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Japan seeks defence ties with Asean

First of all, there are only one country in Asia (Not the world) potentially have the power to heads up 1 on 1 with China. That's India.

Unless India have joined hand with ASEAN, situation did not change much if ASEAN was to stay as an "Asiatic Organisation"

However, if you bring in Japan, South Korea or Australia/New Zeland, which all 3 of those have a defence pact with the USA. It will be definitely a game changer. But the trade off is, that will not be ASEAN anymore as US start influence the show. Which is a good way to spike China but not a good way for regional politic.

So, if we see ASEAN move West and apporach India, then we know ASEAN stance is pro-asia not anti-China. But if we see ASEAN approach East and approach Japan and South Korea. Then we will see the ASEAN objective is only there to spike China, nothing more.
 
well first thing is you must see which country in ASEAN that support china and which country that oppose it,
which country that is neutral.
for my opinion ASEAN is like UN a big joke. :omghaha:

even your country is saying this joke is forming NATO..so,I think you should watch this "Big Joke" very carefully.and about UN,China is one of the permanent member of security council.so,what does it make??the punch line??beware what you are saying..
 
As expected..ASEAN countries are forming defence cluster and they day is not far when this cluster will dump their neutral position and will start working in tandem with USA..warmongering of some countries will doom us all..

The honest answer to this overture from Japan is that Japan is simply trying to flirt with China with the hope and expectation that when will China embrace Japan. Japan has the advantage and time to reclaim itself as the global power in 1970-1990 when Japan is at its peak as the global economic power. But at that point of time, rather than leading the show to ASEAN nations, Japan prefer to allign with intrest and objective of the West. So the result is that no one really sees Japan as a leader but of course a good and helping nation with good people. But leadership is a different game...And in turn slowly and steadily the leadership role that could have been taken up by Japan is taken up by China...

So my point is that it does not matter what we wish to see, but JAPAN lost the time and moment where he could have leader of ASEAN and to some extent and influential nation in Asia too...But they lost the opportunity to China...
 
well first thing is you must see which country in ASEAN that support china and which country that oppose it,
which country that is neutral.
for my opinion ASEAN is like UN a big joke. :omghaha:
Well, an military alliance can start with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines and Laos. More countries can join later.

:coffee:
 
First of all, there are only one country in Asia (Not the world) potentially have the power to heads up 1 on 1 with China. That's India.

Unless India have joined hand with ASEAN, situation did not change much if ASEAN was to stay as an "Asiatic Organisation"

However, if you bring in Japan, South Korea or Australia/New Zeland, which all 3 of those have a defence pact with the USA. It will be definitely a game changer. But the trade off is, that will not be ASEAN anymore as US start influence the show. Which is a good way to spike China but not a good way for regional politic.

So, if we see ASEAN move West and apporach India, then we know ASEAN stance is pro-asia not anti-China. But if we see ASEAN approach East and approach Japan and South Korea. Then we will see the ASEAN objective is only there to spike China, nothing more.

you are quite right..but India made it clear that it'll not join any kind of Anti-China grouping as we still prefer our Non-Alignment stand.and we doesn't need an Anti-China gathering,do we??what we actually need is that a strong multi nation gathering to counter the storm that is brewing in the South China Sea and Pacific.
 
even your country is saying this joke is forming NATO..so,I think you should watch this "Big Joke" very carefully.and about UN,China is one of the permanent member of security council.so,what does it make??the punch line??beware what you are saying..

that is one of many China goal. which is succeeded.
 
Japan is grasping at straw. China's influence in that region is too strong, in particular economic, for other nations to go against China militarily. Any nation does that will find themselves holding the begging bowls.
 
that is one of many China goal. which is succeeded.

I don't think you understand what i said..if UN is a big joke,then what is the objective of being a permanent member of the security council of UN itself??
 
Japan and Philippines align strategic interests

SINGAPORE - Japan and the Philippines recently launched joint initiatives in security cooperation to reinvigorate their strategic partnership. Seven decades after Japan's invasion of the Philippine archipelago, Tokyo announced the donation of 10 new patrol ships valued at US$11 million each to the Philippine Coast Guard. The unprecedented gesture reflected a renewed vibrancy in bilateral ties.

Japanese and Filipino diplomats and maritime officials met in Manila on February 22 to discuss maritime cooperation in the South China Sea, maritime security and safety, anti-piracy measures, fisheries and marine scientific research.

The bilateral engagement has been driven by two key strategic factors: 1) a common perception that China represents an existential threat, and 2) domestic political and economic considerations by the Philippine government.

