It's Official: The US is a Leading Terrorist State

[jericho]

So what is your concern NOW, if I said so (The underlined)??

If you understand my first response, you really would have figured that I was asking for something which is hard to argue with, cause at first you gave a quote from white house spokesman. You then said the US Seal wrote a book, there was a movie, I don't see how that is different from the white house guy saying something because all of these ppl will not say something against the "operation" (please don't underline this word and be like "oh so you believe there was an operation). You are either a troll to not understand what I am trying to say or you are the one from kindergarten.

 

[narcon]

If you understand my first response, you really would have figured that I was asking for something which is hard to argue with, cause at first you gave a quote from white house spokesman. You then said the US Seal wrote a book, there was a movie, I don't see how that is different from the white house guy saying something because all of these ppl will not say something against the "operation" (please don't underline this word and be like "oh so you believe there was an operation). You are either a troll to not understand what I am trying to say or you are the one from kindergarten.

Guide me to mute/ignore button please...Thank you.
You tried to play being a Smart Alec, but you were lacking big time boy..

 

[jericho]

Guide me to mute/ignore button please...Thank you.
You tried to play being a Smart Alec, but you were lacking big time boy..

lol, trying to be cool by calling me boy and all now huh, told you there was no need to continue, but you obviously couldn't accept that ppl don't agree with you

 

[Schutz]

The only threat to world peace is religion, not nations who come and go and change over time, religion has been the cause of more death than all wars combined, hell religion started most wars.

 

[Esc8781]

Isn't it suspicious that 15 members of Navy Seal 6 died in August 2011, 3 months after they 'killed' Osama

Learn the nomenclature of DEVGRU.

SEAL Team Six | DEVGRU

 

[deepak.chauhan2312]

It is right next to India. FYI.

we know how can we forget the country who created Terrorism in region to win over us but when failed that terrorism is attacking its own citizens.Its sad how human lives are getting wasted because of poor decisions taken by Pakistan now they are in mess from which they might never come out

 

[FaujHistorian]

we know how can we forget the country who created Terrorism in region to win over us but when failed that terrorism is attacking its own citizens.Its sad how human lives are getting wasted because of poor decisions taken by Pakistan now they are in mess from which they might never come out

but you did.

 

[deepak.chauhan2312]

but you did.

when...?

 

[FaujHistorian]

and you wonder why Pakistan, because Pakistani politician find it a privilege to be used and abused by USA

Oh bhai.

Aaap nay to dil pay liya is poll ko.


This poll is less scientific and more a venting place for leftists, commies, and Indians.

So don't take this seriously.

 

[Shariq786]

Pakistan created the Taliban and most of the Kashmiri terrorist groups and sheltered Osama Bin Laden. You're disrupting yourself.

hahahahaha look who's talking who's secret agency was directly involved in a russian dispute burned white house and killed million of muslims jews and christian learn your country's history dude then talk on the forum and about OBL sometimes even agencies makes mistakes like 9/11 the super power didn't knew that there planes are getting hijacked from 4 different airstrips XD i mean great salute man and about pakistani making talibans let me correct you on that one the invasion of russia in afghanistan it was not pakistan who suggested to make talibans it was CIA's plan to make a retaliative force against russian attack as USA or any other nuclear country couldn't invtervene so it was a joint operation by CIA funding and ISI training to make talibans because it was in the intrust of both the countries .... to stop russia to come any near to **** border and for USA to end russian might preventing them from controlling the middle east OIL reserves ..............

THATS for you with LOVE

How MI6 was fooled by Taleban impostor
MI6 became convinced it had achieved an 'historic breakthrough' in forging contacts between the Taleban and the Afghan Government

Tom Coghlan , Michael Evans and Daniel Lloyd
British Intelligence has suffered its most embarrassing setback since Iraq after a senior Taleban commander promoted by MI6 as the key to an Afghan peace process was exposed as an impostor.
An investigation by The Times can reveal that British agents paid Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour from May this year, promoting him as a genuine Taleban figure of the highest standing who was capable of negotiating with senior American and Afghan officials.

But according to officials in Britain, America and Afghanistan, he was uncovered this month as a fraudster, dealing a blow to the credibility of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6. Far from being a former Taleban government minister, the individual concerned is now thought to have been a shopkeeper, a minor Taleban commander, or simply a well-connected chancer from the Pakistani border city of Quetta.

A senior Afghan government official said yesterday: “British Intelligence was naive and there was wishful thinking on our part.”

