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You trying to censor me, comrade? Here's your lesson in history commie.

Sorry you are lying to yourself, Mr. "Terrorist" (since you falsely assume I'm "commie"). Before Islam was created, the land was Buddhist. And before that, who knows. That land had been a multi-ethnic mixture of different people for THOUSANDS of years. Islamic invaders came only about ONE thousand years ago, they MIXED with the people -- and during this time they never ruled the land, although they did manage to murder off millions of the Indigenous people.

Don't take your history lessons from ignorant Mullahs, comrade. :)
 
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Sorry you are lying to yourself, Mr. "Terrorist" (since you falsely assume I'm "commie"). Before Islam was created, the land was Buddhist. And before that, who knows. That land had been a multi-ethnic mixture of different people for THOUSANDS of years. Islamic invaders came only about ONE thousand years ago, they MIXED with the people -- and during this time they never ruled the land, although they did manage to murder off millions of the Indigenous people.

Don't take your history lessons from ignorant Mullahs, comrade. :)

My history is from irrefutable unbiased sources. Much of your history was re-written by fascist socialists. Doesn't matter when the Muslims brought Islam, which your kind already hates (as much as they hate Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Sikhs because the party is not our god), the fact is that Xinjiang was settled by Uyghurs who are Turks and East Turkestan is their homeland. The Turkic race is martial and their claim is legitimate over the Chinese.
 
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I seriously hope Uyghurstan along with Chechnya, Daghestan, Palestine and IOK become independent nations, out of the hands of scum, free to self govern.

So I take it Pakistan should also be broken up into Balochistan, Sind, Punjab, Kashmir, Peshawar. I'm sure India would like to claim a piece, as would Iran, Afghan tribal warlords...... that is they'll have to fight the Taliban for it. :)

"I seriously hope all of these become independent nations, out of the hands of scum, free to self govern." :woot:
 
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Sino - I want you to stop what you're doing, get out the quill and rice paper, and write a nice drawn out letter as to why your government should stop suppressing the Tibetans and Uyghurs, and how worshiping egotistical maniacs as gods is bad for a future power...kill communism and accept that the Hans were injected into Xinjiang to kill out the Turks.
 
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My history is from irrefutable unbiased sources. Much of your history was re-written by fascist socialists. Doesn't matter when the Muslims brought Islam, which your kind already hates (as much as they hate Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Sikhs because the party is not our god), the fact is that Xinjiang was settled by Uyghurs who are Turks and East Turkestan is their homeland. The Turkic race is martial and their claim is legitimate over the Chinese.

Where do you go making stupid arse statements like these: "which your kind already hates (as much as they hate Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Sikhs because the party is not our god)" ---> what does that mean? It's incoherent. Are you really that stupid to believe that stereotype?!

Do you know the beauty of a SECULAR nation is that it doesn't favor one 'religion' at the expense of the rest? Do you realize Chinese people (of which there is no single 'ethnic' group) don't dwell on religion, it's only a small part of their identiy -- as some are Buddhist, some are Muslim, some are Christian, some are Taoist, some of Spiritualist, and some don't care for any Organized Relgion.

Also, you are Aware the Uyghurs are 60-90% ORIENTALS rather than CAUCASIAN "Turks", don't ya? Look at photos of Uyghirs and see for yourself. Man, you are ignorant. Time to get out more. :cheers:
 
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Sino - I want you to stop what you're doing, get out the quill and rice paper, and write a nice drawn out letter as to why your government should stop suppressing the Tibetans and Uyghurs, and how worshiping egotistical maniacs as gods is bad for a future power...kill communism and accept that the Hans were injected into Xinjiang to kill out the Turks.

You got to put down the Quran, get some sunshine, wake up from your slumber, get a 'modern' education, integrate with the rest of society, and write a nice drawn out letter (after you learn what paper is) as to why you should stop blindly follow Extremist Religious Ideologies and stop suppressing those who don't want to BLINDLY follow your "beliefs", and stop worshipping egotistical mullahs is bad for your OWN future.... kill extremism and bigotry and accept that the Turks were invaders into Asia. :angel:
 
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Actually they are Turks, "oriental" is a vague and un-educated term.

