JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

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[ziaulislam]

guys relax first pics and vids of block-3 will be available on 6sep 2021 when our media monkeys will visit kamra and ask stupid questions from PAF officials

or march 2021..though march is being too optimistic

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Once a missile is fired the enemy aircraft will know that a missile has been fired and it will have to go defensive as they can't risk it hence will give our pilots some seconds to decide what to do while enemy pilots will be busy defending a mach 4 missile headed toward them it's an edge ............. and I read somewhere that the radar range depends on the power the engine can provide it was here on the forum modern avionics are power hungry that's why MA version was chosen..... PL 15 uses dual pulse rocket motor and special propellant to increase range so 150km is no big deal....

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PL-15 will not fires at its extreme/max range because enemy fighter jets have more chance of dodging/ evading any BVR because of their will be no/minimal NEZ (No Escape Zone)

And it viable only for avionics, not for AESA, and how its possible without the increasing T/R modules on AESA it will be increase from giving more power from engine to AESA, i don't understand this weird/stupid logic???

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Go back to school!

were i am wrong sir???

 

[Raider 21]

Who knows that the last publicly displayed flight was conducted for finalized product.



I said it couple of years ago, can't remember correctly, Pakistan Armed Forces will follow path of secrecy like skunkworks. Doors, windows and even visitors; are shut to see or hear anything at all unless done.

And I hope the latter is true. As I read some time back that the PAF "test" pilots did their job and assignments by flying 5 FCFs and that completion of those without major issues meant flight testing for the aircraft was complete. We found that weird but if there is further secrecy then that's good on their part.

A similar approach would be the 6th generation aircraft USAF test flew not too long ago

 

[FuturePAF]

Any indications if the design of the JF-17 Block 3 has been modified, now that the RD-93MA is expected to be the engine it uses, to use the DSI intake similar to the J-20; allowing the plane to go faster and possibly higher?

The ability to fly higher and faster should allow the plane to give its missiles a speed boost, as well as extend the horizon for the planes sensors.

The lighter air frame and higher thrust of the engine should allow for a better TWR ratio.

With the higher thrust engine and lower air frame weight due to higher use of composites, the next air show demonstration could be really impressive. If TWR is greater than 1:1, incorporate vertical climbs should allay any gears the plane is underpowered. Hopefully in this regard it will be more than a match for the F-16.

 

[m52k85]

PL-15 will not fires at its extreme/max range because enemy fighter jets have more chance of dodging/

Not if the objective is to have the enemy turn around, like defending an AWACS.

 

[Aryeih Leib]

Will blk 3 be able to carry raad Alcm ?

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

PL-15 will not fires at its extreme/max range because enemy fighter jets have more chance of dodging/ evading any BVR because of their will be no/minimal NEZ (No Escape Zone)

And it viable only for avionics, not for AESA, and how its possible without the increasing T/R modules on AESA it will be increase from giving more power from engine to AESA, i don't understand this weird/stupid logic???
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What stupid logic is this not all missiles are fired within the NEZ because it is small 30 to 40km max after that missile starts slowing down if it's not a dual pulse rocket motor...... let's suppose a JF 17 is facing a mig 29 with SD10A according to your logic he fires his SD 10A within NEZ less than 40km now the problem is the mig29 also has R77 with a NEZ as well he also fires then both will be killed...... so sometime missiles are fired at Rmax to put the enemy on defensive.. on feb 27 su 30mki was dodging missiles that were fired at Rmax that's why they couldn't get close to our formation or if our pilots had waited for it to be in NEZ of 30 to 40km then su 30 would also have fired because R77 has 80 90km range ...... look man the more TR modules the more power it needs to run the radar at max performance that's why new engine was chosen or else RD93 would have been enough PAF is happy with it ..... MA provides more power to run all the new electronics and AESA radar .....

 

[White and Green with M/S]

PL-15 will not fires at its extreme/max range because enemy fighter jets have more chance of dodging/ evading any BVR because of their will be no/minimal NEZ (No Escape Zone)

And it viable only for avionics, not for AESA, and how its possible without the increasing T/R modules on AESA it will be increase from giving more power from engine to AESA, i don't understand this weird/stupid logic???

