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Israel set to give crucial army material to Turkey

Here goes the last iota of Muslim brotherhood.

Turkey never believed in that nonsense since day one. They always were rational, nation-minded and business oriented pragmatists rather than some nations here living in lala land.

To compare them with the "religious brotherhood" jokers would be an insult to Turkish intellect.

Here goes the last iota of Muslim brotherhood.

Turkey never believed in that nonsense since day one. They always were rational, nation-minded and business oriented pragmatists rather than some nations here living in lala land.

To compare them with the "religious brotherhood" jokers would be an insult to Turkish intellect.
 
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It's nice to have good friends in the region. :tup:
The great Bros. Big bro Israel is going to give chocolate to small bro! Israel goes on killing and killing, while Turkey sits back and also helps them!
and the Emmy award goes to Turkey!
more flotilla dramas yet to come after the first spectacular performance !
Stop making a fool out of yoursevles with clueless posts. Elbit did not send those parts willingly and we didn't chose Israel for this.

Turkey's buying B737 AEW&C aircraft(practically a flying MESA radar) from Boeing. Elbit is just a sub-contractor to Boeing as i just explained in my previous post.

I sincerely think that you guys are smart enough to read what people posted, just use your fvcking brains next time.
 
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Elbit Sues Israeli Govt Over Turkish Contract Default
Nov. 9, 2012 - 11:40AM |
By Barbara Opall-Rome | Comments


TEL AVIV Israels Elbit Systems is suing the Israeli government for some $74 million in damages due to revoked MoD export licenses for a long-range aerial photography program for the Turkish Air Force.

The Haifa-based firm announced Nov. 8 that its subsidiary, Elop Ltd,. was compelled to file suit following unsuccessful efforts to reach an appropriate compensatory settlement with the government.

It marked the first time in Elbits history that the privately held, publicly traded firm took legal action against its host government. Due to sensitive security and defense trade information likely to be aired by plaintiffs and defendants alike, the government has imposed a media blackout during the entire course of closed-door proceedings.

The case in question stems from a 2005, $141 million contract with Turkey between prime contractor Elop and Elta Systems, a subsidiary of state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), for Lorop reconnaissance pods for Turkish Phantom fighters that had been upgraded by IAI. Technical and competitive business hurdles forced a temporary suspension of the contract, but after active intervention from Israels MoD and the Israel Air Force with whom the Turkish Air Force was cooperating intensively at the time the program was reinitiated in 2009.

But late last year, in response to deteriorating ties with Ankara over Israels 2008 incursion into Gaza, the killing of nine activists during an Israeli raid of a Gaza-bound Turkish ship, and Turkeys expanding strategic ties with Iran, Israels MoD took the unusual step of barring both firms from completing deliveries of the sophisticated spy system.

The decision exposed Elta to $55 million in lost revenue while Elbit reported losses of $90 million due to write-offs and other costs associated with the terminated program.

At the time, executives from both firms voiced understanding for the strategic and political considerations driving the governments decision to scrap the program, yet insisted they be compensated for termination liabilities incurred through no fault of their own.

Its an unprecedented step, but just as the government has sovereign obligations, Elbit as a private company has responsibilities to its shareholders, an industry executive said Nov. 9.

As of press time Nov. 9, MoD had not issued a statement in response to the Elbit lawsuit.

As a government-owned company, industry executives expect IAI to wait patiently for positive resolution of two export licensing issues pertaining to Turkey. In addition to the $55 million in damages due to the terminated Lorop program, IAIs Elta risks losing its lucrative position as preferred subcontractor to Boeing on the high-profile U.S.-Turkish Peace Eagle airborne early warning and control program.

IAI has been lobbying for more than a year for permission to deliver the last two of four Elta-produced electronic support systems ordered by the Seattle-based firm. Early last September, as part of the governments clampdown on defense technology transfers to Turkey, MoD decided to hold, rather than suspend, Eltas export license to Boeing.

Without near-term resolution, industry sources say Boeing may be forced to declare Elta in default. Such a step, industry sources say, would cause considerable damage to Eltas reputation as a reliable supplier, expose the firm to liability penalties and compel Boeing to select another supplier for the electronic subsystems.

Theres a danger that Boeing will have to declare force majeure and kick us out of this prestigious program, which we hope will serve as a springboard for major future business, an Israeli executive said in an interview last year.

IAI declined comment on its ongoing deliberations with MoD over the two Turkish-related export issues, but an industry source said the sides are making progress toward positive accommodation, at least on the matter of lifting the license hold to Boeing.