Uyghur Khaganate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:rofl: wikipedia is not authoritive. :rofl:

Oriental is accepted as referring to the "Mongoloid race" (whatever that means), which is a well-accepted and broadly understood terminology. It only appears 'vague' to the uneducated Mullah. :hitwall:

Some of their ancestors were turks thousands years back, but through INTERMARRIAGE they are now more Asian than Whites. That means most of their family lineage can be traced to "Mongoloids".
 
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So I take it Pakistan should also be broken up into Balochistan, Sind, Punjab, Kashmir, Peshawar. I'm sure India would like to claim a piece, as would Iran, Afghan tribal warlords...... that is they'll have to fight the Taliban for it. :)

"I seriously hope all of these become independent nations, out of the hands of scum, free to self govern." :woot:

I see Kharian is too bashful to confront this issue.
But he can talk....:blah:
 
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Hey u two Race experts, get back to the topic...
 
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Oh this is a Bang for me.... I always was suspicious of Japs. Imagine the country that can do so much after being hit by Nukes twice. Japan is a nation that can never surrender. Their GDP and human recourse enables them to do marvels.

For how long Japan can live on shoulders of USA. It has to stand up, perhaps the time has come.

I am fan of both Germans and Japanese, just because of the fact that these two nations build themselves up in short time and now are great powers.

Japanese are gearing up for something really big or at least something that will bring them in light of power politics...
They are building a very good Naval Armada, new ABMs, all Destroyers in Japan will be equipped with it, then there is a program for acquiring F-15 Silent Eagle & then a 5th Gen A/C program & recently they have passed a law declaring Kuril Islands part of Japan which Russians opposed bitterly, then they are trying to amend their pacifist constitution, uptil now they haven't succeeded but who knows, they will in some time :azn:
Chain of events are pointing towards one conclusion i.e. Welcome Back to good old days :lol:
Though its a bit early to say that :D
 
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Also, you are Aware the Uyghurs are 60-90% ORIENTALS rather than CAUCASIAN "Turks", don't ya? Look at photos of Uyghirs and see for yourself. Man, you are ignorant. Time to get out more. :cheers:
You have innocently assumed that since the present day population of Turkey look Caucasian, therefore, the Turkic people are not oriental. But, Turkey people have a different history than other Turkic people living in the central asia as well as western China.

A group of Turkic people, when ousted by other Turkic groups, moved westwards and established their own kingdom somewhere in the present-day Turkey. In the course of next 800 years or so, these people intermixed with the local population and then with the mainland europeans, who look caucasian. Note that Turkey built an empire comprising much of east europe, west asia and north africa.

This is how the present day Turkic people look quite different from their cousins, such as Uighurs, living in the central asia.
 
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You have innocently assumed that since the present day population of Turkey look Caucasian, therefore, the Turkic people are not oriental. But, Turkey people have a different history than other Turkic people living in the central asia as well as western China.

A group of Turkic people, when ousted by other Turkic groups, moved westwards and established their own kingdom somewhere in the present-day Turkey. In the course of next 800 years or so, these people intermixed with the local population and then with the mainland europeans, who look caucasian. Note that Turkey built an empire comprising much of east europe, west asia and north africa.

This is how the present day Turkic people look quite different from their cousins, such as Uighurs, living in the central asia.

Let me draw the conclusion.


Uyghurs are genetically Mongoloids. They are Turkic mongoloids. Genetically both Uyghurs and Hans are all the same, excluding some exceptions who look Caucasoids.

