I always admire ur posts ur knowledge and u know that. I agreed to that extend (BVR/RCS) but if these are the only major factors then there was no need of spending millions and billions of dollars on the design dept. I again support my argument “Design” or anyone call it aesthetics. The aircraft is poorly designed because of the lack of understanding about the future requirements. I am talking about with in the spectrum of the design (many call it aesthetics here).
After the mature final prototype of SU, F18, F15, F16, you have never seen any aerodynamic or Vstab changes from past many decades rather just an extension of CFTs or a minor changes. Thats the advantage of excellent mature design again aesthetic. Chinese continuously done changes in all of their aircrafts which is another factor or one of the factor which unsatisfy the customer. Avionics upgrades are very specific to aircraft capabilities, aerodynamics (aesthetics) of the aircraft is more towards the air combat performance in air battle Maneuverability, loop, stability, agility etc).
Hope you get my point
Thanks you summarized my perspective.
Hi,
I agree with you whole heartedly---. You know that the the JF17 design was under extreme duress---the twin seater was a later addition due to customer demand---. Otherwise the Paf was happy with a single seater---.
The engine played a very large part in the design of the aircraft---.
If as suggested the original design was 25% larger than the current design and due to the lack of the 'right' power plant available---it got compressed---and possibly that is where the bulkiness is coming from---.
In due time people will learn how good this design is---with the side intakes and bumps----it is so different than what shows on the market in general---but most of those aircraft except for the stealth models---were not build persay for a low low RCS--.
All the conventional Twin tails were right in your face kind of designs---no care about the RCS---. The single engine were more sleek and slender---. With the availability of modern alloys that were lighter thinner and stronger and power plants that were slimmer and lighter but more powerful---the west was able and capable of producing more aesthetically pleasing aircraft---.
Now it was all well and good if the USAF had not turned around and refurbished an old B52 to a modern strike platform---. Now who could call the b52 an ugly aircraft---almost everyone---but if you look into its capabilities---it would out do many strike aircraft growler type aircrafts and air superiority fighter---why---because of the 21st century technology installed in it with 21st century weapons---.
The modern fighter aircraft has just become a conduit of delivery of a 21st century weapon helped thru 21st century electronic gadgets---and its shape is subservient to the mindset of the designing team.
Now for issues with quality of the end product---that is a different item---that is about quality control---.
The aesthetics of an aircraft can also reflect the nature of the country. In China, aesthetics are of efficiency, standardization and progress (J-10), in the US it's about dominance and conquest, and in Europe, leaving something to remember.
You could say the JF-17 is a reflection of "grit and grind." It isn't the prettiest, but it looks like a gunfighter or seasoned trooper. It fights in numbers, but does not need to swarm to win, just good weapons and tactics.
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Damn---I wish I could think like you young people and use metaphors like---"grit & Grind"---" "a true gunfighter of the old west "---.
Indeed---" just good weapons & tactics---"---remember these words of your ---. Paf has added a new paragraph to fighter aircraft building---. Looks will only take you so far---it is what is inside of you that will make you carry the day---.
Remember that gold saying---" Drive is for show Putting is for dough "---.
China have many AESA radars for themselves.. Our AESA radar is late because they are making export version of it..
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Indeed china has many an aesa radars---and many have glitches that you may not know of and I don't want to elaborate---. Plus they are larger and no issues with cooling space and power supply---.
JF17 otoh---needs a smaller radar with cooling ability and using lesser power---and functioning 100%---100% of the time---. Not an easy task---.