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It's not a charm campaign but interest, all nations are working for their national interest :

For over 40 years, US couldn't stop China's rise and Americans know very well if the trend continue, China will eventually replace US as world #1 economy and great potential to Challenge US supremacy in the future by changing the rule of the game and international order to fit China's vision and interest such as using Yuan as international standard currency instead of US dollard. But if US accept China as strategic partner, not only it will prevent itself of been overwritten by China but continue to access competitive cheap supply chain, access to China market but even use China as HUB to distribute American products throughout Asia, the bottom line it's US want to ensure their future in Asia and China is the key.
Labeling Chinas as strategic competitor will bring US nowhere but make matter worst for US's interest.

And for over 40 years China couldn't stop of milking US with trade surplus to improve Chinese living standard, it's in China interest to keep working to accommodate US as long as US don't cross our red ligne, so US can have it quest for global domination at their own expense and continue to claim to be #1.

I remember when China-US create a strategic economic dialogue, Japanese scholars were so upset because they're so afraid that China and US will sit and define their interest at the expense of Japan, they certainly don't want to have a 2nd PLAZZA accord as US and EU had settled screw Japan in 1980s.

Denuclearized NK is a way to go but US has to stop using pressure tactic to deal with NK such as military exercise, NK has taken the lesson from Iraq, without deterrence US will act like a mad dog, NKorean certainly don't like to see their country devastated like Iraqian cities, nor China would like to see that happened in Korean peninsula.

Before the accord, the yen was very weak in value. By the 1980s, Japan achieved high level manufacturing technology that no longer justified a weak yen that gave it compeitive cost advantage. The yen could no longer remain as weak as it was.

Again GL about those "if the US just blah blah blah for China, then good result for US and China under a rainbow with flowers and butterflies but with Japan being screwed" ideas. It's an A + ?? = C.
 
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Before the accord, the yen was very weak in value. By the 1980s, Japan achieved high level manufacturing technology that no longer justified a weak yen that gave it compeitive cost advantage. The yen could no longer remain as weak as it was.

Again GL about those "if the US just blah blah blah for China, then good result for US and China under a rainbow with flowers and butterflies but with Japan being screwed" ideas. It's an A + ?? = C.

Lol Japan really tasted American's bad medicine with Plazza accord and since that time, Japan never rise again but live in stagnation. And yes it's just a blah blah blah, what else you expect? Nevertheless what I said it the true if US want to remain #1, the only way is to forge a strategic partner with China and that is the lasting Japan want to see it happen because it will make Japan irrelevant.
 
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Lol Japan really tasted American's bad medicine with Plazza accord and since that time, Japan never rise again but live in stagnation. And yes it's just a blah blah blah, what else you expect? Nevertheless what I said it the true if US want to remain #1, the only way is to forge a strategic partner with China and that is the lasting Japan want to see it happen because it will make Japan irrelevant.

I think you are underestimating the colossal task of getting the US and China to become stragegic partners, i.e. Russia. Either Russia and the US also become strategic partners or China breaks up with Russia. And that is not all.

Face it, 50,000 US troops are based in Japan. And it isn't just 50,000 plain infantry. Its a forward deployed US carrier strike group, nuclear subs, forward deployed Wasp-class, and so on. It is essentially the US's base operation in the western pacific. Its going to take an enormous amount for China to persuade the US to relocate out.

You keep talking fantasy. Quit embarrassing yourself already.
 
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And yet none of you ever provide proofs of those insults. By the way, challenging Chinese claims on a technical basis does not constitute 'insult'.
you have been busted countless times over your 'professional' tenure on the forum.
It is a huge comedy you were using the bluffing tactics for the innocent and timid. Many of the quotes of reference were of a technical nature which you only understand the generics but nothing beyond first few lines in the 'extract' section.


That must be difficult for you to do.

I still have a lot to learn from your trolling skills as a matter of fact.


Yup...That was what the Russians and the Chinese said about 'long wavelengths' radars.
The article was not authored by Chinese nor Russians.
You failed again in this simple reading exercise.
 
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you have been busted countless times over your 'professional' tenure on the forum.
It is a huge comedy you were using the bluffing tactics for the innocent and timid. Many of the quotes of reference were of a technical nature which you only understand the generics but nothing beyond first few lines in the 'extract' section.
Countless, eh? Show me just one.

The article was not authored by Chinese nor Russians.
You failed again in this simple reading exercise.
Does not matter if it was 'authorized' or not. YOU brought on the article, it is fair game for criticisms.
 
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I think you are underestimating the colossal task of getting the US and China to become stragegic partners, i.e. Russia. Either Russia and the US also become strategic partners or China breaks up with Russia. And that is not all.