With the return of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to power, Japan is shadowing the United States with its own ''pivot'' to Southeast Asia. Manila, which is currently bolstering partnerships with various regional allies to strengthen its defense capabilities, is poised to play a vital role in Tokyo's nascent strategic realignment.

The joint initiatives are in clear response to Beijing's rising assertiveness in the East and South China seas, where Japan and the Philippines have respective intensifying territorial disputes with China.

China has challenged Japanese sovereignty over the contested Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, which have emerged as a new regional security hot spot. Japan has claimed that a Chinese naval frigate locked its fire-control radar onto a Japanese ship in the area of the disputed islands in January.

After a weeks-long stand-off between Chinese and Philippine maritime vessels last year that threatened to escalate into an armed exchange, Beijing now has de facto control over the Philippine-claimed Scarborough Shoal, a maritime fixture in the South China Sea believed to be rich in oil and gas.

During talks in Manila last January, the foreign ministers of Japan and the Philippines expressed ''mutual concern'' over China's growing assertiveness in staking its territorial claims in contested maritime areas.

The Philippine government went as far as to say it would staunchly back a rearmed Japan shorn of its pacifist constitution to counter-balance China in the Asia-Pacific. Philippine President Benigno Aquino stated that a stronger Japan could challenge the ''threatening'' presence of China in the region.

The transfer of new patrol boats, expected to be delivered within 18 months, will bolster the Philippines' laggard naval capabilities. Though the vessels will not tilt the naval balance of power in the South China Sea, they will boost the Philippines' maritime domain awareness and advance Japan's strategic aims in Southeast Asia.

A better-equipped Philippine Coast Guard will no doubt help Japan to monitor China's maritime activities in the South China Sea. For Japan, rising territorial tensions in the South China Sea serve as a test case for how China might react in the Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute.

Moreover, Japan likely sees that increasing the number of available vessels that the Philippines can deploy to secure its territorial claims, China's maritime agencies' attention and resources will be divided between the East and South China seas.

Enhancing the capabilities of the Philippines' ill-equipped maritime agencies will also enable them to better protect freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, including the unhindered flow of Japanese maritime traffic.

The burgeoning Japan-Philippines partnership may also be assessed within the broader context of Manila's effort to internationalize the South China Sea disputes. The Philippines has consistently sought wider support from its allies, including its treaty ally the United States, in dealing with China's assertiveness.

Manila recently brought its territorial disputes with Beijing to an Arbitration Tribunal under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. China, which has insisted it will only negotiate its expansive claims on a bilateral basis, strongly condemned the move.

While China's perceived threat is paramount to the Philippines' strategic calculus, domestic considerations are likewise shaping the contours of Japan-Philippines strategic ties. Japan, the world's third largest economy, is viewed by President Benigno Aquino's administration as a major driver of future economic growth.

Although China is the Association of Southeast Asian Nation's (ASEAN) biggest trading partner, Japan is still the Philippines' top trade partner with total trade exceeding $13 billion last year. Japan also remains the Philippines' top export market and primary source of investment, comprising around 35% of total foreign direct investment ($1.5 billion) in 2012.

Unlike his predecessor Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, Aquino has appeared to be less receptive to Beijing's commercial incentives. Elected on an anti-corruption platform, Aquino has moved to cancel certain Chinese-funded projects initiated under Arroyo that were marred by irregularities.

While Manila is currently repaying a concessional Chinese loan for a now-scuttled railway project, Tokyo is generously extending official development assistance (ODA) to support Aquino's big-ticket infrastructure projects, including an extension of Manila's Metro Rail Transit system and airport construction.

Japan has also poured ODA into the southern Philippine island of Mindanao, where Aquino's government has brokered a hopeful new framework agreement for peace with the rebel Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). While Aquino clearly views a final peace accord as key to his legacy, Japan has contributed significantly to the process through generous development projects.

The Japan-Bangsamoro Initiatives for Reconstruction and Development, or J-BIRD, aim to enable the people of Mindanao ''to enjoy the dividends of peace'', according to the Japanese government. Tokyo has already implemented socio-economic infrastructure projects amounting to $136 million in targeted areas. Japan is a member of both the International Monitoring Team and International Contact Group that served as an observer during the peace talks.

The convergence of Japan's and the Philippines' threat perceptions of China will ultimately determine the depth of the two sides' strategic cooperation. At the same time, domestic concerns have also influenced Manila's receptiveness to Tokyo's soft power diplomacy and strategic overtures. For Manila, bilateral ties with Tokyo have moved from platitudes and rhetoric to genuinely empowering military assets and economic assistance.

