JF-17 Block III Multirole Fighter

[Dazzler]

Where does pakistan stand in the composite materials field? Has the industry taken root now? I remember some years back an exhibition was held in karachi to promote this industry. Did it bear any fruit? @Arsalan

No it didnt, unfortunately, KAMRA found the art of making composites extremely complex. Hence, they are shutting composite manufacturing facilities and selling CNC machines and infrastructure as scrap. A request has been sent to the Italians to take back all Falco UAVs and undo the composite manufacturing expertise. Moreover, no composite manufacturing will ever be undertaken as it is now declared as an impossible science by military establishment.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

There are some good facilities for production of the composite materials though their volume is not at the level to export but sufficient to meet their own demand because they use it mostly in their products for the defence forces but they have mastered the technology and the quality is right on par with any international manufacturer in the military industry. I have the honour of visiting some of them and saw people working there and it was before 2008 so 9 years later I can expect only betterment both in quality and quantity...

That is why Pakistan has been so successful in making UAVs and even UCAVs while india has failed miserably and relies on israel and other countries despite its large budget.

I think composites manufacturing - and to an extent even R&D - would be pushed into a higher gear when PAC AvDI's next-gen fighter program is in full-swing. There's a strong emphasis on the PAF's part to localize the supply channel for the next-gen fighter and critically minimize reliance on imports.

 

[Arsalan]

Where does pakistan stand in the composite materials field? Has the industry taken root now? I remember some years back an exhibition was held in karachi to promote this industry. Did it bear any fruit? @Arsalan

We are doing OK in that department and air forces is going to see more and more of it in coming years. Even currently there is decent work being dine at Kamra plus there are a few other facilities as well. We can say that we started moving in the right direction and at a good pace when it comes to composite materials, the indigenous UAV programs are just one example of that.

 

[raahaat7]

Which expo was that? You retard indian troll

@mods please check his IP and false representation of Pakistan

Calm down bro. Your tirade was totally unprovoked and uncalled for. I m here to seek some knowledge. And my posts in no way pose any threat to anyone or ridicule any institution. I m pained by your behaviour.
Here is what i was refering to:
http://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-composites-related-developments.267899/

There are some good facilities for production of the composite materials though their volume is not at the level to export but sufficient to meet their own demand because they use it mostly in their products for the defence forces but they have mastered the technology and the quality is right on par with any international manufacturer in the military industry. I have the honour of visiting some of them and saw people working there and it was before 2008 so 9 years later I can expect only betterment both in quality and quantity...

That is why Pakistan has been so successful in making UAVs and even UCAVs while india has failed miserably and relies on israel and other countries despite its large budget.

Good to know that.

No it didnt, unfortunately, KAMRA found the art of making composites extremely complex. Hence, they are shutting composite manufacturing facilities and selling CNC machines and infrastructure as scrap. A request has been sent to the Italians to take back all Falco UAVs and undo the composite manufacturing expertise. Moreover, no composite manufacturing will ever be undertaken as it is now declared as an impossible science by military establishment.

Taking sarcasm to a higher level!

I think composites manufacturing - and to an extent even R&D - would be pushed into a higher gear when PAC AvDI's next-gen fighter program is in full-swing. There's a strong emphasis on the PAF's part to localize the supply channel for the next-gen fighter and critically minimize reliance on imports.

Thanx bilal sir.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It is time that we heard about the Next Fighter Jet platform ...time is ripe , just after Block 3 is completed

 

[war&peace]

No it didnt, unfortunately, KAMRA found the art of making composites extremely complex. Hence, they are shutting composite manufacturing facilities and selling CNC machines and infrastructure as scrap. A request has been sent to the Italians to take back all Falco UAVs and undo the composite manufacturing expertise. Moreover, no composite manufacturing will ever be undertaken as it is now declared as an impossible science by military establishment.

Are you serious? or mate you are being sarcastic?
How come they can declare it "an impossible science" while it is already an established field around the globe and a variety of composite materials exist including the glass reinforced plastics which are so common that every home has a few items made of it e.g. bath tub or swimming, and other structural elements like pergolas, canopies, and shades.

Kamra may have the facility but the best human resource working in this field is employed by some other R&D organizations that are located not far from Kamra.

So if Kamra cannot handle it, they should hand over to other organizations with expertise in this field.

 

[Dazzler]

Are you serious? or mate you are being sarcastic?
How come they can declare it "an impossible science" while it is already an established field around the globe and a variety of composite materials exist including the glass reinforced plastics which are so common that every home has a few items made of it e.g. bath tub or swimming, and other structural elements like pergolas, canopies, and shades.

