Italy acts...orders mosques as public space and bans preaching in arabic

[waz]

Its a reality

We do not live in a utopia, and its a simple fact that if muslims are harassed and targeted in lets say Europe their will be an inevitable reaction across the muslim world.

If mosques are restricted in Europe then Churches will be attacked and restricted in muslim countries

Just because you dont want it, dosent mean it won't happen and their are plenty of christians and minorities in muslim countries

Anti muslim action in places like Europe has less to do with islamaphobia and more to do with a rehash of the old racism of Europeans

Its why the hindutva or sikhs celebrating the rise of the far right will feel the blowback

Replace the muslims with blacl christians or the millions of Syrian christians or middle eastern christians and you will still get the gnashing of teeth from the European's

We need to wake up and accept the reality of the world not live in a dream world at the moment you have a german jewesq viewpoint that will work out as well for you as it did for them

At the moment it isn't. The main reason being that native Christians are the same as Muslims in their respective homelands e.g. Indonesia, Sierra Leone, Pakistan, Jordan etc. As for what happens in some European states, that shouldn't be held as a benchmark i.e. on how to act. Going back to this whole issue about ethnicity, do remember Bulgaria, Romania, the Ukraine etc all have native Muslim minorities who are accepted.
As for my viewpoint, the UK has the lowest anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe, which in a large part is due to the fact that the bulk of Muslims come from South Asian cultures, which also have a colonial legacy. Muslims must also play their part in being productive citizens. When you riot, rape, plot attacks on the host country, you can't blame European governments for their reactions.

 

[hussain0216]

At the moment it isn't. The main reason being that native Christians are the same as Muslims in their respective homelands e.g. Indonesia, Sierra Leone, Pakistan, Jordan etc. As for what happens in some European states, that shouldn't be held as a benchmark i.e. on how to act. Going back to this whole issue about ethnicity, do remember Bulgaria, Romania, the Ukraine etc all have native Muslim minorities who are accepted.
As for my viewpoint, the UK has the lowest anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe, which in a large part is due to the fact that the bulk of Muslims come from South Asian cultures, which also have a colonial legacy. Muslims must also play their part in being productive citizens. When you riot, rape, plot attacks on the host country, you can't blame European governments for their reactions.

They are not the same

If they were the same then they would be muslims

They are minorities

Once again just because you say we shouldn't hold states in Europe which are bigoted as an example of what we should do the reality is different, persecution of muslims in Europe will inevitably cause a back lash

I.e, why should we allow christians in Egypt or Jordan or Pakistan a church or a place to worship if we cant in italy
Egypt alone has 10 million christians, there are about 3 million in Pakistan

At the moment the situation is low level but mark my words the backlash against minorities and christian minorities across the muslim world will be a reality at sone point as will increased persecution of muslims in the west and erosion of democratic ideals in Europe


Islamsphobia is also based in old style Racism they have just got a new hook with muslims, send thousands or millions of black christians or christians from our part of the world their way and you will continue to see the lurch of Europe to the right

 

[ValerioAurelius]

They are not the same

If they were the same then they would be muslims

They are minorities

Once again just because you say we shouldn't hold states in Europe which are bigoted as an example of what we should do the reality is different, persecution of muslims in Europe will inevitably cause a back lash

I.e, why should we allow christians in Egypt or Jordan or Pakistan a church or a place to worship if we cant in italy
Egypt alone has 10 million christians, there are about 3 million in Pakistan

At the moment the situation is low level but mark my words the backlash against minorities and christian minorities across the muslim world will be a reality at sone point as will increased persecution of muslims in the west and erosion of democratic ideals in Europe


Islamsphobia is also based in old style Racism they have just got a new hook with muslims, send thousands or millions of black christians or christians from our part of the world their way and you will continue to see the lurch of Europe to the right

Thats pure gold.

Non muslims are treated like dirt in muslim countries. In egypt christians are murdered on open street. And egypt is one of the more civilized countries in that area.

You show the typical "victim paranoia". What makes you think there is a law you can live where you want?

Explain to me what makes you believe you have the right to come to Italy, live here and demand anything?

Europe is fed up with this. What you do in your countries is irrelevant amigo. We care for ours. And we correct some certain mistakes that were done in the past. And there is nothing you can do about this.

 

[Farooq]

Thats pure gold.

Non muslims are treated like dirt in muslim countries. In egypt christians are murdered on open street. And egypt is one of the more civilized countries in that area.

You show the typical "victim paranoia". What makes you think there is a law you can live where you want?

Explain to me what makes you believe you have the right to come to Italy, live here and demand anything?

Europe is fed up with this. What you do in your countries is irrelevant amigo. We care for ours. And we correct some certain mistakes that were done in the past. And there is nothing you can do about this.

