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Giuliani indicates Trump will nix Iran nuclear deal
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So what to do now?
continue beating them at the long game.
the US is losing its position as the world hegemon. Their biggest threat comes from china. hence Obama's long term "pivot to asia" strategy. This strategy involved making long term peace with iran. IT really isn't in the US interest to be bogged down in the middle east, fighting iran on behalf of the Zionists and wahabis.
it simply is not in the US' long term interest. This only gives china a freerer hand to dominate its region.
iran today is a country of 80 million~. Obama cited this numerous times saying it wasn't in Americas interest to get in to a conflict with a 80 million country~. now imagine an iran with 150 million people and 2-3 trillion economy.
with china rapidly overtaking the US. something like that might be enough to change the calculations of even the most deluded neocon. The US simply would have no choice but to accept Iran and its influence.
The biggest strategic mistake of the history of the Islamic republic was the deluded strategy of birth control. It came from a backward ideology that since we have this treasure called oil. The less people there are, the more oil for the rest of us to enjoy.
instead of recognizing that oil is an extra bonus we should use wisely to build up other industries and grow. Khamenei even admitted to this I believe when he said something along the lines of "its a historic mistake we hope history forgives us for"
they fell for western propaganda. and once your birth rate decreases, its EXTREMELY hard to get it back up. Arabs are breeding like rabbits. imagine the strategic nightmire of one day the Saudi population alone passing irans??
Iran just has to prevent internal collapse, and grow. trump may very well be a fart in the air in the grand scheme of things.
Or at least make war and strife as expensive to the west as possible..oil is key. If you know how to play that card.Iran has hot summer without doubt but situation can change by time in the favor of Iran in next months.
Iran just need to resist and mange economical deterrence.
Iran must shape strategy to have ability to harm USA economically to create balance of horror.
Since we're reflecting on the past and waxing the future I want to add that 80% of our problems comes from our rather bankrupt behaviour towards America. Let me explain, the Death to America chants at Friday Prayer, the Khameni, Ahmadinejad, (also other hardliners) speeches, the old Iranian routine of you hurt us and now we will take our ball and go home attitude is the cause of all our pains and problems. The idea of clergy governing a country or court system or diplomatic relations is a joke. We need professional bureaucrats. Just like we need a professional soliders running the military or a banker running the centeral reserve. These guys need to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" or Machevelli's "The Prince" to understand the playing field. Just imagine if they had grit their teeth and opened relationship with America, the same way the Chinsese are doing it or how Russia was doing it pre Putin. We could have a modern miltary, an expanding economy, an natural center of trade for Europe and Asia instead of UAE. We could have put down Saddam in 2 years with the help of the West. I'm not advocating we kiss their ring or become subservient like the Arabs, I'm simply suggesting to use them for all they'e worth. Unforutantley the empty reheotoric of defiance and the Iranian nature of "I'm breaking up with you" has caused us great harm.
I am not speaking about oil b/c oil can not create economical deterrence for Iran.Or at least make war and strife as expensive to the west as possible..oil is key. If you know how to play that card.
Here is a good article that came out today
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/talking-tough-about-iran-36878006.html
Wrong.
The West has been in the Middle East since the dawn of time(Crusades) and will be in the Middle East for the foreseeable future.
Iran is the perfect boogie man for the US, it allows the US to sell Arab puppet countries billions in arms.
The pivot to china was going to happen irregardless. The US can handle both theaters at the same time, as the Chinese theater turning hot is not very likely.
The US is still undisputed superpower and China is not going to change that anytime soon.
The deep state allowed Obama to approach Iran with a POTENTIAL for normalization or it could have all been a ploy to bait Iran into a deal that the West had every intention of pulling out of.
The deep state will not allow Iran to be left alone. Iran threatens their puppet regimes of Egypt, UAE, Jordan, and Bahrain and most importantly it’s all important ally Israel. Iran taking control of these countries would be an immense blow.
Thus whatever the US might say, it will not leave Iran to take over the Middle East. It is barely willing to allow Russia to have a foothold in the Middle East, what makes you think they will allow Iran to have near total control?
We had a deal with the US not Obama administration.I understand the quasi-filial affection for your leader
but the facts have a context that relativizes your view :
Had Trump not won the presi-fancy, the accord would
have been respected.
_-_-_-_I hope this "victory" doesn't affect Iran's best answer :
Respect integrally the pact with those signatory that
still want it ... [ drives a wedge between USA 'n others ]
Refrain from revenge calls and shift to calm pity at one
so quick to renege their word ... [ maxing image points ]
Refuse politely but firmly to renegotiate the present deal
but not refuse a further one past it with the idea that as
Iran was the offended in this case, a concession of some
sort is the logical starting point ... [ a concession to Iran ].
Great day Cthulhu & all, Tay.
continue beating them at the long game.
the US is losing its position as the world hegemon. Their biggest threat comes from china. hence Obama's long term "pivot to asia" strategy. This strategy involved making long term peace with iran. IT really isn't in the US interest to be bogged down in the middle east, fighting iran on behalf of the Zionists and wahabis.
it simply is not in the US' long term interest. This only gives china a freerer hand to dominate its region.
iran today is a country of 80 million~. Obama cited this numerous times saying it wasn't in Americas interest to get in to a conflict with a 80 million country~. now imagine an iran with 150 million people and 2-3 trillion economy.
with china rapidly overtaking the US. something like that might be enough to change the calculations of even the most deluded neocon. The US simply would have no choice but to accept Iran and its influence.
The biggest strategic mistake of the history of the Islamic republic was the deluded strategy of birth control. It came from a backward ideology that since we have this treasure called oil. The less people there are, the more oil for the rest of us to enjoy.
instead of recognizing that oil is an extra bonus we should use wisely to build up other industries and grow. Khamenei even admitted to this I believe when he said something along the lines of "its a historic mistake we hope history forgives us for"
they fell for western propaganda. and once your birth rate decreases, its EXTREMELY hard to get it back up. Arabs are breeding like rabbits. imagine the strategic nightmire of one day the Saudi population alone passing irans??
Iran just has to prevent internal collapse, and grow. trump may very well be a fart in the air in the grand scheme of things.
Low birth rates in Iran today is mainly due to an increase in literacy, education & Urban living in Iran on top of the Iranian governments social policies from gender segregation in high schools to the governments marriage policies that greatly effect birth rates in urban areas.
And social behaviors in Urban areas are quite different than rural areas and without a change in the governments social policies there will be no change in the countries birth rates especially since the UN predicts that within the next 10 years over 80% of Iran's population will be living in Urban areas!
peoples changing social economic situations definitely plays a role. But what you are ignoring was a unique (in the region) Iranian government program designed to specifically reduce birth rates. with the slogan of "think of future generations". Mandatory classes that propagated to couples the merits of not having too many children. readily available and even subsidized birth control operations, media campaigns.... etc..etc.. I remember this policy being almost universally lauded and encouraged by western propaganda factories.
have you ever seen them make an issue about india's runaway population growth? They only seem concerned about the birth rates of geopolitical enemies.
there is no denying this had a huge impact as well....