One source with knowledge of the affair described it as simply “a major f***-up”.

Last night Bill Harris, who retired this month as the most senior US representative in Kandahar province, told The Times that it was not British intelligence officers alone who were responsible for the error. “Something this stupid generally requires teamwork,” he said.

Mr Harris said that he was unsure if the mistake could be entirely pinned on British Intelligence, but added: “I can say that US Intelligence has long been institutionally sceptical of dealing with ‘non-marquee Taleban’ and senior US military always felt that their British comrades in arms might outrun their headlights on reconciliation unless reined in.”

The Times has learnt that MI6 became convinced that it had achieved an “historic breakthrough” in forging contacts between the Taleban and the Afghan Government. Intelligence officers, thought to have been based in Islamabad, MI6’s biggest station, had made contact with a man claiming to be Mullah Mansour, a former Taleban government minister and now second only to Mullah Omar in the Taleban leadership. The British were convinced of the man’s bona fides and flew “Mansour” from Quetta to Kabul on a British C130 transport aircraft on a number of occasions.

Afghan officials confirm that meetings took place, including one with President Karzai in his guarded palace in Kabul. The man was reimbursed by MI6 with several hundred thousand dollars, possibly as much as half a million, to encourage further talks. The man’s bargaining position seemed unusually moderate. He did not, for instance, demand Western troop withdrawal as a precursor to formal talks with the Afghan Government, as has been the standing Taleban position.

In June, the CIA apparently remained sceptical about MI6’s “coup”. Leon Panetta, the CIA Director, went on public record to say that no serious approach was under way. US sources suggested that the scepticism extended then to General David Petraeus, commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan.

By September General Petraeus was briefing reporters, including The Times, that negotiations involved senior Taleban figures. In October he went farther, saying that the senior-level contacts were travelling in and out of Afghanistan on Nato aircraft. One Western official said that those who raised doubts about the “Mansour” programme were swept aside. In London, briefings were going to ministerial level and above in Government.

Last month those hopes began to unravel after one Afghan official, who had met the real Mullah Mansour years before, said that the informant was not the same man. At that point MI6’s man disappeared. Pakistani officials told The Times yesterday that a hunt was under way for him.

Hope has since given way to bitterness and a blame game. One alliance official described a continuing “Operation Egg Not on My Face” between intelligence agencies.

One well-placed source said: “It wasn’t just the Brits who were to blame, even though they were the ones who provided the transport for the trips and the money to persuade him to come back.”

He added: “It wasn’t like no one else was involved and everyone just said, ‘okay we’ll go along with it because British intelligence insists he’s the right man’.”

The Times understands that though the fake “Mansour” was handled by MI6, the US was involved in checking his bona fides using signal intelligence.

The source said: “It should have been the Afghans themselves who should have pointed out the almighty cock-up. Sometimes Nato doesn’t know one bearded, turbanned Taleban leader from another. But surely it was up to the Afghans, who know all the key Taleban players, to have pointed out that this was not Mohammad Mansour.”

© Times Newspapers Ltd 2010 Registered in England

 

[Phoenix89]

Three possible reasons of why Pakistan second on the list.

• Pakistan on the list testimony of Indian Propaganda working? (This is how a Pakistani will read that, and that means india's proof/dossiers given are making sense to others. Well off course excluding Pakistanis)
• Pakistan's ISI really a terrorist organisation? (This is how a World has started to perceive)
• India's RAW behind this too. (May be, easy way out, there is absolutely no issues with Pakistan)

 

[ChennaiDude]

It's Official: The US is a Leading Terrorist State

An international poll found that the United States is ranked far in the lead as “the biggest threat to world peace today,” far ahead of second-place Pakistan, with no one else even close.

On October 14, the lead story in the New York Times reported a study by the CIA that reviews major terrorist operations run by the White House around the world, in an effort to determine the factors that led to their success or failure, finally concluding that unfortunately successes were rare so that some rethinking of policy is in order. The article went on to quote Obama as saying that he had asked the CIA to carry out such inquiries in order to find cases of “financing and supplying arms to an insurgency in a country that actually worked out well. And they couldn’t come up with much.” So he has some reluctance about continuing such efforts.

There were no cries of outrage, no indignation, nothing.

The conclusion seems quite clear. In western political culture, it is taken to be entirely natural and appropriate that the Leader of the Free World should be a terrorist rogue state and should openly proclaim its eminence in such crimes. And it is only natural and appropriate that the Nobel Peace Prize laureate and liberal constitutional lawyer who holds the reins of power should be concerned only with how to carry out such actions more efficaciously.