What stupid logic is this not all missiles are fired within the NEZ because it is small 30 to 40km max after that missile starts slowing down if it's not a dual pulse rocket motor...... let's suppose a JF 17 is facing a mig 29 with SD10A according to your logic he fires his SD 10A within NEZ less than 40km now the problem is the mig29 also has R77 with a NEZ as well he also fires then both will be killed...... so sometime missiles are fired at Rmax to put the enemy on defensive.. on feb 27 su 30mki was dodging missiles that were fired at Rmax that's why they couldn't get close to our formation or if our pilots had waited for it to be in NEZ of 30 to 40km then su 30 would also have fired because R77 has 80 90km range ...... look man the more TR modules the more power it needs to run the radar at max performance that's why new engine was chosen or else RD93 would have been enough PAF is happy with it ..... MA provides more power to run all the new electronics and AESA radar .....
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All in all Dual pulse rocket motors is not magical or new technologies this tech is from 60s, and you're looking to inspired Indian version of the Incident they claim 6-8 AMRAAM fired at various IAF targets and MKI DODGED IT as per PAF they fired only 2 AMRAAM both hit their targets, and if you want kill a target more than 50% you must fires BVR at NEZ

And as for your RD-93 and AESA issue you're contradict yourself, Its to Increase its performance not RANGE, and every fighter jets in the world have a difficulty to detect the enemy with its radar MAX RANGE, whether its F-22 or JFT

 

[abdulbarijan]

PL-15 will not fires at its extreme/max range because enemy fighter jets have more chance of dodging/ evading any BVR because of their will be no/minimal NEZ (No Escape Zone)

Not necessarily ... Refer back to the AMRAAM shot taken by the Viper on 27th of feb, 2019.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Not necessarily ... Refer back to the AMRAAM shot taken by the Viper on 27th of feb, 2019.

And how do we know sir that it will not fired in the NEZ sir

 

[Mrc]

What stupid logic is this not all missiles are fired within the NEZ because it is small 30 to 40km max after that missile starts slowing down if it's not a dual pulse rocket motor...... let's suppose a JF 17 is facing a mig 29 with SD10A according to your logic he fires his SD 10A within NEZ less than 40km now the problem is the mig29 also has R77 with a NEZ as well he also fires then both will be killed...... so sometime missiles are fired at Rmax to put the enemy on defensive.. on feb 27 su 30mki was dodging missiles that were fired at Rmax that's why they couldn't get close to our formation or if our pilots had waited for it to be in NEZ of 30 to 40km then su 30 would also have fired because R77 has 80 90km range ...... look man the more TR modules the more power it needs to run the radar at max performance that's why new engine was chosen or else RD93 would have been enough PAF is happy with it ..... MA provides more power to run all the new electronics and AESA radar .....

All in all Dual pulse rocket motors is not magical or new technologies this tech is from 60s, and you're looking to inspired Indian version of the Incident they claim 6-8 AMRAAM fired at various IAF targets and MKI DODGED IT as per PAF they fired only 2 AMRAAM both hit their targets, and if you want kill a target more than 50% you must fires BVR at NEZ

And as for your RD-93 and AESA issue you're contradict yourself, Its to Increase its performance not RANGE, and every fighter jets in the world have a difficulty to detect the enemy with its radar MAX RANGE, whether its F-22 or JFT
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Why they never found wreckage of those 6 amraams they supposedly dodged?

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

What stupid logic is this not all missiles are fired within the NEZ because it is small 30 to 40km max after that missile starts slowing down if it's not a dual pulse rocket motor...... let's suppose a JF 17 is facing a mig 29 with SD10A according to your logic he fires his SD 10A within NEZ less than 40km now the problem is the mig29 also has R77 with a NEZ as well he also fires then both will be killed...... so sometime missiles are fired at Rmax to put the enemy on defensive.. on feb 27 su 30mki was dodging missiles that were fired at Rmax that's why they couldn't get close to our formation or if our pilots had waited for it to be in NEZ of 30 to 40km then su 30 would also have fired because R77 has 80 90km range ...... look man the more TR modules the more power it needs to run the radar at max performance that's why new engine was chosen or else RD93 would have been enough PAF is happy with it ..... MA provides more power to run all the new electronics and AESA radar .....

All in all Dual pulse rocket motors is not magical or new technologies this tech is from 60s, and you're looking to inspired Indian version of the Incident they claim 6-8 AMRAAM fired at various IAF targets and MKI DODGED IT as per PAF they fired only 2 AMRAAM both hit their targets, and if you want kill a target more than 50% you must fires BVR at NEZ

And as for your RD-93 and AESA issue you're contradict yourself, Its to Increase its performance not RANGE, and every fighter jets in the world have a difficulty to detect the enemy with its radar MAX RANGE, whether its F-22 or JFT
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Bvr is not necessarily fired in NEZ who has taught you that ? Do you know anything about how it works ? If the opponent has a missile with similar range you don't wait for enemy to come in NEZ as you are also in your enemies NEZ ..... IF the enemy is in range so are you..... so how do you know a missile has been fired at you unless it goes pitbull so pilots assume that a missile has been fired and go defensive after taking the shot ....
About AESA and engine there is a thread on pdf on RD93MA you'll find all the info there I don't have time to find that post ...