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I have question about the future development of JF-17 as a product.
Are there any plans to add stealth characteristics. i.e. a stealth version.
Any other improvements like composite frame to reduce wait and joints.
 
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JF-17 Project and Russian Attitude
May 24, 2007 01:53 PM EST

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25355.html#

Moscow: In an apparent reversal of positions, Moscow may have cleared the re-export of the RD-93 fighter jet engines, which are meant to power the China-Pakistan developed JF-17 Thunder fighter. If correctly understood, a report in the Russian online daily Kommersant would suggest that Russian president Vladimir Putin himself gave the final sanction for the deal.

"President Vladimir Putin personally supervised the deal and inked sanctioning documents, representatives of president's administration specified. The deal was backed up by all parties concerned - Defense Ministry, Federal Industry Agency and Rosoboronexport, which is the state exporter of weapons," the report says.

"This permission will enable the supply of 150 Chinese JF-17 fighter aircrafts to Pakistan, and help implement the contract for the supply of Russian engines worth USD 238 million," the daily said.

What is not clear from the report is whether president Putin "personally supervised" the original deal with China for supply of the engines, or its re-export to Pakistan.

At the start of the year, the Russians had apparently blocked re-export of the engines just ahead of the delivery of the first two aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force. The 'decision' sparked off a certain amount of glee in the national media here. This, in turn, aroused a certain amount of irritation amongst the country's defence observers, who felt there really was no need for India to get into this constant game of one-upmanship with its neighbour.

Militarily the RD-93 engine may not turn out to be a 'force multiplier' of any kind, which makes the reported 'request' by India to Russia to block the transfer, appear all the more strange.

RD-93 engines are a variant of the RD-33 engines, developed to power MiG-29 fighters. The RD-93 has been developed specifically by Klimov to power the JF-17. The Russians have already signed a deal for the manufacture of the series 3 version of the RD-33 engine with Hindutan Aeronautics Limited. The technology transfer could also lead to the local manufacture of the thrust-vectoring version of the engine if the MiG-35 should be selected as the Indian Air Force's MRCA candidate.

It would appear that the whole 'drama' around the blocking of the transfer may well have been stage managed in advance of President Putin's visit to India as the country's chief guest on its Republic Day. This would have created the necessary 'PR vibes' of Russia being an old trusted friend of this country. (See: Sino-Pak JF-17 fighter loses its Thunder, as Russians say Nyet)

Pakistan plans to acquire 150 JF-17s, known in China as Fighter China-1 (FC-1). China has contracted to buy 100 RD-93 engines from Russia for the FC-1, with an option to buy another 400. Now Kommersant, in its report, suggests that the contract may eventually be enlarged to 1,000 engines, and be worth up to $3.75 billion.

The FC-1 'Xiaolong' is a single-seat, single-engine, multi-role fighter aircraft developed by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAC) for the export market. A joint venture between CAC and Pakistani Aeronautical Complex (PAC) the aircraft has been designated as the Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder in the Pakistani Air Force.

According to the report, under a Sino-Russian Fighter Assembly Agreement, the fighter can be exported to a range of other countries in South-East Asia and in Africa, where "China has been traditionally strong". The range of countries includes Pakistan.

Quoting official sources, the report says that Kremlin officials however clarified that "the sanction doesn't mean adding Pakistan to the list of states of direct military and technical cooperation with Russia. It is rather the matter of a single contract."

This article summarize engine issues of JF-17.
 
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http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?179159

Friday May 25, 2007
In his address, foreign minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri metioned:
The foreign minister said JF-17 Thunder fighter jets a joint Sino-Pak production will be backbone of Pakistani Air Force, as these are better then F-16s. We are also trying to get hold of more advanced and better fighter planes.
I'm sure he definately got this information from PAF.

Can any one from PAF background can describe the anylisis of JF-17's flight performance, specially described by the test pilots. Please...
 
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Aslam O Alikum friends. how are you.
Dear if you want jf 17 full detale then you should visit that web
www.pac.org.pk :china: :pakistan: :china: :pakistan: :smitten: :smitten: :welcome:
 
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Aslam O Alikum friends. how are you.
Dear if you want jf 17 full detale then you should visit that web
www.pac.org.pk ::[/QUOTE] the s...fo. sinodefence may provide the updated info.
 
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Originally Posted by malik ateeq
Aslam O Alikum friends. how are you.
Dear if you want jf 17 full detale then you should visit that web
www.pac.org.pk[/quote] My friend w...ecause this is pakistan we are talking about.
 
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Every thing is not for the public some time ... Many things must be hidden from the PUBLIC .. always.
 
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why must they be hidden from public? if you are developing these weapons to protect your so called public then they have a right to know, is pakistan not a country for its people? oh sorry i forgot its not its for the military they are the public, the president the army the navy etc etc.
 
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why must they be hidden from public?
Normally, you should read the thread and ask specific questions, than some one will help you.
if you are developing these weapons to protect your so called public then they have a right to know,
How much more you want to know and why are chinese not complaining as they have equal share in development. :undecided:
is pakistan not a country for its people? oh sorry i forgot its not its for the military they are the public, the president the army the navy etc etc.
Why are you embeding your propaganda in every thread (this reminds me of one member.)
 
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My friend what year are you living in, pac never has been updated the literature that is currently on it is a good few years old. Jf17 details are very hard to find and most are just specualtions to its abilities etc. Noone has true knowledge of its actual feautures, which is a shame as this program is a public program and public has every right to know what their country is developing. But that is is something impossible because this is pakistan we are talking about.

A stable media is required so that it reports more on the project, and therfore the people are more aware, the project kicked off in 1992 and in the 90s there was prior discussion about another Joint venture. Since then no body knew about the existence of such project to the wider public it is partially media's fault not reporting about the project, and then it is also the Chinese who were partners with Pakistan, the Chinese have state controlled television therefore they would probably not like any forign journalist in there country.

About 2000 and 2001 the project got high lighted because they then tested the plane after that there was still more information about the project, and as the test increased the plane was made more aware to the public.
 
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why must they be hidden from public? if you are developing these weapons to protect your so called public then they have a right to know, is pakistan not a country for its people? oh sorry i forgot its not its for the military they are the public, the president the army the navy etc etc.

there are countless reasons when you are building a weapon you dont want to disclose any Info. And why are you so angry, Remember because of these wepons you go to bed as a Pakistani and wakeup as a pakistani. I wish we had some one alive to tell us that one day they slept as free indians and the next morning they woke up and India was under the British rule.
 
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