JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[jupiter2007]

We need to replace 100+ planes in next 5 years, How many Block3 are we building in next 3 years?

Year 2021 =
Year 2022 =
Year 2023 =

 

[jupiter2007]

They'll probably continue flying the JF-17 well past the 20-year mark. We can keep the F-7Ps and Mirages up, so I don't think PAC will have trouble with the JF-17.

I guess the Chinese are offering the PAF a net-new capability through the J-10CE. It could be a VLRAAM (e.g., PL-15), or something else, but I'd wager that is the reason why the PAF would be interested.

However, if the PAF acquires the J-10CE, it wouldn't be to plug a short-term need. Pakistan can't afford to think along those lines.

The J-10CE would fit into the PAF's long-term needs, e.g., complement the NGFA. The PAF could use the J-10CE and NGFA together for offensive operations, while the JF-17 is the main defensive asset.

If Pakistan does go for J-10CE, it would make sense to have total 72 (36 + 36 locally build).

 

[Ark_Angel]

If Pakistan does go for J-10CE, it would make sense to have total 72 (36 + 36 locally build).

No local build. Off the shelf only. Probably a few years down the line an overhaul facility only and that too is TBD.

 

[Path-Finder]

A reduced RCS JF-17 (from technologies being developed for Project AZM) and adding all the EW equipment that can be added is probably what the PAF will do. The Swedish model.

EW Sub-systems and munitions maybe what they will work on to keep the JF-17 competitive, like the SAAB lightweight air launch decoy. An intelligent swarm of these could help overwhelm enemy air defenses and even 4.5 Gen fighter sensors until the JF-17 is close enough to launch its weapons.

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Adding layers of defense, similar to what is being done for the Eurofighter

Also, it’s possible with the large electrical capabilities of the J-10; perhaps it will carry more power dedicated EW pods on the wing tips and under the wings; akin to the J-16.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0h8sR5CgtJo/VndqEEFf40I/AAAAAAAANrU/cqhYfiC78aQ/s1600/J-16D_pod.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8bYeKysMiyM/Vnh7zPQdFyI/AAAAAAAANsY/P3IjhBfi79U/s1600/J-16D2.jpg

and perhaps PL-20 to take on enemy AWACS, tankers, and unsuspecting Su-30MKI far away and forming up.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UnqjDWNhk8A/WDHDs-oHcwI/AAAAAAAARB4/7tyfZbLWIukfh6_zWyFxjdSYCG5koIgMQCPcB/s1600/J-16_PL-15.jpg

ALCM can be used for this role!

 

[Khan vilatey]

We need to replace 100+ planes in next 5 years, How many Block3 are we building in next 3 years?

Pakistani production capacity seems to be 25 / year

so

Year 2021 = 25
Year 2022 = 25 ( as 50 were ordered)
Year 2023 = block 4 - 25

the production capacity is based on 8+14 jf-17 b + NAF 3 Jf-17 block II = 25 aircraft delivered this year with covid

so our capacity may well be 30 aircraft a year or two squadrons a year

k

 

[jupiter2007]

Pakistani production capacity seems to be 25 / year

so

Year 2021 = 25
Year 2022 = 25 ( as 50 were ordered)
Year 2023 = block 4 - 25

the production capacity is based on 8+14 jf-17 b + NAF 3 Jf-17 block II = 25 aircraft delivered this year with covid

so our capacity may well be 30 aircraft a year or two squadrons a year

k

Were did you get 25 per year?

 

[Trango Towers]

The best just got better

Dual racks amazing

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

We need to replace 100+ planes in next 5 years, How many Block3 are we building in next 3 years?

Year 2021 =
Year 2022 =
Year 2023 =

As confirmed by the Air Marshall:

2020: 2
2021: 12
2022: 12
2023: 12
2024: 12

JF-17 Thunder – Lightning Strikes Twice | AIN

The JF-17 is playing a significant role in Pakistan's air defense.

www.ainonline.com

 

[jupiter2007]

As confirmed by the Air Marshall:

2020: 2
2021: 12
2022: 12
2023: 12
2024: 12

JF-17 Thunder – Lightning Strikes Twice | AIN

The JF-17 is playing a significant role in Pakistan's air defense.

www.ainonline.com

I thought it was between 12 - 16.

Some people are saying that it's 25 per year.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I thought it was between 12 - 16.

Some people are saying that it's 25 per year.

No such thing. The following table does not include prototypes, 3 produced for NAF and also only includes 5 for MAF.

Year​	Produced​	Year​	Produced​	Year​	Produced​	Year​	Produced​	Year​	Produced​
2007​	5​	2008​	3​	2009​	4​	2010​	16​	2011​	8​
2012​	6​	2013​	8​	2014​	0​	2015​	11​	2016​	23​
2017​	20-22​	2018​	6-8​	2019​	14-19​	2020​	14​

For 2017, 2018 and 2019, not all aircraft serial numbers have been publically identified yet, hence unable to confirm what year they fall in.

 

[ziaulislam]

Never understood the 12/yr production reason
PAF should up the number production

Simply for for 300 jf17 in long run with the last 50 retiring the first 50

Go at 25/year and then drop to minimum rate of 8/yr when 250 is acheived.

This can push production till 2030 around which u can start on 5th gen

Rate of 12 yr is lower then before

 

[araz]

Pakistani production capacity seems to be 25 / year

so

Year 2021 = 25
Year 2022 = 25 ( as 50 were ordered)
Year 2023 = block 4 - 25

the production capacity is based on 8+14 jf-17 b + NAF 3 Jf-17 block II = 25 aircraft delivered this year with covid

so our capacity may well be 30 aircraft a year or two squadrons a year

k

If block 3 development plan was anything to go by block 4 will be sometimes in 2026. It will depend on what changes/upgrades are brought into it but that would be the leasg expected timeline. The interesting thing is will PAC/PAF ztop at 50 block3s or build more. Current projected rate of block 3 production is 12/year.
A

 

[imadul]

The JF-17 Block III is probably more advanced in the JF-17 family. But honestly, this comparison with Rafale is quite the jokes. Rafale is another class of its own, it is called an omnirole fighter for a reason.

You have to give specific comparisons at specs level but even that will not be a true combat comparison. In the BVR age success will be if one can hit an available RCS with longest range.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Were did you get 25 per year?

I was wrong bro, apologies 8 were delivered in dec 2019 14 in dec 2020 + 3 NAF jets

k

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Pakistani production capacity seems to be 25 / year

so

Year 2021 = 25
Year 2022 = 25 ( as 50 were ordered)
Year 2023 = block 4 - 25

the production capacity is based on 8+14 jf-17 b + NAF 3 Jf-17 block II = 25 aircraft delivered this year with covid

so our capacity may well be 30 aircraft a year or two squadrons a year

k

Where do get the rate of 25/year, we are producing block-2 16 per year???