J-31 possibly being tested & evaluated in Pakistan

[LKJ86]

Chinese are selling J-10 latest verision for 65+ million

How do you know that?

 

[Asian.Century]

It is said that FC-31 has got the orders from PLAAF/PLAN.

Any link to Proof that? PLAAF/PLAN ordering J-31s.

 

[LKJ86]

Any link to Proof that? PLAAF/PLAN ordering J-31s.

There is no official news.
But that's a very high probability.

 

[jupiter2007]

How do you know that?

I was the one negotiating the price. lol
It’s a known issue, that was one of the reason for not acquiring J-10 and spend the money on Jf-17 block 3 development.

 

[LKJ86]

I was the one negotiating the price. lol
It’s a known issue, that was one of the reason for not acquiring J-10 and spend the money on Jf-17 block 3 development.

I think it is a smart decision.

 

[IceCold]

My God, Look at this beauty. It looks almost identical to the US F-22. Having said that if Pakistan really wishes to learn a thing or two, i agree we should become part of this project.

You are either not paying attention to what is being written or clearly fixated on your idea which is not a good thing.
I know what J31 is. What you are not understanding is that without PLAAF/PLAN backup the Chinese input into it will be minimal and all expenses for development will be incurred by the PAF. AS SUCH there is a genuine possibility that after having sunk in 1-2 billion dollars or even more you may not have a product to fly. This is the risk which PAF after being stung by the Chinese reneging on the JFT deal is not going to take. J31 looks good to the eye but is it really a product to take on and develop is something only PAF can tell you. In the economic world of armaments if you have got someone by their short and curlies on a research product you suck them for everything they have got which is why there have been no takers for J31. This is my last post on the topic.
Regards

Araz sb China isnt going to fund this project, their priories are set on J-20. If Pakistan needs to develop its own aviation industry, now would be a good time to become part of the project. Yes the risk factor is there as you mentioned and we might end up paying way more than otherwise but look at the bright side if all goes well, imagine the wealth of knowledge PAF will learn from this project and the years it is going to propel our aviation industry.
J-20 is not on sale and whether it becomes available or not is highly debatable. So do you think we can afford to wait while our neighbour is gunning for the F-35? The only way for the PAF to survive an air battle with the Indians is if we can get our hands on a 5th generation fighter much before India does even in small numbers this is going to add some serious punch to our mix of JF-17 and F-16s.

 

[LKJ86]

Araz sb China isnt going to fund this project, their priories are set on J-20.

I don't think so.

 

[IceCold]

I don't think so.

So far they havent and Shenyang is financing the project on their own, correct? Maybe they do however Chinese priorities are well defined and that is the J-20 and not J-31. They need a heavy air superiority fighter which the J-20 fits in. J-31 is for the export market. I think it would be wise for the PAF to become partners in the project. Once the project is up and running, PAF will have a share in the project just like JF-17.

 

[LKJ86]

So far they havent and Shenyang is financing the project on their own, correct? Maybe they do however Chinese priorities are well defined and that is the J-20 and not J-31. They need a heavy air superiority fighter which the J-20 fits in. J-31 is for the export market. I think it would be wise for the PAF to become partners in the project. Once the project is up and running, PAF will have a share in the project just like JF-17.

China still needs another one for PLAN/PLAAF, just like F-22&F-35.

 

[IceCold]

China still needs another one for PLAN/PLAAF, just like F-22&F-35.

If that is the case, than all the better for us as this way we will not be too much worried about the cost overtures.

 

[LKJ86]

If that is the case, than all the better for us as this way we will not be too much worried about the cost overtures.

But I don't think it is a good news to Pakistan.
The development of FC-31 will be based on the demands of PLAN/PLAAF, unlike the JF-17.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Bhai.
The plane is a mere prototype. At Prototype stage we have heard of a weak engine, and no interest from PLAN. When you put a protoype up for sale you are looking for a benefactor to fund the project. The cost could run into billions as all the niggles are ironed out to give you a viable and functioning product. The time could easily run into 7-10 yrs.This is even before you get your first low rate production model. So for 40 planes your basic costing will be cost(say 60 million+1/40 of 1 billion =25 million. Then add cost of developing infrastucture, armaments, radars, other goodies and you could easily go past 120- 130 million. If anything goes wrong and more money and time is needed you may have sunk your billion dollars and still need more. Look at the development cost of the F35 as an example. This is not a good idea. The better idea would be to wait and see whether the PLAN chooses the J31, let them foot the bill for its development, mature the platform and then go and buy 40 units.PLAN needs are such that with 250 platforms ordered the development costs will get diluted and you may end up paying 80-90 million per unit. I hope that explains the situation. Eventually if J31 does not come online, J20 will be put up for sale to PAF in 2023-25 bracket.
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Sir g , What if PAF get J-31 with full ToT , Does PLAN not buying effect this deal too? and yes fact is, J-31 still a prototype and first operational bird will come out in 2020+(At least) 2 to 4 more years to go.

 

[Akasa]

I don't think so.

What makes you think that the PLAAF or PLAN has a high chance of purchasing FC-31?

 

[Readerdefence]

So far they havent and Shenyang is financing the project on their own, correct? Maybe they do however Chinese priorities are well defined and that is the J-20 and not J-31. They need a heavy air superiority fighter which the J-20 fits in. J-31 is for the export market. I think it would be wise for the PAF to become partners in the project. Once the project is up and running, PAF will have a share in the project just like JF-17.

Hi just a Q my friend what do you say where it will fit in for Chinese j31 PLAF or PlANAF
As my understanding is j31 is going to be for their Naval air arm and for that they still have
Sometime to put up this bird on their coming out ACC as the latest ACC still have to be fully operational at least 2 years down the line so to counter f35 the only option in near future out of the first island chain is j31
Your input will be appreciated
Thank you

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

J-31 Program is at an ideal stage for investment by PAF, the plane is flight ready and flying

• We place order , we get planes first
• We negotiate a TOT and , get licence production rights
• We are paying for Stealth Features here and BVR , not dog fighting

If all works out well , we make 2 purchases

Initial Order : 40 planes
Follow up : 40 planes (in 5 years)

We have 0% chance to lose anything China have never failed on Delivery of Goods solid track record


We play the cards right and we can have 50 JF17 Block III , and 40 J-31 (Stealth) in fleet
And by 2025 , may be Project Azm will come out

Massive mile stone to retire the oldest planes in our fleet