Face it, 50,000 US troops are based in Japan. And it isn't just 50,000 plain infantry. Its a forward deployed US carrier strike group, nuclear subs, forward deployed Wasp-class, and so on. It is essentially the US's base operation in the western pacific. Its going to take an enormous amount for China to persuade the US to relocate out.

You keep talking fantasy. Quit embarrassing yourself already.

I think you confuse yourself from Strategic partner to strategic ally, China is certainly have no interest to join US against Russia, I had not mention anything about Sino-US military alliance, What I said is that China can offer more to US than Japan to secure their future in Asia, And not we're very glade that US remain in Japan keep Japan on check, not to allow them revive the militarism. And I'm not talking fantasy I just offer an alternative Idea for American to explore, let them run a simulation of what is the best for their long term future: China or Japan? after all it's Americans to decide their own nation interests.
 
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I think you confuse yourself from Strategic partner to strategic ally, China is certainly have no interest to join US against Russia, I had not mention anything about Sino-US military alliance, What I said is that China can offer more to US than Japan to secure their future in Asia, And not we're very glade that US remain in Japan keep Japan on check, not to allow them revive the militarism. And I'm not talking fantasy I just offer an alternative Idea for American to explore, let them run a simulation of what is the best for their long term future: China or Japan? after all it's Americans to decide their own nation interests.

You are talking fantasy. You got an A in troll class. Talking to you anymore is just more practice for you to enhence your trolling. I say that because you keep talking in theoritical terms that is separate to events that are actually going on. Your arguments temporally forsake China's interest for the sake of winning an impression debate. But you always fail to describe exactly what the US would have to do in relation to specific existing points such as North Korea, Taiwan, the South China Sea, etc., for becoming a said "strategic partner". Doing so would highlight how much of a fantasy it is. The US and Japan do seek better relations with China, but it is China that has to compromise on those geopolitical points, not either the US or Japan.
 
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Feb. 14 2018 - 09:02
Putin's Arms Buildup Puts Abe on Defensive in Islands Dispute

(Bloomberg) — Russia is accelerating a military buildup on islands claimed by Japan, threatening to blow a hole in Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s efforts to lure President Vladimir Putin into settling the dispute.

The government in Tokyo lodged a formal protest after 2,000 Russian troops held military exercises last week on the four islands, called the Southern Kurils in Russia and the Northern Territories in Japan. A few days before, Russia paved the way for its first military airbase in the area.

Russia’s twin strikes came as diplomats from both countries met Feb. 6 to discuss joint economic development of the territories. Abe the next day marked Japan’s annual “Northern Territories Day” with a pledge that he and Putin would resolve the “abnormal” lack of a peace treaty after World War II.

Failure to end the dispute over the islands seized by Soviet troops at the end of the war would deal a severe blow to Abe, who’s poured time and energy into seeking a breakthrough since coming to power in 2012. For the Kremlin, cooler ties with Tokyo may put at risk promised Japanese investment and undermine Russian efforts to peel away a key U.S. ally. While determined to stay close to the U.S., Abe’s eager to strike a deal with Russia partly to counterbalance China’s growing economic and military power in the region.

‘Unrealistic Ideas’
“The Japanese side has unrealistic ideas about the possible time frame for all this,” said Fyodor Lukyanov, head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, a research group that advises the Kremlin. Russia’s expanding its military presence “to damp expectations,” he said.

The two leaders have met 20 times, including at a hot springs resort in Abe’s hometown of Nagato in 2016. He’s due to visit Putin’s hometown in May to address the annual St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

The premier’s also under fire at home. “It’s good to have warm relations at the top level, but just because you are friends doesn’t mean they will give the islands back,” said Yasuhide Nakayama, chairman of the foreign affairs committee in Japan’s lower house of parliament and a member of Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party. Russia’s military exercises sent “the worst possible message,” he said.

Russia sent a clear signal that it’s in no rush. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov cautioned in a state television interview on Sunday that Russia and Japan need to build up their relations before reaching a territorial agreement, a process he said took more than 40 years with China.

“The Japanese side is in a hurry,” and there’ll be “enormous disappointment” if there’s no progress, said James Brown, an expert in Russo-Japanese relations at Temple University in Tokyo.

Break Deadlock
Abe sought to break the deadlock in 2016 by proposing a joint plan to develop the windswept territories, which lie 15 miles (25 kilometers) from Japan’s Hokkaido Island. He offered help in fish farming, greenhouse farming, tourism, wind power and waste recycling. While Russia welcomes the idea, the initiative has barely advanced because of a disagreement over whether the ventures would operate under Russian law.