Mongoloid - Turkic Mongoloids

In Central Asia, the Uzbeks, the Uighur, the Kyrgyz, and the Kazakhs show strong Turkic Mongoloid elements, which would make them the Western cousins of the Mongolians. However, among them, and especially among Uzbeks and Uyghurs in particular, one may notice a continuum of physical types that ranges from Mongoloid to Europoid Caucasoid. This tends to also be true among the modern Tatars (Bulgars) and Bashkirs. Historically, the Huns and the ancient Tatars have been considered to belong to the Mongoloid family. The Turkmen, while are still Central Asian Turkic-Mongoloids, have mixed heavily with Caucasoid neighbours to the west, and many of the even more westerly Turkic-speakers, such as those in Azerbaijan appear to have little or no visible Mongoloid ancestry, although many may have less visible Mongoloid features. Turks in Turkey have an amount of Mongoloid features that is related to the amount of actual Turkic ancestry present in the individuals considered. This is variable in Turkey due to the varied ancestry of most of the population. While many scholars explain the variablity of the physical characteristics of Turkic Mongoloids as the result of intermixing with Caucasoids, some propose that there may have at one point been a distinct Turkic Mongoloid group, with particular and distinct physical characteristics.


Mongoloid: Encyclopedia II - Mongoloid - Peoples in the Mongoloid race



The Turkic people originated from the northern branch of Mongoloid that initially inhabited around the lake Baikal in Siberia. Also based on scripts and excavations it is known to scientists today that one of the earliest known Turkic people, the Quanyi, lived in Ordos and Inner Mongolia. They shared ancestors with other Altaic people like Mongols and Tsungusic people. The Turks/Turkut/Tujue was originally pure mongoloids, like mongols.
After their conquest of Central Asia, they mixed with some White people who occupied oasys cities in the Tarim Basin at that time. After that they were more like Mongoloid still, but they were not pure Mongoloids either but still they kept the mongol spirit of their forefathers and still their language was mongol as most of their customs and uniforms also. Turkic peoples in general, incluiding the Tu Jue, the Ding Lin and Gui Fang and the rest of the Turanians as well were recorded from Chinese scripts of the time to have slanted eyes, long but not thick facial hair and lots of body hair (body hair was a feature they got after mixing with the few withes they conquered as body hair is something that pure mongols dont have).
The Tujue/Turku/Turuk/Turks were divided cause of their gerography location into two basic and very simmilar groups (each group consists also of many smaller groups of Turkish/Turanian tribes) : The Eastern turku (Dong Tujue) and the Western turuk (Xi Tujue). In the 7th century, during the time of Ishbara Khaghan, the Western turku was re-organised into ten tribes and were given the name On Okh ("Ten Arrows" meaning Ten Tribes, in the language of another turanian turkish tribe it means ten allies). This On Okh was divided into two groups: the Nushibi (West) and the Tolu ( East). The On Okh also incluided the Turgish and Pecheneg Turks, the Turgish later disappeared from history after 766 (they probably assimiliated into the Kharlukh Turks and later the Oghuz Turks). The Pechenegs migrated to Eastern Europe but they were massacred by the Khypchakh Turks in 1092 . The remaining Pechenegs melted in the European Oghuz and Khypchakh Turks.
The Eastern turku people became subjects of the Orkhun Uyghur Khaghanate (another Turkish/turanian tribe that united under its control the rest tribe at this time)also known as the Tokhuz Oghuz-On Uyghur Khaghanate. In 840, the fierce Khyrghiz (another turkish/turanian tribe) invaded Mongolia and destroyed the Uyghur Khaghanate; the Uyghurs migrated to Turfan and Kansu, where they founded two smaller khaghanates.
