JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 2]

[wangrong]

I agree & understood ur point sir, what i am trying to say is that the latest version of JF-17 still have the distinct looking T-shaped antennas, if u see the JF-17 09 pic above and the Prototype PT06, the two antennas which i mentioned are different. Both have antennas on the upper end of the fuselage, both different, while the under nose antenna is also there in both of them but having different shapes.

Two possibilities for FC-1 PT#06：

1、evaluation for PLAAF

2、evaluation for another country(i guess it is Egypt ）——more than 100+ JF17s

 

[fatman17]

Defence

DATE:01/07/09

SOURCE:Flight International

Pakistan begins domestic final assembly of JF-17
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By Siva Govindasamy

Pakistan has begun the final assembly of the first Chengdu Aircraft/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 fighter to be produced in the country, and aims to have the first flight by end-2009.

Islamabad collaborated with China in the design and development, and received its first two JF-17s in March 2007. It has since taken delivery of around a dozen JF-17s, which China has designated as the FC-1, says the Pakistani air force.

While PAC had work-share in the earlier examples and tried some limited assembly at its facilities in Kamra, Chengdu Aircraft was responsible for most of the production. The Pakistani company has now entered the full production phase with the aircraft and aims to deliver four to six JF-17s to the PAF before end-2009.

It then plans to produce 12 aircraft in 2010, 15-16 aircraft annually from 2011, and up to 25 a year eventually, says the service. Under the terms of its contract with Chengdu Aircraft, Pakistan will buy 150 domestically produced JF-17s. This could eventually go up to 300 fighters.

The JF-17s will replace the PAF's ageing fleet of Nanchang A-5s, Chengdu F-7s and Dassault Mirage III and Mirage Vs. The service says that they will be capable of carrying variety of conventional and precision guided bombs, and air-to-air and air-to-sea missiles of both short and beyond visual ranges.

"The weapon carrying capabilities of the aircraft would enable its employment in day and night multi-role tasks on land, sea and air. The aircraft would add to the PAF's operational capability manifold and help retain the much needed balance in air power in the sub-continent," Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, the PAF's chief of air staff, said at the inauguration ceremony.

While the Pakistani-built aircraft will have Chinese components, Islamabad had planned to raise the indigenous content to 60% of the airframe and 80% of the avionics by 2010. It has also been in touch with western radar, avionics, engines and missiles suppliers.

The first 50 JF-17s will be equipped with Chinese KLJ-10 radars and SD-10 and PL-8 missiles. But Pakistan is keen to acquire advanced AESA radars and had contacted France's Thales about its RC400. It also held talks with MBDA about Mica air-to-air missiles. The Klimov RD-93 turbofan will power the aircraft, but Pakistan has been sourcing for an alternative and the Snecma M53-P2 was touted as a possibility.

He said that the JF-17 programme had made "significant progress" towards meeting its twin objectives of strengthening Pakistan's national security and acquiring indigenous capability to manufacture fighter aircraft. He added that Pakistan and China were also hoping to secure third party sales "in big numbers".

Islamabad has also been negotiating the purchase of 36 Chengdu J-10 fighters from China. The aircraft will be designated as the FC-20 in Pakistan, and they will be upgraded versions of the fighter that officially entered into service with the Chinese air force in early 2007. Deliveries to Pakistan are likely to begin from 2014-2015, and the country is unlikely to have any work-share in this programme.

Links posted in this story: Chengdu Aircraft|Chengdu J-10|Dassault Mirage III

 

[Arsalan]

Hi,

I believe that Muradk is extremely correct in his analysis that pak navy must have a sqdrn under its command---as a matter of fact, I would say that they must have at least a sqdrn and a half at the minimum to do their biddings which may further lead to a couple of three dedicated sqdrns for the pak navy alongwith their P 3's.

Once they become a dedicated part of the navy, their camaraderie with their own, would take their abilities to the next level. It would be like a twin brother watching over the shoulder. This experience would free the paf of their naval duties per say---but still keep them involved operationally.

This is a futuristic thinking on his part ( Muradk ) and I believe that pak navy and paf must get together on this subject and find a way to establish the naval air force 'wing'.

now i have to agree with this!
perhaps this will be the best choice for PN and infact for the Pakistan as it will be helpful for both ON and PAF!
regards!