Boeing plans to deliver the first Peace Eagle aircraft by the end of the year, and the remaining three planes are expected to enter service toward the end of 2013
 
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As a note, After Israel rejected supplying EW devices for Turkey's AEW&C, Boeing and Turkish officials made some negotiations to integrate Turkey's domestic EW systems on AEW&C platforms. In times when Aselsan made some preparations for supplying them as a replacement of Israeli systems, Israel surprisingly accepted delivery of their own.


Pain of Israeli institutes are clear !!!

As a government-owned company, industry executives expect IAI to wait patiently for positive resolution of two export licensing issues pertaining to Turkey. In addition to the $55 million in damages due to the terminated Lorop program, IAI’s Elta risks losing its lucrative position as preferred subcontractor to Boeing on the high-profile U.S.-Turkish Peace Eagle airborne early warning and control program.

IAI has been lobbying for more than a year for permission to deliver the last two of four Elta-produced electronic support systems ordered by the Seattle-based firm. Early last September, as part of the government’s clampdown on defense technology transfers to Turkey, MoD decided to hold, rather than suspend, Elta’s export license to Boeing.Without near-term resolution, industry sources say Boeing may be forced to declare Elta in default. Such a step, industry sources say, would cause considerable damage to Elta’s reputation as a reliable supplier, expose the firm to liability penalties and compel Boeing to select another supplier for the electronic subsystems.

“There’s a danger that Boeing will have to declare force majeure and kick us out of this prestigious program, which we hope will serve as a springboard for major future business,” an Israeli executive said in an interview last year.


http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...sey=nav|head


Negotiation with Aselsan

“The Israeli system is an identifier. It receives hostile radar waves uses them to identify planes. In other words, it would be good to have this system on the planes, but it is not an essential part that could delay the program. We need three more systems for the remaining two planes. As we do not expect Israel to deliver the systems soon, we have taken our own precautions and have begun negotiations with Aselsan, which will develop similar systems using Turkish sources. One could ask why Aselsan did not take part from the very beginning. Developing such systems requires a degree of experience and capacity. The project was signed 10 years ago, and Aselsan did not have the capacity at that time, but now they do.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ase...&NewsCatID=345
 
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IAI cant afford to lose Boeing as a costumer, this is why MoD agreed for export to Turkey. On the other hand there is still a ban on Elbit and IAI to export LOROP system and subsystem to Turkey, and i believe it will stay as such, because unlike IAI contract with Boeing, IAI/Elbit LOROP contract has no string attached to third party.

Why you insist on bold part?

In times when Aselsan made some preparations for supplying them as a replacement of Israeli systems, Israel surprisingly accepted delivery of their own.

There is no connection between Israeli MoD decision to deliver the system and Aselsan plan to build such system
 
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IAI cant afford to lose Boeing as a costumer, this is why MoD agreed for export to Turkey. On the other hand there is still a ban on Elbit and IAI to export LOROP system and subsystem to Turkey, and i believe it will stay as such, because unlike IAI contract with Boeing, IAI/Elbit LOROP contract has no string attached to third party.

Why you insist on bold part?



There is no connection between Israeli MoD decision to deliver the system and Aselsan plan to build such system


Neither me nor you are an Israeli Minister or desicion maker in Israel/Turkey. I spoke what I read from sources. 1-2 days ago, It is stated that" Israeli subcontactor institute decided to restart the production". Then Today, Second source clearly stated that Israeli institutes are under fear for loosing of being a reliable subsystem supplier of Boeing cause of Israeli MoD refusal to supply devices for Turkey's AEW&C program. It is noted that Boeing is seeking an alternative supplier as a replacement of Israeli workshare. At previous days, It was stated that Aselsan and PeaceEagle program officials are negotiating between eachothers to supply those systems.

Now, If you have some problem with those informations revealed, Send some mail for sources instead of babbling around forums...

Aselsan plan to build such system


Stop this BS.
 
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Neither me nor you are an Israeli Minister or desicion maker in Israel/Turkey. I spoke what I read from sources. 1-2 days ago, It is stated that" Israeli subcontactor institute decided to restart the production". Then Today, Second source clearly stated that Israeli institutes are under fear for loosing of being a reliable subsystem supplier of Boeing cause of Israeli MoD refusal to supply devices for Turkey's AEW&C program. It is noted that Boeing is seeking an alternative supplier as a replacement of Israeli workshare. At previous days, It was stated that Aselsan and PeaceEagle program officials are negotiating between eachothers to supply those systems.

Now, If you have some problem with those informations revealed, Send some mail for sources instead of babbling around forums...




Stop this BS.


Israel set to give crucial army material to Turkey

:lol: "The reason is clear"


Boeing was searching for alternative but apparently couldn't find one, not even Aselsan :)

Boeing pressured IAI and threatend to cut ties, IAI pressured MoD and the result is that MoD clear export of the system to Turkey via Boeing.
 
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