The Orkhun Uyghurs (composed of Ten Tribes) were living together with the Tokhuz Oghuz (Nine Tribes). However, in 840, when Mongolia fell in chaos, the turku disappeared, the Uyghurs scattered to two regions and the Tokhuz Oghuz were left alone. These Nine tribes migrated to Western Turkistan after 840 and settled on the plains north of the Aral Sea and Syr-Derya. There, the Nine Tribes mixed with some other turkish tribes who inluided Turkic and a few Iranic ramnents, some of the original tribes splitted and re-arraned to form new tribes; thus forming the OGHUZ TURKS (Uz/Uzoi in Greek, Tork/Torki in Russian, Ghuz in Arabic). During the 10th-11th centuries, these Oghuz were made up of 22 tribes (as a result of mixing and re-arrangements). During the 12th century (ot after the 1070s), they became 24 tribes.
The Oghuz had established a state north of the Aral-Syrderya. This state was destroyed by the newly-arrived Khypchak-Kuman Turks (who had broken from the main Kimek Turks in Sourthwestern Siberia; the Kimek were the descendants of the Chik people) in 1030; some of the Oghuz fled to the Pontic Steppes (where they were named as Torki by the Russians) and later migrated to Romania-Dobruja-Moldova. Most of the larger body of Oghuz gathered around Selchuck/Selchur/Salchukh Begh (son of Commander Dukhakh from the Khynykh tribe) and became Muslim; they first migrated to Transoxiana but they were expelled from there by the Khara-Khanid Turkish Dynasty. The Muslim Oghuz (called Turkman/Turkoman or Turkmen meaning "Muslim Turks") then fled to Khorasan-Turkmenistan. There, a small group of them broke and went to Iraq (who formed today's Iraqi Turkmans). Some of the larger body stayed there and became the Eastern Turkmans while yet a larger group went to Iran, Armenia-Azerbaijan and finally to Anatolia/Ionia. As you know, the "Byzantine" Greek army was defeated by the Salchukhid/Selchuid sultan Alp Arslan in August 26 1071; after the battle, thousands of Turkmens (still calling themselves as Oghuz, which was abandoned after the 11th-12th centuries) entered Anatolia/Asia Minor and settled there. In the 13th century, a new wave of Turkmens entered Anatolia; this time, these Turkmens were a large group of the Eastern Turkmens fleeing from the Mongol Invasions. Among the second wave of migrations was the Khay tribe which later established the Osmanli or Ottoman Sultanate.
The Khay founded the Ottomans, the Khynykh founded the Salchukhids/Selchuchids, the Afshars founded the Kharamanids and Qachar Dynasty in Iran. All were Oghuz Turks. The modern Turks in Anatolia and Balkans are the general mix of Turkmens who migrated to Asia Minor with Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Slavs. The Iraqi Turkmens are the smaller group that broke away in Khorasan. The Turkmens in Iran , Khorasan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan are the Eastern Turkmens. The Muslim Oghuz that settled in Azerbaijan were re-named as Azeris.
The Western Turkmens, Eastern Turkmens and Azerisall are from the Oghuz. The Oghuz are the mixture of Tokhuz Oghuz and other turkish tribes. The Tokhuz Oghuz are one part of the turanian/turkish nation, who descended from the Ding Ling. And those are what we call today Turks. But its well known that those are not the only Turks; There are also the Uyghurs, the Kutrigurs,Oghuz/T.Oghuz, Khazars, Sabars,Avars,Tatars, Mongols, Khouns,Huns, Hunogundur, Oghurs, Khyrghiz, Kharlukhs, Turgish, Pechenegs, Khypchakhs, Kimeks, Kumans and many many other turanian/turkish/mongoloid tribes.

Here is a statue of Kul Tegin born in 685 and died in 731, he was the high commander of Eastern Türük armies, one of the greatest warlord of the turkish tribes and one of the greatest hero's for Turks today. This statue is located in the Museum of Ulaanbaatur, capital of Mongolia. The strong mongol features are presented in his head statue clearly. A typical turanoid mongol.





Now why Uyghurs are called Turkic Mongoloids?

They are called Turkic because they are different in culture as they were converted into Islam. Turkic has cultural denotation, not genetic denotation.

Do you guys know even the Mughals were also Mongoloids in origin?

