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A peaceful world is when everyone's "our land" is respected. You advocate China's "our land" being more important than others. So China is the trouble maker. It's the Post-Cold War world now. China became the world's second largest economy peacefully in this Post-Cold War world. Not the mongols.. Why are they coming up with these excuses based on the far past and disregarding the present is beyond me. Congrats on your confirmation in tribalism, imperialism, and recognize willingness to troll for it. You can believe that Japan is a "vassal" or a "client state" but even according to your presented definition of Japan, it is still that Japanese people have greater freedom in politics, speech, and religion than Chinese citizens have in their own country. Saying that shouldn't be confused as being anti-China. But the CCP government has put up so many walls of restrictions on speech, limits in political participation, and internet control, to such an extant that speaking against it is confused as being anti-Chinese rather than what is normally speaking fair criticisms against the government. So even according to your belief of Japan's "client state" or "vassal", siding with the US is still better. But of course, as shown by points I made here that have been ignored such as Japan initiative on the Senkaku island nationalization, it is not even as "vassal" as you think. Bluntly put, China has no hope in breaking down Japan's preference for the US.

You can't simply annexe our land and ask us to forget? if so why Japan still want so badly to get back kurile Islands and claim the one belong to Korea? We Chinese are not Japanese that like to rewrite the history, Diaoyu Islands is our land and forced to cede to Japan, why different If we conquer Japan and force Japanese to cede all land and their people to China? and then the next day, we then claim what ever the pass is pass, Japanese can't have it back...call me imperialism that's rich from you.
 
You can't simply annexe our land and ask us to forget? if so why Japan still want so badly to get back kurile Islands and claim the one belong to Korea? We Chinese are not Japanese that like to rewrite the history, Diaoyu Islands is our land and forced to cede to Japan, why different If we conquer Japan and force Japanese to cede all land and their people to China? and then the next day, we then claim what ever the pass is pass, Japanese can't have it back...call me imperialism that's rich from you.

Takeshima and the Kuril islands were left unresolved. But Japan hasn't exactly being really pushy in trying to get them back. Has Japan sent ships to go boat ramming with South Korean and Russian ships? China recognized them as Japanese after WW2 and did so for about two decades. It was a done deal. If China wants to be part of an international community, then they have to also recognize that almost all other countries have once in their past had territory that is currently held by a different country. Can't satisfy everyone as far as past territory goes. China is already the biggest by far, thus is getting a pretty good deal in the Post-Cold War world as it is right now. Its not acceptable for China to get away with declaring something belongs to them two decades after not having done so. Don't push your luck..
 
I will always enjoy eating xiao long bao :-)

There you're at least we have something in common which we love our ancestor cultural heritage regardless if come Japanese or Chinese, we share a lot of commonality
Takeshima and the Kuril islands were left unresolved. But Japan hasn't exactly being really pushy in trying to get them back. Has Japan sent ships to go boat ramming with South Korean and Russian ships? China recognized them as Japanese after WW2 and did so for about two decades. It was a done deal. If China wants to be part of an international community, then they have to also recognize that almost all other countries have once in their past hard territory that is currently held by a different country. China is already the biggest by far. Its not acceptable for China to get away with declaring something belongs to them two decades after not having done so.

That's totally wrong what you said, after the Japanese defeat in WW2, all land that Japanese steal or annexed to be returned to their right owner...I think we have discussion over this issue.
 
There you're at least we have something in common which we love our ancestor cultural heritage regardless if come Japanese or Chinese, we share a lot of commonality


That's totally wrong what you said, after the Japanese defeat in WW2, all land that Japanese steal or annexed to be returned to their right owner...I think we have discussion over this issue.

Yeah we talked about already.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/japan-defence-forum.316803/page-128#post-9324652

This is all very boring now.
 
I don't think they are . Look at their anime and video game culture. All their main characters are Caucasian looking and their loser weakling hero is Japanese. They may not kowtow to ancient Chinese emperors but they are extremely terrified of fat man and little boy. Modern Japanese
Well, I just found out Suika is not even a Japanese, so there is no reason to talk about the Japanese in general. Let's leave it at that he has his intension to support Japan and US's containment on China.
 
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Stupid post like these (yeah, we all know its stupid, let's not kid ourselves) is like admitting that one has no good argument left to make but still sticks to their losing argument, because again, tribalism and nationalism. When it gets to this point, how is one supposed to be willing to express some fair points? Getting enough people to go rampage with stupidity results in the total reduction of quality of the whole place in question. An extreme example is Cambodia during Pol Pot. This tribalism and nationalism is making y'all go stupider and stupider.
When CDF was created, it was touted to be THE place for all things Chinese military. Premier and all that jazz.

