04 version of the JF, but the same article also said it would later be upgraded to FBW in all axis.

I like how he KNOWS the PAF have chosen the SELEX Vixen AESA radar, just like he KNOWS the JF-17 has a FBW rudder only.:lol:
Yes I read that too.. Thanks for mentioning it.Here it is
JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - DECEMBER 07, 2005
Sino-Pakistani fighter improved

ROBERT HEWSON Editor, Jane's Air Launched Weapons
Dubai

* The redesigned FC-1 light fighter aircraft is now back in developmental flying

* Pakistan hopes to start building aircraft in 2006

The joint Sino-Pakistani FC-1/JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft has undergone a major redesign, including changes to its air intakes as well as the wing-fuselage join and rear fuselage section. The fourth prototype with the modifications has completed three months of trials.

The Chengdu FC-1, which will also be manufactured by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) as the JF-17, is an export-orientated programme under joint development by the two countries. The fourth prototype (TP4) with new features is well into its test programme while a fifth aircraft is being used for static testing (along with the second prototype).

The PAC is establishing its own facility to build the aircraft and has been importing specialist machine tools from suppliers in Sweden, and elsewhere, to set up a better production line than the one already established at Chengdu. Work on the first PAC aircraft is expected to begin in 2006.

According to a PAC official the original FC-1 design was found to be Mach-limited, forcing a revision of its engine intake design.

The conventional intake with splitter plates found on the first three aircraft has now been replaced with convex diverterless supersonic inlets (DSIs), similar to those found on Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft. The rounded 'bump' of the DSI compresses and redirects the oncoming boundary layer airflow that can otherwise cause airflow disruptions in the engine. The revised FC-1 now has a maximum speed of M1.8, powered by a Russian-built Klimov RD-93 engine.

Along with these major fixes to the inlet design and the surrounding fuselage area has come a redesign of the wing-fuselage join and the rear fuselage section. The FC-1's fin-tip has also gained a new fairing, understood to be an electronic counter- measure housing. It remains to be seen if such changes to the FC-1's design can be easily accommodated.

The FC-1 is planned to be a fully fly-by-wire (FBW) aircraft. However, the flight control system (FCS) has FBW in the yaw axis only, with conventional controls for pitch and roll.

According to the PAC, Pakistani test pilots are flying with the Chinese test team, with FCS development as a major focus. However, PAC officials have also indicated that the current FCS configuration is an optimised low-cost solution and not one that is expected to be revised in the near future.

The PAC said that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) plans to qualify the JF-17 with all current PAF weapons. This increases the possibility that the FC-1/JF-17 will become the first Chinese aircraft to be integrated with US weapons.

At Dubai, FC-1 models were displayed both by CATIC (China National Aero-Technology Import Export Corp) and PAC showing the aircraft armed with short- and medium range air-to-air missiles.

The JF-17 has long been touted as a platform for China's SD-10 active radar beyond-visual-range missile, for which Pakistan is expected to be the launch customer.

The JF-17 may yet find itself armed with a less capable Chinese weapon, such as the semi-active radar homing FD-60 (PL-11), or other weapons sourced away from China entirely.

An initial production contract for 16 aircraft (eight from the Chengdu line, eight from PAC) is expected to be signed in 2006, with deliveries proposed for 2007.(To mean_bird) These aircraft will be used for further test and development flying. Full-rate production, is not expected until the end of the decade.
An old article dated December 2005. It is very much appreciable if you can provide credible source to back your claim of current configuration or atleast the changes have been made in the PT-06 instead of putting smileys.

You do have better knowledge in technical side but where you lack is in the logical part. I too think PAF will chose VIxen 1000. Ask how.. here goes..

Ever played odd man out game in school days? here a similar one.

Current AESA platforms (Please dont say that PAF will not go for AESA).

AN/APG Family.
SABR.
RBE-2.
CAPTOR-E.
SELEX Vixen 500.
SELEX Vixen 1000.
Phazotron NIIR Zhuk-AE.
Elta EL/M-2032 & 2052.
A Chinese variant which still not matured enough.

From the above only few are available in the market for Pakistan and you can see that only Vixen 1000 is technically and strategically viable for PAF. Doodh ka doodh paani ka paani as simple as that.
 
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