The Mughals were the last powerful descendants of the Mongols; descended from Mongol stock in Turkestan, in the early 1500's they engaged in the last series of conquests to bear the Mongol name. They were, however, quite distant from their original ancestors. The Mughals had become Islamic, for the Middle Eastern Mongol invaders had converted to Islam long before. They had also thoroughly absorbed Middle Eastern culture, especially Persian culture (the Persian word for Mongol is "Mughal," from which we get the English word, "mogul," meaning "tycoon"), and their wars of invasion spread Persian culture throughout India. Much of Persian culture was based on Shi'a Islam and its mystical doctrine of a Divine Light present in the earth in the form of the Imam, or religious guide on earth. It was equally influenced by Sufi mysticism, a branch of Islamic religion that stressed the mystical union of human with god. Much of Persian culture was also derived from Mongolian culture, particularly art, which was based on Chinese models of painting. In many ways, then, the Mughal invasion of India and its importation of Persian culture was a roundabout way of importing far eastern culture into India.

India was no stranger to Islam; it had been invaded by Muslim forces as early as the seventh century AD, and since the early 1300's, the south-eastern portion of India, the Rajput, was dominated by the Dehli sultan, a Turkish invader.

Despite their illustrious ancestors, the Mughals began humbly. When the great Mughal conqueror, Babur the Tiger, came to power in 1483, he ruled over a very small kingdom in Turkestan. With the smallest of armies, he managed to conquer first Afghanistan and then the Dehli sultanate and all of Hindustan. Faced with overwhelming odds (when he fought the Dehli Sultan he was outnumbered ten to one), he overcame his enemies with a new technology: firearms. For this reason, Western historians have dubbed the Mughal Empire, the first gunpowder empire.


The Mughals: Origins


In Afghanistan there is a Mongoloid Islamic group of people called Hazara. See the movie Kite Runner to know about them.

In my opinion, the Mongoloid people actually originated from the steppe region of Mongolia. All the Mongoloids, be it Han, Taiwanese, Hui, Kazakh, Kirghiz, Mongolian, Japanese, Vietnamese, Burmese, Nepalese, Tibetans, Bhutanese, Thai, Indonesian, Philipinos, Indian North Eastern tribes (Gurkhas, Manipuris, Nagas, Mizos, Arunachalis, etc etc), everyone is a direct or indirect descendant of the Mongolian tribe.

Some of the Mongoloids were later converted into Islam, some Buddhism, some Taoism, some Christianity and so on. But they are genetically all the same, yes culturally different. Culture is always superficial. Culture can be created, culture can be imposed, culture can be embraced, culture can be exported and imported, and so on.


In my opinion, if China now suddenly abandons Xinjiang, the Uyghurs will face what the Afghanistan tribes are now facing. Because do not think that Western people are sympathetic to the Uyghurs. Their actual onjective is to split China and then occupy Xinjaing and then wipe the Uyghurs off the face of the Earth and then exploit the natural resources of that region.

Do you want that?

Dont answer, lets get back to the topic.
 
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Let me draw the conclusion.


Uyghurs are genetically Mongoloids. They are Turkic mongoloids. Genetically both Uyghurs and Hans are all the same, excluding some exceptions who look Caucasoids.

Mongoloid - Turkic Mongoloids

In Central Asia, the Uzbeks, the Uighur, the Kyrgyz, and the Kazakhs show strong Turkic Mongoloid elements, which would make them the Western cousins of the Mongolians. However, among them, and especially among Uzbeks and Uyghurs in particular, one may notice a continuum of physical types that ranges from Mongoloid to Europoid Caucasoid. This tends to also be true among the modern Tatars (Bulgars) and Bashkirs. Historically, the Huns and the ancient Tatars have been considered to belong to the Mongoloid family. The Turkmen, while are still Central Asian Turkic-Mongoloids, have mixed heavily with Caucasoid neighbours to the west, and many of the even more westerly Turkic-speakers, such as those in Azerbaijan appear to have little or no visible Mongoloid ancestry, although many may have less visible Mongoloid features. Turks in Turkey have an amount of Mongoloid features that is related to the amount of actual Turkic ancestry present in the individuals considered. This is variable in Turkey due to the varied ancestry of most of the population. While many scholars explain the variablity of the physical characteristics of Turkic Mongoloids as the result of intermixing with Caucasoids, some propose that there may have at one point been a distinct Turkic Mongoloid group, with particular and distinct physical characteristics.