But what happened was exactly as you said and I highlighted -- times ten. The CDF members -- Chinese and their supporters -- spent most of their time insulting other countries and nationalities more than they do on serious themes that forms the foundation of 'defense'. The result is the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the forum as there were fewer and fewer quality 'defense' related discussions.

Now they are doing the same for this sub-forum.
 
BTW what ever happened to @Aepsilons/nihonjin? Before I started posting on this forum I remember he was a major contributor to all things Japanese.
 
BTW what ever happened to @Aepsilons/nihonjin? Before I started posting on this forum I remember he was a major contributor to all things Japanese.
He left this forum after got exposed for his true identity (not a Japanese). Btw, MOD is very sensitive about this incident, we better not talk about it.
 
He left this forum after got exposed for his true identity (not a Japanese). Btw, MOD is very sensitive about this incident, we better not talk about it.
Oh, that is unfortunate. I recall him posting many pictures of himself.
 
When CDF was created, it was touted to be THE place for all things Chinese military. Premier and all that jazz.

But what happened was exactly as you said and I highlighted -- times ten. The CDF members -- Chinese and their supporters -- spent most of their time insulting other countries and nationalities more than they do on serious themes that forms the foundation of 'defense'. The result is the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the forum as there were fewer and fewer quality 'defense' related discussions.

Now they are doing the same for this sub-forum.

You would think that if they felt China was to be destined to be the the number 1 power in the region and perhaps even in the world in the future based on the last couple of decades of tremendous economic growth, that they would have some feelings of goodwill to spare. Stupidity through the roof.
 
You would think that if they felt China was to be destined to be the the number 1 power in the region and perhaps even in the world in the future based on the last couple of decades of tremendous economic growth, that they would have some feelings of goodwill to spare. Stupidity through the roof.

Last couple of decade, I wouldn't dare to imagine that China is now 2nd world economic power with tremendous technology progress despite of Western sanction. And it's an interesting question you rise, will China destiny to be #1 power? The answer is depend on US on how well it can handle the global issue while China in on the rise, A lot of nations are not please with US foreign policy and waiting for a powerful nation that they can rely on when facing US threat, for now China still don't have military power to play US-Soviet rivalry nevertheless in term of geo-politic and diplomacy we're not inferior to US, the diplomacy skill is within our blood since warren states, we have played and out maneuver ours deadliest historical adversaries to prevail and we certainly know how to play with US.

And I hope that China don't have to come to the point of applying 取而代之 on US, there is a lot room for Sino-US cooperation and both US and China can be #1 and #2, if we forge a close economy and military cooperation, US can be secure the #1 position for centuries to come, Japan and India are just irrelevant to US, the short sighted US strategist are just trying to use these countries to contain and hope to weakening China's rise but their real future will rely on working with China. Throughout China history, China had some set back but we prevail against our adversaries, I believe Chinese ingeniousity will lead our nation to be glorified as during Han and Tang dynasty regardless if we will be or not #1.
 
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Last couple of decade, I wouldn't dare to imagine that China is now 2nd world economic power with tremendous technology progress despite of Western sanction. And it's an interesting question you rise, will China destiny to be #1 power? The answer is depend on US on how well it can handle the global issue while China in on the rise, A lot of nations are not please with US foreign policy and waiting for a powerful nation that they can rely on when facing US threat, for now China still don't have military power to play US-Soviet rivalry nevertheless in term of geo-politic and diplomacy we're not inferior to US, the diplomacy skill is within our blood since warren states, we have played and out maneuver ours deadliest historical adversaries to prevail and we certainly know how to play with US.

And I hope that China don't have to come to the point of applying 取而代之 on US, there is a lot room for Sino-US cooperation and both US and China can be #1 and #2, if we forge a close economy and military cooperation, US can be secure the #1 position for centuries to come, Japan and India are just irrelevant to US, the short sighted US strategist are just trying to use these countries to contain and hope to weakening China's rise but their real future will rely on working with China. Throughout China history, China had some set back but we prevail against our adversaries, I believe Chinese ingeniousity will lead our nation to be glorified as during Han and Tang dynasty regardless if we will be or not #1.

Good luck with charm campaign towards the US. An excellent token would be China's cooperation in denuclearizing North Korea. Can start by demanding the Norks to return the TELs :-)

And good luck in getting the other posters of your camp on these boards to also post in a charming way :-)
 
Japanese put whole East Asia to shame because of their submissive attitude to the US.

