Israeli strike on Iran's nuke plan 'imminent'

[gambit]

Iran is surely not a super power to handle Israeli and american forces.

But gambit United states is also not in position to get involved in another war during these times. and for Israel alone- its not going to be a cake walk.

Israel need a good support from united states and nato.

Yes of course a nuke test will unsettle this region and Iran will end up paying way more than what they will achieve out of such misadventure.

More over these are all propaganda created to get united states and nato forces - involved in something even worst . since iran at current times dont have guts or stupidity to loose fo much for almost no gain.

What make you think US forces must be involved in a military strike against Iran in the same manners as Iraq and Afghanistan? Despite what the Iranians boast, Iran has not an effective air defense system against a sneak Israeli Air Force attack on any nuclear related facility. Like Iraq's Osirak, Israel does not need to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons program and let no one delude themselves into believing that Iran's nuclear program is not weapons related. Iraq's nuclear weapons program was not destroyed with Osirak, just delayed as Saddam Hussein shifted resources to other areas of defense before resuming his nuclear weapons program. Likewise, Israel just need to strike at one or even several facilities at the same time to shake up the Iranian military and to delay Iran's nuclear weapons program.

 

[gambit]

Iran is far away, I don't think Israel has that kind of range, even if it did, Iran has spread its nuclear program all over the country, furthermore most if not all the facilities are located underground.

Assume Israel has the legs for the mission for now. Iranian underground facilities are not necessarily a positive as Israel can make accessiblity an issue. For speculation's sake, and never mind US internal politics on the matter, if the US military gets involved, we can make accessibility nearly impossible for those underground facilities with our 'bunker buster' bombs. We do not need to destroy, just physically isolate them.

 

[duhastmish]

because when it comes to iran and israel - it will be about religion .

deny it as much but people here in these part of world are blinded by religion ever more than patriotism and hunger for sucess.

unfortunately people dont like Iran as much as much they hate Israel . this will initiate into a big scale war - and israel alone wont be able to handle such war. it will be hard for isarel alone - to hold the whole region without help of united states.

united states - hold a fear factor more than anything in middle east. and they have to be involved in a war of such magnitude which will be bigger than - iraq or afghan or vietnam.

 

[Spitfighter]

Assume Israel has the legs for the mission for now. Iranian underground facilities are not necessarily a positive as Israel can make accessiblity an issue. For speculation's sake, and never mind US internal politics on the matter, if the US military gets involved, we can make accessibility nearly impossible for those underground facilities with our 'bunker buster' bombs. We do not need to destroy, just physically isolate them.

But in this case, I think internal politics do matter, because without American bunker busting bombs, the Israelis won't be able to isolate the nuclear facility, and they would've started a war that won't end with them. So it sounds like it isn't going to be worth their while, without American assistance that is.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that Israel can't go it alone in this case, as it did with Iraq and Syria. They'll almost certainly need help from the US.

I know they have the will but do you think Israel has the capability to military intervene in Iran and delay their nuclear ambitions?

 

[gambit]

because when it comes to iran and israel - it will be about religion .

THANK YOU...!!! for having the courage to say that. Did you know saying things like could get you banned from many forums?

unfortunately people dont like Iran as much as much they hate Israel . this will initiate into a big scale war - and israel alone wont be able to handle such war. it will be hard for isarel alone - to hold the whole region without help of united states.

united states - hold a fear factor more than anything in middle east. and they have to be involved in a war of such magnitude which will be bigger than - iraq or afghan or vietnam.

No one came to Iraq's aid after Osirak was damaged enough to delay Saddam's nuclear weapons program.

On the other hand...When Iraq-Iran War was going...

Gulf Cooperation Council [GCC]

The Gulf Cooperation Council [GCC] was established in an agreement concluded on 25 May 1981 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia between: Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and UAE.

The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) was formed in 1981 to confront their security challenges collectively. The immediate objective was to protect themselves from the threat posed by the Iran-Iraq War and Iranian-inspired activist Islamism (also seen as fundamentalism). In a series of meetings, chiefs of staff and defense ministers of the gulf states developed plans for mutual defense and launched efforts to form a joint command and a joint defense network.

Ferraris and Western blond bimbos trumps religion, I have to say that. The Arabs like their oil revenues too much as history proved. They know the Jews have no designs on their oil the way the Iranians planned years ago and they are still uncertain about Iranian-inspired Islamism today. The Arabs will provide covert support for the Jews to take out or at least delay the Iranian nuclear weapons programs. Regional detente will resume.

 

[gambit]

But in this case, I think internal politics do matter, because without American bunker busting bombs, the Israelis won't be able to isolate the nuclear facility, and they would've started a war that won't end with them. So it sounds like it isn't going to be worth their while, without American assistance that is.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that Israel can't go it alone in this case, as it did with Iraq and Syria. They'll almost certainly need help from the US.

I know they have the will but do you think Israel has the capability to military intervene in Iran and delay their nuclear ambitions?

The F-16I have the legs to reach Iran and do not forget that Israeli pilots are better trained, have more flight hours and actual combat experience than Iranian pilots. The US does not need to provide direct assistance like munitions but for example ELINT on Iranian air defense sites can help the Israeli Air Force bypass them. Air refueling for the Israeli fighters is also an option. Both costs next to nothing in terms of money and political capital for Obama.

 

[WarProfessor]

who can say for sure Iran doesn't already have the bomb?
Ahmadinejad is not a hot head, he said "wipe israel off the map" without already having anything to back him up???
I found statement of `Iran has no nuclear weapon" hard to believe...