Mongoloid: Encyclopedia II - Mongoloid - Peoples in the Mongoloid race



The Turkic people originated from the northern branch of Mongoloid that initially inhabited around the lake Baikal in Siberia. Also based on scripts and excavations it is known to scientists today that one of the earliest known Turkic people, the Quanyi, lived in Ordos and Inner Mongolia. They shared ancestors with other Altaic people like Mongols and Tsungusic people. The Turks/Turkut/Tujue was originally pure mongoloids, like mongols.
After their conquest of Central Asia, they mixed with some White people who occupied oasys cities in the Tarim Basin at that time. After that they were more like Mongoloid still, but they were not pure Mongoloids either but still they kept the mongol spirit of their forefathers and still their language was mongol as most of their customs and uniforms also. Turkic peoples in general, incluiding the Tu Jue, the Ding Lin and Gui Fang and the rest of the Turanians as well were recorded from Chinese scripts of the time to have slanted eyes, long but not thick facial hair and lots of body hair (body hair was a feature they got after mixing with the few withes they conquered as body hair is something that pure mongols dont have).
The Tujue/Turku/Turuk/Turks were divided cause of their gerography location into two basic and very simmilar groups (each group consists also of many smaller groups of Turkish/Turanian tribes) : The Eastern turku (Dong Tujue) and the Western turuk (Xi Tujue). In the 7th century, during the time of Ishbara Khaghan, the Western turku was re-organised into ten tribes and were given the name On Okh ("Ten Arrows" meaning Ten Tribes, in the language of another turanian turkish tribe it means ten allies). This On Okh was divided into two groups: the Nushibi (West) and the Tolu ( East). The On Okh also incluided the Turgish and Pecheneg Turks, the Turgish later disappeared from history after 766 (they probably assimiliated into the Kharlukh Turks and later the Oghuz Turks). The Pechenegs migrated to Eastern Europe but they were massacred by the Khypchakh Turks in 1092 . The remaining Pechenegs melted in the European Oghuz and Khypchakh Turks.
The Eastern turku people became subjects of the Orkhun Uyghur Khaghanate (another Turkish/turanian tribe that united under its control the rest tribe at this time)also known as the Tokhuz Oghuz-On Uyghur Khaghanate. In 840, the fierce Khyrghiz (another turkish/turanian tribe) invaded Mongolia and destroyed the Uyghur Khaghanate; the Uyghurs migrated to Turfan and Kansu, where they founded two smaller khaghanates.
The Orkhun Uyghurs (composed of Ten Tribes) were living together with the Tokhuz Oghuz (Nine Tribes). However, in 840, when Mongolia fell in chaos, the turku disappeared, the Uyghurs scattered to two regions and the Tokhuz Oghuz were left alone. These Nine tribes migrated to Western Turkistan after 840 and settled on the plains north of the Aral Sea and Syr-Derya. There, the Nine Tribes mixed with some other turkish tribes who inluided Turkic and a few Iranic ramnents, some of the original tribes splitted and re-arraned to form new tribes; thus forming the OGHUZ TURKS (Uz/Uzoi in Greek, Tork/Torki in Russian, Ghuz in Arabic). During the 10th-11th centuries, these Oghuz were made up of 22 tribes (as a result of mixing and re-arrangements). During the 12th century (ot after the 1070s), they became 24 tribes.
The Oghuz had established a state north of the Aral-Syrderya. This state was destroyed by the newly-arrived Khypchak-Kuman Turks (who had broken from the main Kimek Turks in Sourthwestern Siberia; the Kimek were the descendants of the Chik people) in 1030; some of the Oghuz fled to the Pontic Steppes (where they were named as Torki by the Russians) and later migrated to Romania-Dobruja-Moldova. Most of the larger body of Oghuz gathered around Selchuck/Selchur/Salchukh Begh (son of Commander Dukhakh from the Khynykh tribe) and became Muslim; they first migrated to Transoxiana but they were expelled from there by the Khara-Khanid Turkish Dynasty. The Muslim Oghuz (called Turkman/Turkoman or Turkmen meaning "Muslim Turks") then fled to Khorasan-Turkmenistan. There, a small group of them broke and went to Iraq (who formed today's Iraqi Turkmans). Some of the larger body stayed there and became the Eastern Turkmans while yet a larger group went to Iran, Armenia-Azerbaijan and finally to Anatolia/Ionia. As you know, the "Byzantine" Greek army was defeated by the Salchukhid/Selchuid sultan Alp Arslan in August 26 1071; after the battle, thousands of Turkmens (still calling themselves as Oghuz, which was abandoned after the 11th-12th centuries) entered Anatolia/Asia Minor and settled there. In the 13th century, a new wave of Turkmens entered Anatolia; this time, these Turkmens were a large group of the Eastern Turkmens fleeing from the Mongol Invasions. Among the second wave of migrations was the Khay tribe which later established the Osmanli or Ottoman Sultanate.
The Khay founded the Ottomans, the Khynykh founded the Salchukhids/Selchuchids, the Afshars founded the Kharamanids and Qachar Dynasty in Iran. All were Oghuz Turks. The modern Turks in Anatolia and Balkans are the general mix of Turkmens who migrated to Asia Minor with Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Slavs. The Iraqi Turkmens are the smaller group that broke away in Khorasan. The Turkmens in Iran , Khorasan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan are the Eastern Turkmens. The Muslim Oghuz that settled in Azerbaijan were re-named as Azeris.
The Western Turkmens, Eastern Turkmens and Azerisall are from the Oghuz. The Oghuz are the mixture of Tokhuz Oghuz and other turkish tribes. The Tokhuz Oghuz are one part of the turanian/turkish nation, who descended from the Ding Ling. And those are what we call today Turks. But its well known that those are not the only Turks; There are also the Uyghurs, the Kutrigurs,Oghuz/T.Oghuz, Khazars, Sabars,Avars,Tatars, Mongols, Khouns,Huns, Hunogundur, Oghurs, Khyrghiz, Kharlukhs, Turgish, Pechenegs, Khypchakhs, Kimeks, Kumans and many many other turanian/turkish/mongoloid tribes.