That is not true. Minorities are given full rights and protection in Muslim majority countries. In fact, Islamic law has specific rights for non-Muslims where their homes, businesses and houses of worship are protected.

here is an example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/muslims-form-human-chain-pakistan_n_4057381.html

furthermore, you are playing into the hands of terrorists groups like ISIS that want a global religious war.

I invite you to a private chat where we can talk about our differences in a civilized manner.

 

[A.M.]

Italy is getting far from civilized world

This comment is rich, especially coming from someone who is Turkish.

On topic: Their country, their rules. Don't like them, leave.

That is not true. Minorities are given full rights and protection in Muslim majority countries.

here is an example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/muslims-form-human-chain-pakistan_n_4057381.html

Let's be real. Minorities are treated like shit in Pakistan.

 

[Kaniska]

That's a very sick thing for them to do. Send em back.

Indians are also one of significant number of illegal immigrants through out the world. We are not sane either...The only difference between Indian and others is the religion that does create so much -ve publicity about us in comparison to others...Otherwise, pretty much India and Pakistan illegal immigrant operate in same way to enter to different nations...

 

[Farooq]

This comment is rich, especially coming from someone who is Turkish.

On topic: Their country, their rules. Don't like them, leave.


Let's be real. Minorities are treated like shit in Pakistan.

and Muslims are treated like kings in Europe and US....

Muslims face much more discrimination in western countries than kafirs would ever face in Muslim countries

 

[hussain0216]

Thats pure gold.

Non muslims are treated like dirt in muslim countries. In egypt christians are murdered on open street. And egypt is one of the more civilized countries in that area.

You show the typical "victim paranoia". What makes you think there is a law you can live where you want?

Explain to me what makes you believe you have the right to come to Italy, live here and demand anything?

Europe is fed up with this. What you do in your countries is irrelevant amigo. We care for ours. And we correct some certain mistakes that were done in the past. And there is nothing you can do about this.

if they were murdered in the open street their wouldn't be 10 million christians

google churches in Pakistan, take a look at what we allow our christian minority

now yoy say you only have 10 mosques in italy and islam is not recognised as a faith, so my question to my own people is why are we giving the Christians in Pakistan or Egypt or Jordan or anwhere space to breath, space to worship and build churches

 

[Farooq]

Indians are also one of significant number of illegal immigrants through out the world. We are not sane either...The only difference between Indian and others is the religion that does create so much -ve publicity about us in comparison to others...Otherwise, pretty much India and Pakistan illegal immigrant operate in same way to enter to different nations...

I live in Turkey and lived in US before. I have seen Indians and Pakistanis always get along. In fact, many friends of my family members are Indians.

so why is it desis are at each others throats on the web?

 

[A.M.]

and Muslims are treated like kings in Europe and US....

Muslims face much more discrimination in western countries than kafirs would ever face in Muslim countries

Keep living in your dream world. Come to the US and we'll burst it for you.

P.S. The mayor of London is a Muslim so what planet are you living on?

 

[hussain0216]

Keep living in your dream world. Come to the US and we'll burst it for you.

P.S. The mayor of London is a Muslim so what planet are you living on?

Trumpland is only going one way

 

[Farooq]

Keep living in your dream world. Come to the US and we'll burst it for you.

P.S. The mayor of London is a Muslim so what planet are you living on?

mayor of London is a so called Muslim like you ... he has been seen worshiping idols

 

[SouI]

Italian interior minister Marco Minitti made the new laws.

http://www.huffingtonpost.it/2017/01/17/minniti-migranti-strategia_n_14227034.html

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article162538298/Die-Sache-hat-einen-Namen-Anis-Amri.html

All over Italy detention camps are opened. There evry asylum seeker is brought who has no right for asylum. Evryone who has no right for asylum must leave Italy. They are not allowed to leave those prisons. The centers are called CIE.

Also mosques are declared public space now. This means they are not allowed to be locked up. State officials must be present at evry prayer. Prayer is only allowed in Italian language.

Minitti said he will not blame his precedessors or the old laws. He says he is interior minister now and he will deal with this.

@Vergennes @flamer84 @Nilgiri @waz

Call to prayer will be done in Italian?!

 

[YeBeWarned]

Every European countries should put every mosques under government regulation,investigate where the funds are coming from,Imams should be formed and preach in the language of the host countries. Those that don't comply should be deported and see the prayer places closed. Seems fair.

The Call of prayer which is called " Ad'haan" should be in Arabic , which goes likes Allah ho Akber Allah Ho Akber , La illa ha illal la , and so on .. i don't know if it consider right or acceptable but if it is , than it can be done .. plus in order to pray you have to recite in Arabic and cant use Translate verses .. so this specific part where the Prayers should be in the Language of the country can not happen unless it's been forces upon which means suppressing Muslims rights to Pray in the language they want .. having police in or outside Mosque is not a bad option , and also regulations + keep investigations about the funding is also NO problem

regards

 

[SouI]

National security... is an excuse to show how intolerant racists Italian politicians are

Islam is not a race.