I fully agree.
That degree of shamefulness can be well extended to the Japanese worshippers. These lot of people have made the American-worshipping Viets look like angels.

Someone in the academics should do a serious research on the psyche of the Japanese. They live in constant fear of earthquakes, tsunamis and were nuked by the Americans twice; now they are haunted by their own collapsed Nuke plants.
They hate us so much for sending their young people to the almost inhabitable islands, now known as Japan since the Qin dynasty.

When CDF was created, it was touted to be THE place for all things Chinese military. Premier and all that jazz.

But what happened was exactly as you said and I highlighted -- times ten. The CDF members -- Chinese and their supporters -- spent most of their time insulting other countries and nationalities more than they do on serious themes that forms the foundation of 'defense'. The result is the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the forum as there were fewer and fewer quality 'defense' related discussions.

Now they are doing the same for this sub-forum.

Then why you are here, bitching about the the above case all the fucking time and again and again, like an old lady who got short-changed for a few cents once by a grocery vendor BUT crying 365 days in a year back home?!

Talkiing about "insult" - YOU and your accomplices have a long track records of insulting Chinese.
Tit-4-Tat get it?

On topic:

China’s claim it has ‘quantum’ radar may leave $17 billion F-35 naked
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...d/news-story/207ac01ff3107d21a9f36e54b6f0fbab

CHINA claims its ‘quantum’ radar can detect stealth fighters. Does this mean our ultra-expensive F-35 is obsolete before we get it?

Jamie Seidel
News Corp Australia Network
February 27, 201711:35am


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CHINA claims it has a radical new ‘quantum’ radar capable of detecting stealth fighters at great distances. Does this mean our ultra-expensive new F-35 is obsolete, even before we get it?

The RAAF’s first F-35’s will be making their debut Australian appearance at the Avalon air show this week. It’s not a combat-capable aircraft, yet, though the first partially operational US squadron of the type was deployed to Japan earlier this year.

But Beijing state media has boasted its scientists have successfully tested a new type of radar capable of defeating stealth technology at ranges out to 100km.

With a single stroke, such a capability would render the $US1 trillion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program obsolete. This includes Australia’s $17 billion investment in some 72 examples of the controversial aircraft.

Existing radars cast beams of radio waves into the sky, with sensors detecting reflections from aircraft or ships. The whole point of stealth technology is to minimise such reflections.

But what if the beam was something other than a radio wave?

What if Albert Einstein’s mysterious “spooky action at a distance” could be harnessed?

Billions of dollars and decades of research invested in developing radio-absorbing materials and airframes optimised towards reflecting such waves away from a receiver would be made meaningless overnight.

For the first time, early warning could be given of an approaching stealth aircraft.

This would give defenders time to prepare and counter-attack.

So is it even possible?

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An Operations Specialist watches a radar display aboard the USS Coronado operating in the South China Sea. The ability to ‘see’ stealth aircraft largely negates their threat. Picture: US NavySource:Supplied

QUANTUM QUANDARY

The new sensor technology uses concepts on the edge of our scientific understanding.

And a Chinese state-owned technology group late last year declared it had mastered it.

The new technology had “important military application values” because it could identify aircraft and ships “invisible” to conventional radar systems, a press statement read.

Understanding that technology exposes its full potential.

A photon is a particle with wavelike properties that carries energy without mass. We usually hear of it in terms of light, but it is the basis of all electromagnetic radiation.

Where radar sends out a beam of photons as radio waves, quantum radar uses entangled photons.

Put simply, entangled photons are two separate photons that share a deep quantum link. The upshot is the photons mirror each other’s behaviour when one of them is influenced in some way.

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In terms of radar, a crystal can be used to ‘split’ such entangled photons and cast one into the sky.

For a time at least, the twin photons retain their ‘spooky’ link — mirroring the same responses to the environment the other encounters.

It’s a quirk of quantum physics which strained the understanding of Albert Einstein when he grappled with the idea in the 1930s.

Quantum radar would send out bursts of photons while retaining their ‘pairs’. The changes in behaviour of the retained photon would then reveal what’s happening to the photon in the beam.

Ultimately, the point is the same: the entangled photons bounce back to a sensor which can then compute course, speed and size.

But the use of tangled photons has a second major benefit over radio waves.

It’s not likely to be jammed.

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The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II banks hard at the Farnborough Airshow, south west of London, last year. Quantum radar appears impossible to jam or confuse. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

UNBREAKABLE LOCK

Apart from absorbing or reflecting away its radio beams, conventional radar can also be jammed by transmitting ‘white noise’ on the same frequencies.

This isn’t possible with entangled photons.