 

[Arsalan]

friend they have been delivered !

yes, that is true!
perhaps the pics are a bit old and from the time when they were in china or perhaps the plane is mistakenly supposed to be flying in china and the pic is from Pakistan, which seem to be unlikely.
i guess it is a case of old pics being pasted now!
all in all, this is with the PAF now!

regards!

 

[wangrong]

yes, that is true!
perhaps the pics are a bit old and from the time when they were in china or perhaps the plane is mistakenly supposed to be flying in china and the pic is from Pakistan, which seem to be unlikely.
i guess it is a case of old pics being pasted now!
all in all, this is with the PAF now!

regards!

Time will prove everything

they are testing in china now

 

[wangrong]

new pic

 

[PAFAce]

Hi,

I believe that Muradk is extremely correct in his analysis that pak navy must have a sqdrn under its command---as a matter of fact, I would say that they must have at least a sqdrn and a half at the minimum to do their biddings which may further lead to a couple of three dedicated sqdrns for the pak navy alongwith their P 3's.

Once they become a dedicated part of the navy, their camaraderie with their own, would take their abilities to the next level. It would be like a twin brother watching over the shoulder. This experience would free the paf of their naval duties per say---but still keep them involved operationally.

This is a futuristic thinking on his part ( Muradk ) and I believe that pak navy and paf must get together on this subject and find a way to establish the naval air force 'wing'.

However, historically speaking, the PAF will be the biggest hurdle in the formation of such a naval aviation wing. It will eat into the PAF's budget, responsibilities and control. You could achieve the same levels of naval support and competency by integrating the three services so that we do not have three separate arms, but one solid body of Armed Forces. In other words, don't go the American way, go the Canadian way, it's much more affordable, practical and doable.

 

[fatman17]

PN naval air arm is a closed case as mentioned in a earlier post!

 

[wangrong]

 

[maverick2009]

The Artcle from By Siva Govindasamy of Flight International is at least Realistic, about Production nos.

Some people have gone WAY OVERBOARD predicting J10 by 2010-2011 AND 150 JF17 by 2015.

I have always pointed out that taking aside your security concerns or obselesance of your fighters it takes an enormous amount of time effort and very serious $$$ to acquire induct and full operationilse 150 combat planes in 10 years let alone 5 or 6.

Those nos

4 This year

12 2010

15 2011 onwards ARE realistic. Realistic in terms of finance pilot training and support infrastucture

ACM in this very magazine said PAF will have 3 SQDS and 50+ planes by 2012-2013...

This article is suggesting the same/ similar. induction programme

And clearly no J10 for at least 5 more years.

 

[wangrong]

ws-13

 

[Tempest II]

ws-13

Thanks wangrong. Now ... ... what does the teaxt below the picture say?

regards.

 

[wangrong]

Thanks wangrong. Now ... ... what does the teaxt below the picture say?

regards.

ws13 is testing

 

[SBD-3]

The first 50 JF-17s will be equipped with Chinese KLJ-10 radars and SD-10 and PL-8 missiles. But Pakistan is keen to acquire advanced AESA radars and had contacted France's Thales about its RC400. It also held talks with MBDA about Mica air-to-air missiles. The Klimov RD-93 turbofan will power the aircraft, but Pakistan has been sourcing for an alternative and the Snecma M53-P2 was touted as a possibility.
Links posted in this story: Chengdu Aircraft|Chengdu J-10|Dassault Mirage III

MICA? why not meteor?

 

[fatman17]

The Artcle from By Siva Govindasamy of Flight International is at least Realistic, about Production nos.

Some people have gone WAY OVERBOARD predicting J10 by 2010-2011 AND 150 JF17 by 2015.

I have always pointed out that taking aside your security concerns or obselesance of your fighters it takes an enormous amount of time effort and very serious $$$ to acquire induct and full operationilse 150 combat planes in 10 years let alone 5 or 6.

Those nos

4 This year

12 2010

15 2011 onwards ARE realistic. Realistic in terms of finance pilot training and support infrastucture

ACM in this very magazine said PAF will have 3 SQDS and 50+ planes by 2012-2013...

This article is suggesting the same/ similar. induction programme

And clearly no J10 for at least 5 more years.

we pakistanis have a tendency for "hyperbola"