JF-17 is now Battle Tested (Air to Air & Air to Ground)

[55100864]

congrats! any AWACS used in this operation?

 

[crankthatskunk]

But the Block III can be molded and shaped based on the recent real world experience

I am sure those who need to are already looking in to it.

 

[PakAlp]

Great kill for Paf.
Paf will take this experience and make block 3 more deadly.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What an irony, the same indians who used to refer to Thunders as migs, got their behinds handed to them by the same 3rd gen 1960's all metal no fiber plane.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

When Allah-u Azimushshan opens a door it can't be closed; when HE closes a door it can't be opened....

As if JF-17 is like the Staff of Hazret-i Musa (PBUH)!!!! With HIS PERMISSION, it becomes like the snake to eat up all the illusive snakes of the Firaun's magicians....

La Galibe Illallah...

We are honored and blessed by Allah no doubt. All thank is to HIM.

@Topic though not a good time to answer it yet. We should wait for details in time. Im sure if it is true. Thunders will get a good reputation.

Time will tell in a few days.

 

[macnurv]

Great kill for Paf.
Paf will take this experience and make block 3 more deadly.

Indians seem to suffer from one of the biggest delusions in modern history. They not only believed in their hubris but underestimate Pakistan to no limits. Their so called state of the art airforce not only 2 jets but 3 pilots.
General Indian population being this dumb is understandable, but whats surprising that Indian generals and policy makers believed same nonsense and thought Pakistan will roll over and die. The planners had a really painful reality check after yesterday. Still want more, come get some.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The event of the last two days have shown the PAF is the tip of the spear of the Pakistan Armed Forces. The JF-17 with 15 years of operational experience is now getting a chance to prove itself. Reports state the JF-17 has fired BVR missiles and carried out air strikes.

Can the JF-17 Block II now be considered a full spectrum battle tested fighter? (beyond its counter insurgency operations)

This experience of the last 48-72 hours can help refine the JF-17 Block III design, although this standoff episode is not over yet. The amount of Stealth Shaping, EW equipement, the need for an IRST or not, The need for improved Missiles/PGMs and in which way, if the plane's size needs to be increased based on the profile of real world CAP missions carried out, if the design should be increased by 25% like @MastanKhan states; should the engine be switched to the WS-10/WS-15 class... evolving into a more potent design, to the point that it can counter the Su-30MKI, Rafale, and F-16 Block 70/F-21 on its own, and Pakistan can afford to retire the F-16 once and for all etc.



BTW, any word on this "unnamed BVR missile" recently test fired by the PAF?

https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/has...ii-fighter-jet-engaged-in-its-first-dogfight/

Reports of the US wary of Pakistan's use of the F-16 in the current standoff may see the Russians suspend future sale of RD-93 Engines if large future Indian deals are signed. The PAF may need to request use of the WS-13 Engine on the Block III despite it shortcomings. Another realization is that China will not intervene at the current level, but if things escalate would China shift Fighter/bombers to its air bases in Sichuan, Tibet and Xinjiang. Does the current standoff not give them a good chance to fly along the borders with spy planes and soak up as much data for refining equipment (like the JF-17) and techniques.

The Indian Adventurism has given the PAF a real world exercise to refine itself, while their Tejas sits on the sidelines.

The WS-13 has almost reached the maturity level of the WS-10, and its specs are slightly ahead to the RD-93, so it is time for the PAF should start to put its trust on this engine.

 

[FuturePAF]

The WS-13 has almost reached the maturity level of the WS-10, and its specs are slightly ahead to the RD-93, so it is time for the PAF should start to put its trust on this engine.

Agreed. Operational use and extensive field testing will also flush out any unforeseen issues. Some aircraft maybe lost, but PAF will more quickly reach a more reliable engine, from a more reliable supplier, as soon as possible. Use on the JF-17 can be PAF's contribution to Project AZM; field testing WS-13, as it is also slated for use on the J-31.

The source of supplier reduced to just China and Pakistan will also help JF-17's export prospects, now that the plane is Battle Tested.

 

[PakAlp]

The WS-13 has almost reached the maturity level of the WS-10, and its specs are slightly ahead to the RD-93, so it is time for the PAF should start to put its trust on this engine.

Really hope so, it's been a long wait for Chinese jet engines

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Agreed. Operational use and extensive field testing will also flush out any unforeseen issues. Some aircraft maybe lost, but PAF will more quickly reach a more reliable engine, from a more reliable supplier, as soon as possible. Use on the JF-17 can be PAF's contribution to Project AZM; field testing WS-13, as it is also slated for use on the J-31.

The WS-13 was extensively tested on the J-31, and compared to the RD-93, it has practically no smoke, so its internal combustion is more smooth in comparison.

 

[FuturePAF]

The WS-13 was extensively tested on the J-31, and compared to the RD-93, it has practically no smoke, so its internal combustion is more smooth in comparison.

What about Engine life (MTBU), Thrust, Fuel consumption, and cost?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Really hope so, it's been a long wait for Chinese jet engines

Last time, China had given the option to the PAF for switching the RD-93 for the WS-13.

But the PAF decided to stay with the RD-93 in belief that this engine is older therefore more 'mature'.

 

[PakAlp]

The WS-13 was extensively tested on the J-31, and compared to the RD-93, it has practically no smoke, so its internal combustion is more smooth in comparison.

Wasn't WS13 the engine that failed to satisfy the PLA back 8 years ago?

 

[Signalian]

If Block -I or -II are creating headache for IAF, one can imagine Block-III will give true nightmares. Block -III will also be the first aircraft to carry an AESA radar if IAF doesn't have it on Tejas already and Rafale is still not inducted.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What about Engine life (MTBU), Thrust, Fuel consumption, and cost?

The thrust is definitely ahead of the RD-93.

The MTBU and fuel consumption have not been revealed yet, but considering the smokeless performance, you can expect it should be more optimized in these field.

Finally about the cost, considering that China has managed to mass produce the WS-10, so mass producing the WS-13 for the Block III should considerably cut down the cost as well.