A closer look establishes these conclusions quite firmly.

The article opens by citing US operations “from Angola to Nicaragua to Cuba.” Let us add a little of what is omitted.

In Angola, the US joined South Africa in providing the crucial support for Jonas Savimbi’s terrorist UNITA army, and continued to do so after Savimbi had been roundly defeated in a carefully monitored free election and even after South Africa had withdrawn support from this “monster whose lust for power had brought appalling misery to his people,” in the words of British Ambassador to Angola Marrack Goulding, seconded by the CIA station chief in neighboring Kinshasa who warned that “it wasn’t a good idea” to support the monster “because of the extent of Savimbi’s crimes. He was terribly brutal.”

Despite extensive and murderous US-backed terrorist operations in Angola, Cuban forces drove South African aggressors out of the country, compelled them to leave illegally occupied Namibia, and opened the way for the Angolan election in which, after his defeat, Savimbi “dismissed entirely the views of nearly 800 foreign elections observers here that the balloting…was generally free and fair” (New York Times), and continued the terrorist war with US support.

Cuban achievements in the liberation of Africa and ending of Apartheid were hailed by Nelson Mandela when he was finally released from prison. Among his first acts was to declare that “During all my years in prison, Cuba was an inspiration and Fidel Castro a tower of strength… [Cuban victories] destroyed the myth of the invincibility of the white oppressor [and] inspired the fighting masses of South Africa … a turning point for the liberation of our continent — and of my people — from the scourge of apartheid. … What other country can point to a record of greater selflessness than Cuba has displayed in its relations to Africa?”

The terrorist commander Henry Kissinger, in contrast, was “apoplectic” over the insubordination of the “pipsqueak” Castro who should be “smash[ed],” as reported by William Leogrande and Peter Kornbluh in their book Back Channel to Cuba, relying on recently declassified documents.

Turning to Nicaragua, we need not tarry on Reagan’s terrorist war, which continued well after the International Court of Justice ordered Washington to cease its “illegal use of force” – that is, international terrorism -- and pay substantial reparations, and after a resolution of the UN Security Council that called on all states (meaning the US) to observe international law – vetoed by Washington.

It should be acknowledged, however, that Reagan’s terrorist war against Nicaragua – extended by Bush I, the “statesman” Bush -- was not as destructive as the state terrorism he backed enthusiastically in El Salvador and Guatemala. Nicaragua had the advantage of having an army to confront the US-run terrorist forces, while in the neighboring states the terrorists assaulting the population were the security forces armed and trained by Washington.

In a few weeks we will be commemorating the Grand Finale of Washington’s terrorist wars in Latin America: the murder of six leading Latin American intellectuals, Jesuit priests, by an elite terrorist unit of the Salvadoran army, the Atlacatl Battalion, armed and trained by Washington, acting on the explicit orders of the High Command, and with a long record of massacres of the usual victims.

This shocking crime on November 16, 1989, at the Jesuit University in San Salvador was the coda to the enormous plague of terror that spread over the continent after John F. Kennedy changed the mission of the Latin American military from “hemispheric defense” – an outdated relic of World War II – to “internal security,” which means war against the domestic population. The aftermath is described succinctly by Charles Maechling, who led US counterinsurgency and internal defense planning from 1961 to 1966. He described Kennedy’s 1962 decision as a shift from toleration “of the rapacity and cruelty of the Latin American military” to “direct complicity” in their crimes, to US support for “the methods of Heinrich Himmler’s extermination squads.”

All forgotten, not the “right kind of facts.”
In Cuba, Washington’s terror operations were launched in full fury by President Kennedy to punish Cubans for defeating the US-run Bay of Pigs invasion. As described by historian Piero Gleijeses, JFK “asked his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, to lead the top-level interagency group that oversaw Operation Mongoose, a program of paramilitary operations, economic warfare, and sabotage he launched in late 1961 to visit the 'terrors of the earth' on Fidel Castro and, more prosaically, to topple him.”

The phrase “terrors of the earth” is quoted from Kennedy associate and historian Arthur Schlesinger, in his quasi-official biography of Robert Kennedy, who was assigned responsibility for conducting the terrorist war. RFK informed the CIA that the Cuban problem carries “[t]he top priority in the United States Government -- all else is secondary -- no time, no effort, or manpower is to be spared” in the effort to overthrow the Castro regime, and to bring “the terrors of the earth” to Cuba.