Kamra may have the facility but the best human resource working in this field is employed by some other R&D organizations that are located far from Kamra.

So if Kamra cannot handle it, they should hand over to other organizations with expertise in this field.

Ever heard of sarcasm?

 

[war&peace]

Ever heard of sarcasm?

Oh no!!! never. What is it? Is it a cow with five horns?
Please enlighten us...

 

[raahaat7]

It is time that we heard about the Next Fighter Jet platform ...time is ripe , just after Block 3 is completed

Shouldnt we move up a notch to MCA now. But that will need a lot of new investment.

 

[khanasifm]

Even fibreglass is in the category of composites

Per paf history book falco program introduces composites and Turkish anka I think gets some parts from PAC

 

[Fledgingwings]

When is Block3 expected to hit the air?

 

[Dazzler]

Oh no!!! never. What is it? Is it a cow with five horns?
Please enlighten us...

Nope, just three.

Where does pakistan stand in the composite materials field? Has the industry taken root now? I remember some years back an exhibition was held in karachi to promote this industry. Did it bear any fruit? @Arsalan

yes, it did..

Keeping abreast with the evolving trends in aviation, AMF decided to venture in manufacturing of unmanned aerial vehicles through the latest carbon composite material. PAF after a comprehensive operational & technical evaluation process decided for establishment of FALCO UAV manufacturing facility at AMF. During the first phase, eight FALCO UAVs were received in form of semi-assembled kits . The Final assembly and system integration of these UAVs was successfully accomplished at AMF PAC Kamra under the supervision of OEM in 2007-2008 timeframe. During the same time period, state of the art equipment was also purchased to start co-production activities. After commissioning of the equipment and training on parts manufacturing, the newly established manufacturing facility was qualified by OEM to manufacture FALCO UAVs on European Quality Standards.

An aviation industry is considered at its pinnacle when it has the capability of manufacturing a modern fighter aircraft. Today, AMF has complete infrastructure, core capabilities and state of the art technologies for manufacturing of JF-17 aircraft. Machining centre for production of aircraft parts is equipped with state of the art conventional and CNC machines. Parts with relatively lesser accuracies are manufactured on conventional machines whereas complex parts involving higher accuracies and profiles described by higher order polynomials are manufactured utilizing CNC machines, integrated with Computer Aided Design and Computer Aided Manufacturing Systems.

 

[raahaat7]

Ok thanx. But it shall b satsfyng only wen d prvt sector gains critical mass.

Keeping abreast with the evolving trends in aviation, AMF decided to venture in manufacturing of unmanned aerial vehicles through the latest carbon composite material. PAF after a comprehensive operational & technical evaluation process decided for establishment of FALCO UAV manufacturing facility at AMF. During the first phase, eight FALCO UAVs were received in form of semi-assembled kits . The Final assembly and system integration of these UAVs was successfully accomplished at AMF PAC Kamra under the supervision of OEM in 2007-2008 timeframe. During the same time period, state of the art equipment was also purchased to start co-production activities. After commissioning of the equipment and training on parts manufacturing, the newly established manufacturing facility was qualified by OEM to manufacture FALCO UAVs

 

[war&peace]

Ok thanx. But it shall b satsfyng only wen d prvt sector gains critical mass.

Yes, now it is time for the private sector to step in. Pakistan needs a large industrial base especially highly skilled vendors that follow the highest quality standards by milspecs for the production of the aerospace grade material and manufacturing processes before it can start work on the fifth gen: A/C since the details and dimensions demand exacting accuracy and precision that is beyond the scope of any production facility that is geared towards 4th gen A/Cs only.

 

[raahaat7]

Yes, now it is time for the private sector to step in. Pakistan needs a large industrial base especially highly skilled vendors that follow the highest quality standards by milspecs for the production of the aerospace grade material and manufacturing processes before it can start work on the fifth gen: A/C since the details and dimensions demand exacting accuracy and precision that is beyond the scope of any production facility that is geared towards 4th gen A/Cs only.

Exactly. U see the best thing about indigenisation of the military hardware is the spin offs that it offers to the civilian sector viz plastics, polymers, alloys, composites and what not. Same is the case with space tech . So next decade is going to see many new industries coming up in pakistan, thax to the jft and the slv programme. There will also be a quantum leap in the quality of products, plastics for example. So better things ahead!