Here is a statue of Kul Tegin born in 685 and died in 731, he was the high commander of Eastern Türük armies, one of the greatest warlord of the turkish tribes and one of the greatest hero's for Turks today. This statue is located in the Museum of Ulaanbaatur, capital of Mongolia. The strong mongol features are presented in his head statue clearly. A typical turanoid mongol.





Now why Uyghurs are called Turkic Mongoloids?

They are called Turkic because they are different in culture as they were converted into Islam. Turkic has cultural denotation, not genetic denotation.

Do you guys know even the Mughals were also Mongoloids in origin?

The Mughals were the last powerful descendants of the Mongols; descended from Mongol stock in Turkestan, in the early 1500's they engaged in the last series of conquests to bear the Mongol name. They were, however, quite distant from their original ancestors. The Mughals had become Islamic, for the Middle Eastern Mongol invaders had converted to Islam long before. They had also thoroughly absorbed Middle Eastern culture, especially Persian culture (the Persian word for Mongol is "Mughal," from which we get the English word, "mogul," meaning "tycoon"), and their wars of invasion spread Persian culture throughout India. Much of Persian culture was based on Shi'a Islam and its mystical doctrine of a Divine Light present in the earth in the form of the Imam, or religious guide on earth. It was equally influenced by Sufi mysticism, a branch of Islamic religion that stressed the mystical union of human with god. Much of Persian culture was also derived from Mongolian culture, particularly art, which was based on Chinese models of painting. In many ways, then, the Mughal invasion of India and its importation of Persian culture was a roundabout way of importing far eastern culture into India.