And yeah, it's a distraction. Michael Jackson news for a month? give me a break.

 

[fhassan]

"wipe israel off the map"

He did not say that. He was quoting Ayotollah Khomeini, and the Exact words were:

" بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود "

" een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad "

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must [vanish from] the page of time"

 

[Sinnerman108]

The F-16I have the legs to reach Iran and do not forget that Israeli pilots are better trained, have more flight hours and actual combat experience than Iranian pilots. The US does not need to provide direct assistance like munitions but for example ELINT on Iranian air defense sites can help the Israeli Air Force bypass them. Air refueling for the Israeli fighters is also an option. Both costs next to nothing in terms of money and political capital for Obama.

I think this is a very valid assessment.
Iran having the geographical depth and surface variety, unfortunately
has a poor air force ... for a reason known only to Iran.
Israel has a better air force in the region by far and it will be a challenge for any of Israel's enemies to tackle that.

That said, missiles are a poor man's air force, and if we consider Israel's small size and an even smaller population I find it very hard to imagine how Israel could ever sustain a long scale war with Infantry and artillery dynamics ?

It will be Israel's motive to keep the theater of operation well defined and very very restricted without any spill overs.

On the other hand what Iran has to do is to inflate the whole thing as much as possible, and elongate engagement beyond aerial attack.

It is my belief that Israel will be at a loss once that happens.

what says the forum about that ?

 

[WarProfessor]

I think this is a very valid assessment.
Iran having the geographical depth and surface variety, unfortunately
has a poor air force ... for a reason known only to Iran.
Israel has a better air force in the region by far and it will be a challenge for any of Israel's enemies to tackle that.

That said, missiles are a poor man's air force, and if we consider Israel's small size and an even smaller population I find it very hard to imagine how Israel could ever sustain a long scale war with Infantry and artillery dynamics ?

It will be Israel's motive to keep the theater of operation well defined and very very restricted without any spill overs.

On the other hand what Iran has to do is to inflate the whole thing as much as possible, and elongate engagement beyond aerial attack.

It is my belief that Israel will be at a loss once that happens.

what says the forum about that ?

Israel is US assets, think of it as an unsinkable US aircraft carrier in the middle east. Jews love it, US needs it. That's the politics around Israel.

There is a reason why historically Jews can't keep a state to themselves: Physically, Jews can fight nobody.

Iran was backed primarily by Russia (and China). World powers want to maintain the strategic balance in ME. That was before Iraq war, when US became too aggressive. Everything changed since the war. It's no mystery why virtually everyone was against Iraq war (before it started), because no one is so sure what's going to happen in the aftermath...

 

[xebex]

A small army of Israel is not capable of attacking Iran.
There are several Technical Issues that cannot be solved by Israel alone. USA's help is needed and USA is busy else where.

To cut the story short, I don't think Israel will attack IRAN in near future.

Man u really dont know the state of Israel.....trust me, they are one determined nation with one determined army. Iran is a big country but that is not an obstacle as far as modern warfare is concerned. Also Israel will have the laxury of indirect support from international community if they are attacking Iran's nuclear plants.

How capable is Iran's armed forces by the way?? show me their combat success rate in conventional and surgical strikes.

 

[WarProfessor]

Man u really dont know the state of Israel.....trust me, they are one determined nation with one determined army. Iran is a big country but that is not an obstacle as far as modern warfare is concerned. Also Israel will have the laxury of indirect support from international community if they are attacking Iran's nuclear plants.

How capable is Iran's armed forces by the way?? show me their combat success rate.

How touchy.
If Israel attacks Iran, it's not Israel, it's US. International support? I think at least French is vehemently against it. Or French, man, I love it. Don't we all love French, I mean, French woman?

If Iran is attacked, it will be the grand finale of world strategic show hand. But I thought everyone believes black jack is more fun, since it takes more time.

 

[LiberalPakistani]

I will volunteer in Iran's Army in any case of attack from Israel retaliation should be re-capture of our land Jeruslem and Masjid Al-Aqsa the day its not far you will see Muslim flag on Jeruslem.Jews can't fight physically with Iran's 500,000 strong army will crush Israeli army in the matter of time.Iran will have the Arms help from Pakistan,China,North Korea and Russia

Pakistan should start exporting these arms to Iran Ballestic Missile,Al-Khalid and Thunders and sent the pilots to fought in this war another glorious chapter yet to be written in PAF book

Israeli Massive airpower is useless against S-300 with alot of batteries around Iran border region and stringers.

 

[Beskar]

I will volunteer in Iran's Army in any case of attack from Israel retaliation should be re-capture of our land Jeruslem and Masjid Al-Aqsa the day its not far you will see Muslim flag on Jeruslem.Jews can't fight physically with Iran's 500,000 strong army will crush Israeli army in the matter of time.Iran will have the Arms help from Pakistan,China,North Korea and Russia

Pakistan should start exporting these arms to Iran Ballestic Missile,Al-Khalid and Thunders and sent the pilots to fought in this war another glorious chapter yet to be written in PAF book

Israeli Massive airpower is useless against S-300 with alot of batteries around Iran border region and stringers.

Even if you don't volunteer, the Basij paramilitary force would crush ANY foreign boots on its soil. It's the largest paramilitary force in the world with estimated numbers upto 14 Million.

 

[Thomas]

Even if you don't volunteer, the Basij paramilitary force would crush ANY foreign boots on its soil. It's the largest paramilitary force in the world with estimated numbers upto 14 Million.

No one has talked about invading Iran. there has been talk about attacking Iran over it's nuclear program. there is no need to invade.