The terrorist war launched by the Kennedy brothers was no small affair. It involved 400 Americans, 2,000 Cubans, a private navy of fast boats, and a $50 million annual budget, run in part by a Miami CIA station functioning in violation of the Neutrality Act and, presumably, the law banning CIA operations in the United States. Operations included bombing of hotels and industrial installations, sinking of fishing boats, poisoning of crops and livestock, contamination of sugar exports, etc. Some of these operations were not specifically authorized by the CIA but carried out by the terrorist forces it funded and supported, a distinction without a difference in the case of official enemies.

The Mongoose terrorist operations were run by General Edward Lansdale, who had ample experience in US-run terrorist operations in the Philippines and Vietnam. His timetable for Operation Mongoose called for “open revolt and overthrow of the Communist regime” in October 1962, which, for “final success will require decisive U.S. military intervention” after terrorism and subversion had laid the basis.

October 1962 is, of course, a very significant moment in modern history. It was in that month that Nikita Khrushchev sent missiles to Cuba, setting off the missile crisis that came ominously close to terminal nuclear war. Scholarship now recognizes that Khrushchev was in part motivated by the huge US preponderance in force after Kennedy had responded to his calls for reduction in offensive weapons by radically increasing the US advantage, and in part by concern over a possible US invasion of Cuba. Years later, Kennedy’s Defense Secretary Robert McNamara recognized that Cuba and Russia were justified in fearing an attack. “If I were in Cuban or Soviet shoes, I would have thought so, too,” McNamara observed at a major international conference on the missile crisis on the 40th anniversary.

The highly regarded policy analyst Raymond Garthoff, who had many years of direct experience in US intelligence, reports that in the weeks before the October crisis erupted, a Cuban terrorist group operating from Florida with US government authorization carried out “a daring speedboat strafing attack on a Cuban seaside hotel near Havana where Soviet military technicians were known to congregate, killing a score of Russians and Cubans.” And shortly after, he continues, the terrorist forces attacked British and Cuban cargo ships and again raided Cuba, among other actions that were stepped up in early October. At a tense moment of the still-unresolved missile crisis, on November 8, a terrorist team dispatched from the United States blew up a Cuban industrial facility after the Mongoose operations had been officially suspended. Fidel Castro alleged that 400 workers had been killed in this operation, guided by “photographs taken by spying planes.” Attempts to assassinate Castro and other terrorist attacks continued immediately after the crisis terminated, and were escalated again in later years.

There has been some notice of one rather minor part of the terror war, the many attempts to assassinate Castro, generally dismissed as childish CIA shenanigans. Apart from that, none of what happened has elicited much interest or commentary. The first serious English-language inquiry into the impact on Cubans was published in 2010 by Canadian researcher Keith Bolender, in his Voices From The Other Side: An Oral History Of Terrorism Against Cuba, a very valuable study largely ignored.

The three examples highlighted in the New York Times report of US terrorism are only the tip of the iceberg. Nevertheless, it is useful to have this prominent acknowledgment of Washington’s dedication to murderous and destructive terror operations and of the insignificance of all of this to the political class, which accepts it as normal and proper that the US should be a terrorist superpower, immune to law and civilized norms.


Oddly, the world may not agree. An international poll released a year ago by the Worldwide Independent Network/Gallup International Association (WIN/GIA) found that the United States is ranked far in the lead as “the biggest threat to world peace today,” far ahead of second-place Pakistan (doubtless inflated by the Indian vote), with no one else even close.

Fortunately, Americans were spared this insignificant information.

It's Official: The US is a Leading Terrorist State | Opinion | teleSUR

If US decides to stay away and stop involving in world affairs!....The rest of the world will be in Anarchy!..thats a fact!

 

[Levina]

If US decides to stay away and stop involving in world affairs!....The rest of the world will be in Anarchy!..thats a fact!

What gives America the right to meddle in everybody's affair??
And why can't we conclude that it's done for their own benefits??

 

[Levina]

The only threat to world peace is religion, not nations who come and go and change over time, religion has been the cause of more death than all wars combined, hell religion started most wars.

I concur!

 

[xyxmt]

Oh bhai.

Aaap nay to dil pay liya is poll ko.


This poll is less scientific and more a venting place for leftists, commies, and Indians.

So don't take this seriously.

han mere bhai Pakistan se niklo to pata chaley ga Pakistan kitna budnam hay is chakar main