That’s a critical condition for Tokyo, because any dilution of Russian sovereignty could allow it to accept an offer first made by Moscow in 1956 to return the two smaller islands, said Brown.

“If they can get a foothold back onto the islands, even with these small projects, then it means Japanese businesses are there, Japanese citizens can work there,” he said. “They can package that as a stepping-stone toward the return of all the islands.”

Russia, for its part, has secured promises of major Japanese energy investments, including in offshore developments and LNG projects in Sakhalin and the Arctic, offering Putin the chance to ease pressure on his economy from U.S. and European sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine.


Military Footprint
But he’s shown no willingness for compromise on the islands, convinced that Abe has a greater need for a pact because of Japan’s growing concern over China.

Meanwhile, tensions have grown since Russia in 2016 expanded its military footprint on the Kurils, deploying anti-ship missile batteries, upgrading an artillery division and floating plans for a naval port for large warships. Most recently, it approved warplanes’ use of a newly-opened airport.

Putin cast doubts on progress over the peace treaty in November as Russia reacted angrily to Japan’s decision to buy another U.S. anti-missile defense system to counter the threat from North Korea. Japan insists the system doesn’t threaten Russia.

Russia’s military escalation “is a response to U.S. actions because we have no other enemies in this region,” said Alexander Lukin, an Asia expert at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations. “There’s also a psychological moment — Russia wants to demonstrate that it’s our territory and we aren’t prepared to surrender it to anyone.”


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https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putins-arms-buildup-puts-abe-on-defensive-in-islands-dispute-60498

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Japan like to stir up trouble for China, they think that they could use Vietnam, India, SCS nations against China because we have territory disputes with these nations and we don't have option to retaliate because Japan doesn't have enemy beside NK. SK is US ally so they can't be used by China against them so China is their only nightmare but Japan nightmare is not end here, the worst thing they hope not to happen with Kurils islands has arrived :lol:, China don't even need any effort to stir up trouble for Japan.
 
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You are talking fantasy. You got an A in troll class. Talking to you anymore is just more practice for you to enhence your trolling. I say that because you keep talking in theoritical terms that is separate to events that are actually going on. Your arguments temporally forsake China's interest for the sake of winning an impression debate. But you always fail to describe exactly what the US would have to do in relation to specific existing points such as North Korea, Taiwan, the South China Sea, etc., for becoming a said "strategic partner". Doing so would highlight how much of a fantasy it is. The US and Japan do seek better relations with China, but it is China that has to compromise on those geopolitical points, not either the US or Japan.

Japan and US do seek better relations with China? please don't spread your lie, they're so concern with China's rise and stir up trouble for China by provoking SCS nations and India against us and having military build up around China with so call the first island chain..are these a friendly intention?LMAO. But it doesn't matter that didn't stop China from rising and only motivate China to even further developing sophisticate weapon to counter US and Japan, when US realize that any provocation is futile then they will learn to give up Japan for China as they did with Taiwan if they still want to save themselves for the #1 podium.
 
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Japan and US do seek better relations with China? please don't spread your lie, they're so concern with China's rise and stir up trouble for China by provoking SCS nations and India against us and having military build up around China with so call the first island chain..are these a friendly intention?LMAO. But it doesn't matter that didn't stop China from rising and only motivate China to even further developing sophisticate weapon to counter US and Japan, when US realize that any provocation is futile then they will learn to give up Japan for China as they did with Taiwan if they still want to save themselves for the #1 podium.

Yeah, they gave up on Taiwan, sure. I wonder why China still sounds upset about Taiwan.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1089576.shtml
I've wasted enough time with your trolling. You can get the last word and say w/e you want.
 
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Yeah, they gave up on Taiwan, sure. I wonder why China still sounds upset about Taiwan.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1089576.shtml
I've wasted enough time with your trolling. You can get the last word and say w/e you want.

US gave up Taiwan and had diplomatic relation with China was undeniable fact, sure such bad loser US like to play Taiwan card to extract concession from China, this like bandit playing blackmail game because American still believe that we still couldn't do nothing as retaliation, sure China is upset because we still not yet united with Taiwan and let US to play such dirty game. And don't worry I don't consider that as a waste of my time on you because you don't have much to say other than accuse me of trolling and you don't have to reply to me if you don't like.
 
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If Russia / China can neutralize Japan , US will automatically run for covers back to their mainland.

Picking a fight with Russia/China + North Korea is a death sentence for Japan

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Keep making good anime , but keep yourself out of war - not needed learn the lesson
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Japanese should just keep themselves out of war
 
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