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-140313.html







Some in ASEAN want closer ties: Japan minister



TOKYO: Some southeast Asian nations want one-time foe Japan to play an active role in regional security, Tokyo said Thursday, as countries seek a balance for China's growing clout.

Vice-minister level representatives from Japan and the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) ended a two-day gathering at a Tokyo hotel, that comes as several participating nations are embroiled in sovereignty rows with Beijing.

"The two sides shared a recognition of the importance of further strengthening their partnership in security and defence," Japan's vice defence minister Hironori Kanazawa said following the meeting.

Some ASEAN members voiced their expectation that "Japan would play a more active role" in the stabilisation of the security environment in the region, he said.

He did not specify which countries he was talking about or how many.

Japan's often brutal march through Asia in the first half of the 20th century left a lingering distrust, even after Tokyo's total defeat in 1945.

But decades of peaceful growth that often went hand-in-hand with liberal sprinklings of aid and investment in the region softened its image.

China's growing might and confidence in pressing its far-flung territorial claims, meanwhile, have seen Beijing rub up against a number of neighbours, with some -- particularly Vietnam and the Philippines -- openly expressing disquiet.

That in turn has left some looking for Tokyo to play a more assertive role as a way to counterbalance China.

Akinori Eto, another vice defence minister, said Japan also had an interest in closer co-operation.

"At a time when the security circumstances in the region are continuing to change, ASEAN countries are playing a significant role for our country," he said.

"The region has common challenges such as maritime security and territorial disputes. In order to tackle these issues, defence authorities are urged to boost cooperation further."

Japan, along with several members of ASEAN have locked horns with China over separate territorial disputes.

Relations between Beijing and Tokyo have deteriorated badly over the last year as the two sides argued about the sovereignty of Tokyo-controlled islands in the East China Sea.

ASEAN members Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei, as well as China and Taiwan, have claims to parts of the South China Sea, which contains some of the world's most important shipping lanes and is believed to be rich in fossil fuels.

Simmering tensions over the issue have risen in the past two years, with the Philippines and Vietnam accusing China of becoming increasingly aggressive.

Susumu Yamakage, professor of international politics at Aoyama Gakuin University in Tokyo, said closer ties with ASEAN members made sense for Tokyo.

"Waters in Southeast Asia are also important for Japan," Yamakage told a seminar following the meeting. "Its security cooperation with ASEAN countries is quite conceivable and very important."


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1259926/1/.html


another interesting development(not directly on this topic)

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/03/china-didnt-see-this-coming/274042/
 
I don't think you understand what i said..if UN is a big joke,then what is the objective of being a permanent member of the security council of UN itself??

how can you make UN as a joke if youre not a permanent member of it?
 
Well, an military alliance can start with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines and Laos. More countries can join later.

:coffee:

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Where's the Beef in this sandwich your proposing? Japan will be at a great disadvantage when she realize she will be the only member in the group who have any "meat" in them.
 
you are quite right..but India made it clear that it'll not join any kind of Anti-China grouping as we still prefer our Non-Alignment stand.and we doesn't need an Anti-China gathering,do we??what we actually need is that a strong multi nation gathering to counter the storm that is brewing in the South China Sea and Pacific.

YOu misunderstood my point actually.

What i say is, if either Japan, South Korea or Australia Joined or have anything to do with ASEAN, then ASEAN is not an orgnaisation for Asia, but a simple Anti-Chinese Organisation

However, if ASEAN seek Indian participation, then it would be a balancing move for asiatic region.

It cannot be a more clearer indication than this.
 
simple
behind NATO there is major power which is US which don't allow the alliances to fight each other.
for south east asia do you expect that japan command ASEAN lol
remind me again which country that Japan invaded in the past.

lol so your logic is ASEAN = vietnam + philippines

don't worry about philippine mama USA might be help them.
for vietnam well they had a big mouth which is scary.

Might sir we have MDT with them they have to help us but we are making our own buy F50 golden eagles LIFTS and the new Inchon class frigates is a start along with our upgrades for the Goyo classes frigates we have

simple
behind NATO there is major power which is US which don't allow the alliances to fight each other.
for south east asia do you expect that japan command ASEAN lol
remind me again which country that Japan invaded in the past.

lol so your logic is ASEAN = vietnam + philippines

don't worry about philippine mama USA might be help them.
for vietnam well they had a big mouth which is scary.

Might sir we have MDT with them they have to help us but we are making our own buy F50 golden eagles LIFTS and the new Inchon class frigates is a start along with our upgrades for the Goyo classes frigates we have
 

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