India was no stranger to Islam; it had been invaded by Muslim forces as early as the seventh century AD, and since the early 1300's, the south-eastern portion of India, the Rajput, was dominated by the Dehli sultan, a Turkish invader.

Despite their illustrious ancestors, the Mughals began humbly. When the great Mughal conqueror, Babur the Tiger, came to power in 1483, he ruled over a very small kingdom in Turkestan. With the smallest of armies, he managed to conquer first Afghanistan and then the Dehli sultanate and all of Hindustan. Faced with overwhelming odds (when he fought the Dehli Sultan he was outnumbered ten to one), he overcame his enemies with a new technology: firearms. For this reason, Western historians have dubbed the Mughal Empire, the first gunpowder empire.


The Mughals: Origins


In Afghanistan there is a Mongoloid Islamic group of people called Hazara. See the movie Kite Runner to know about them.

In my opinion, the Mongoloid people actually originated from the steppe region of Mongolia. All the Mongoloids, be it Han, Taiwanese, Hui, Kazakh, Kirghiz, Mongolian, Japanese, Vietnamese, Burmese, Nepalese, Tibetans, Bhutanese, Thai, Indonesian, Philipinos, Indian North Eastern tribes (Gurkhas, Manipuris, Nagas, Mizos, Arunachalis, etc etc), everyone is a direct or indirect descendant of the Mongolian tribe.

Some of the Mongoloids were later converted into Islam, some Buddhism, some Taoism, some Christianity and so on. But they are genetically all the same, yes culturally different. Culture is always superficial. Culture can be created, culture can be imposed, culture can be embraced, culture can be exported and imported, and so on.


In my opinion, if China now suddenly abandons Xinjiang, the Uyghurs will face what the Afghanistan tribes are now facing. Because do not think that Western people are sympathetic to the Uyghurs. Their actual onjective is to split China and then occupy Xinjaing and then wipe the Uyghurs off the face of the Earth and then exploit the natural resources of that region.

Do you want that?

Dont answer, lets get back to the topic.

Eastwatch, Kharian_beast this answers your 'concerns'. Also if we go by your logic, then Chinese by being the inheritors of the Mongols tribes also conquered Europe, Persia, Pak, Northern India --- and have done so for hundreds of years, their reign is much longer than the Persian-or-Turk empire, and their origin thousands of years older. So does this mean China can lay claim to 50% of the world?!

Let's not forget in Oregon (USA) there are ancient Chinese stone ship anchors displayed in Museums, and the fact that the Aboriginals in both North and South America are descendents of Chinese explorer-migrants. So does this mean China can lay claim to 75% of the world?!

Furthermore, Chinese 'discovered' Africa, Europe and the Middle East centuries (millenium in some cases) before the Europeans "discovered" land outside their continent. From the same "logic" Whites use to lay claim to North America, Australia, etc.... So does that mean China can lay claim to 100% of the world?!

The fact that such an old and respectable civilization has NOT lay the above claim, instead only wish to maintain a very MODEST territorial claim (that is much less than ancestral & historical dictates) tells you something about learning to RESPECT OTHERS and living in DIVERSE HARMONY. Chinese people have mixed with so many other 'ethnics' throughout eons -- that is why there is not such thing as a single 'ethnic' that represents Chinese.

For me, I am not a "pure-blood" (however you may define that) Chinese. In fact I am less "Han" than others, yet I still identify with being Chinese. And more importantly, NEVER in my life have I ever been discriminated for that. They don't see me differently, and I don't see myself differently. That is the beauty of the "Chinese" culture, where MERITOCRACY, HISTORY-ANCESTRY and LOYALTY is what determines whether one is "Chinese" or not. Even though Chinese language plays a large social role, it's NOT a pre-condition to being Chinese. Heck, you also have the FREEDOM to choose to follow any religion you want and still be "Chinese".

/end-of-rant from a "non-Chinese" Chinese. :cheers: :china:
 
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With china, the two Koreas, Bagladesh, India and Pakistan going ahead Japan wants peace of the action.
 
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