While the photons are separated by their beam, they retain their quantum link.

Attempting to break that link would be a giveaway. And any attempt to distort the behaviour of one of the pair would be equally noticeable.

The same applies to advanced materials.

Where modern composites can ‘trap’ radio waves within their molecular structure, whatever happens to an entangled photon would be replicated — and measured — in its paired mate back at the radar site.

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And different materials affect protons in different ways.

Because of this, analysts say quantum radar could ultimately be capable of determining what an aircraft is made of — or even carrying.

At one level this would eliminate the effectiveness of decoys. At another, it could identify which aircraft — or missile — is carrying nuclear warheads.

And, unlike existing radar, their transmissions would not be detectable.

Any stealth aircraft would not know it had been ‘seen’.

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An F-35 undergoes operational testing aboard a US Marine amphibious assault carrier last year. The stealth fighter’s abilities are limited by the need for stealth. Picture: US NavySource:Supplied

STEALTH SHOT-DOWN?

The implications of such quantum radar are enormous.

If true, it could negate the effectiveness of the single aircraft in which all the West’s defence hopes lay — the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

This controversial aircraft is 10 years overdue and billions of dollars over budget.

And this is all due to its complete reliance on an ability to fly unseen.

What if it was visible?

It carriers fewer weapons, flies slower and is less manoeuvrable than its predecessors. But all this was justified on the basis that its design was optimised to be invisible to radar.

Take that invisibility away and the F-35 looks much less capable than its counterparts.

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One of Australia’s first F-35 Strike Fighters displays its RAAF markings. Losing its ability to fly ‘unseen’ will leave the fighter vulnerable. Picture: DefenceSource:Supplied

REALITY CHECK

Despite the ominous sounding properties of this unbeatable radar, the foibles of quantum mechanics make the actual exploitation of such technology incredibly difficult.

Photon pairs degrade. The longer one photon remains in the outside environment, the more stress is placed on the link with its partner. It’s called quantum decoherence.

This has implications for a quantum radar’s maximum range: keeping the photons paired for the time it takes one to cover 100km represents an enormous technical challenge.

Maker of the F-35 Lockheed Martin has itself been attempting to develop the new technology over the past decade. Its progress remains unreported.

Beijing media asserts successful tests of China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC) quantum radar has produced results “500 per cent” better than Western examples.

The truth of this is likely to remain unknown for some considerable time, given the defence and corporate secrecy attached to such projects.
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Good luck with charm campaign towards the US. An excellent token would be China's cooperation in denuclearizing North Korea. Can start by demanding the Norks to return the TELs :-)

And good luck in getting the other posters of your camp on these boards to also post in a charming way :-)

It's not a charm campaign but interest, all nations are working for their national interest :

For over 40 years, US couldn't stop China's rise and Americans know very well if the trend continue, China will eventually replace US as world #1 economy and great potential to Challenge US supremacy in the future by changing the rule of the game and international order to fit China's vision and interest such as using Yuan as international standard currency instead of US dollard. But if US accept China as strategic partner, not only it will prevent itself of been overwritten by China but continue to access competitive cheap supply chain, access to China market but even use China as HUB to distribute American products throughout Asia, the bottom line it's US want to ensure their future in Asia and China is the key.
Labeling Chinas as strategic competitor will bring US nowhere but make matter worst for US's interest.

And for over 40 years China couldn't stop of milking US with trade surplus to improve Chinese living standard, it's in China interest to keep working to accommodate US as long as US don't cross our red ligne, so US can have it quest for global domination at their own expense and continue to claim to be #1.

I remember when China-US create a strategic economic dialogue, Japanese scholars were so upset because they're so afraid that China and US will sit and define their interest at the expense of Japan, they certainly don't want to have a 2nd PLAZZA accord as US and EU had settled screw Japan in 1980s.

Denuclearized NK is a way to go but US has to stop using pressure tactic to deal with NK such as military exercise, NK has taken the lesson from Iraq, without deterrence US will act like a mad dog, NKorean certainly don't like to see their country devastated like Iraqian cities, nor China would like to see that happened in Korean peninsula.
 
Talkiing about "insult" - YOU and your accomplices have a long track records of insulting Chinese.
And yet none of you ever provide proofs of those insults. By the way, challenging Chinese claims on a technical basis does not constitute 'insult'.

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That must be difficult for you to do.

Billions of dollars and decades of research invested in developing radio-absorbing materials and airframes optimised towards reflecting such waves away from a receiver would be made meaningless overnight.
Yup...That was what the Russians and the Chinese said about 'long wavelengths' radars.
 

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