Israel and Pakistan Building 2nd Strike Capability With AIP Submarines

[Ocelot]

I proudly call myself Muslim before Pakistani.

How about you first try to be a Pakistani and then a Muslim? I became an atheist 5 years ago, but I'm a very patriotic and nationalistic Pakistani, and would prefer to die for this country more than you Muslims do. I see Pakistan as my religion. These Indian Muslims are Indians and they can go screw themselves for all you should care. Come out of this Ummah bullshit and love your country first.

 

[SecularNationalist]

How about you first try to be a Pakistani and then a Muslim? I became an atheist 5 years ago, but I'm a very patriotic and nationalistic Pakistani, and would prefer to die for this country more than you Muslims do. I see Pakistan as my religion. These Indian Muslims are Indians and they can go screw themselves for all you should care. Come out of this Ummah bullshit and love your country first.

Sir! I am not an atheist but i do respect you.Country should always come first.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Very conveniently you have avoided addressing the Uyghur issue because for you your national interest more important than the interest of the muslims elsewhere

Are you blind? I mentioned Uyghur Muslims . Read it Again with cool head

How I practice my Islam is between me and Allah (swt) and should not be your concern as long as I dont complain.

I never questioned your beliefs but what would you say if someone say marriage is fine between between Muslim and mushrik ? and its fine to keep lilttle madirs in their bedroom and practice beliefs of polytheism? Allah has given clear instruction about these matters. No? Would you allow such marriage between your Muslim sister and Hindu brother to bring religious harmony and to encourage Indian nationalism even if Allah oppose such marriages? You still have not given me clear answer whther you are Muslim before nationalist or opposite

How about you first try to be a Pakistani and then a Muslim? I became an atheist 5 years ago, but I'm a very patriotic and nationalistic Pakistani, and would prefer to die for this country more than you Muslims do. I see Pakistan as my religion. These Indian Muslims are Indians and they can go screw themselves for all you should care. Come out of this Ummah bullshit and love your country first.

Stop teaching me what i should do. I dont care you are atheist or non Muslims as long you care for welfare of fellow Pakistani. Good Muslim can be good Pakistani or even good british. You dont have to be atheist or blind nationalist to be good patriot. You dont have to put country before Islam in order to qualify a good citizen of Pakistan My religion Islam is the main reason behind creation of Pakistan otherwise what was the need of Pakistan as you would be happy staying in largest secular India.

 

[HariPrasad]

this world is mess humans are creating more and more destruction . one day this world will be wiped out by humans

Sir,
Isiliye to Aap mere favorite hain. You have a heart.

AIP looks much away for Pakistan.

 

[Gufi]

Sir,
Isiliye to Aap mere favorite hain. You have a heart.

AIP looks much away for Pakistan.

Do you doubt the Chinese technology, or do you doubt the speed at which they can build things, or do you doubt that our credit is not acceptable to them. You see all the research the Chinese are doing for a plane that will be at most, a point defender for them for us, and yet you say that AIP is far away. And those will be an addition to the AIP subs we already have

and three modern Agosta-90B submarines. Pakistan's third Agosta-90B, the S 139 Hamza, was constructed indigenously and features the DCNS MESMA (Module d'EnergieSous-Marin Autonome) air-independent propulsion (AIP) system. Pakistan retrofitted the two earlier Agosta-90B vessels with the MESMA AIP propulsion system when they underwent overhaul in 2011, according to Nuclear Threat Initiative.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Looser, only a few thousand live in desserts in Pakistan where did you get 25% figure?

Shameless pakistani talking of open defecation when 25 % of pakistani defecates openly in desert like desert fighters.

Boasting of iphone!!! - a filthy mullah pakistani - Heck - more % of pakistanis are hungry than India by latest UN report.

Pakistan -

41.4 million undernourished - 22% of population
No. of malnourished increasing with passing years.

India -

194.6 million undernourished - 15% of population
No. of malnourished not decreasing with as much pace as required with passing years.

Source -
Food and Agriculture Organisation of The United Nations
The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2015 | FAO | Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations

Talking about rape - Pakistan where 8 rapes happen on a daily basis only in punjab and still 0 conviction!! Thats what is called as Rape heaven.

You are surely a single country where almost zero conviction happened for rapist leave alone terrorist ruling the country as if its their bi**h.

 

[Kao Boy]

I do not know from where you are gathering your information but Israel has never allied with Pakistan and if that happens long standing alliance of India and Israel would hamper... It was Israel who fought with Indian covertly in Kargil war against Pakistan.

 

[Gufi]

I do not know from where you are gathering your information but Israel has never allied with Pakistan and if that happens long standing alliance of India and Israel would hamper... It was Israel who fought with Indian covertly in Kargil war against Pakistan.

Who or what are you even responding to???

 

[Psychic]

I do not know from where you are gathering your information but Israel has never allied with Pakistan and if that happens long standing alliance of India and Israel would hamper... It was Israel who fought with Indian covertly in Kargil war against Pakistan.

Read the OP again

 

[Razia Sultana]

Are you blind? I mentioned Uyghur Muslims . Read it Again with cool head


I never questioned your beliefs but what would you say if someone say marriage is fine between between Muslim and mushrik ? and its fine to keep lilttle madirs in their bedroom and practice beliefs of polytheism? Allah has given clear instruction about these matters. No? Would you allow such marriage between your Muslim sister and Hindu brother to bring religious harmony and to encourage Indian nationalism even if Allah oppose such marriages? You still have not given me clear answer whther you are Muslim before nationalist or opposite


Stop teaching me what i should do. I dont care you are atheist or non Muslims as long you care for welfare of fellow Pakistani. Good Muslim can be good Pakistani or even good british. You dont have to be atheist or blind nationalist to be good patriot. You dont have to put country before Islam in order to qualify a good citizen of Pakistan My religion Islam is the main reason behind creation of Pakistan otherwise what was the need of Pakistan as you would be happy staying in largest secular India.

There is a difference between mentioning an issue and addressing an issue.

And thanks for not questioning my belief. If an adult muslim boy or girl marries, on his/her own volition, a non muslim girl/boy, who am I or you to intervene? As far as this being anti islamic, then they as an individual will be answerable on the day of judgement. Polytheism and idol woship are part of hindu religion. Can you and I stop them from doing so? or should we?

As regards to your question if I am a muslim first or an Indian first, let me tell you that i was born to muslim parents on Indian soil and it happenned simultaneously. So its both together. neither is first nor second. Till date I have not come accross a situation where I have to say either Islam or India so its a hypothetical question that does not require a yes or no answer. Its also true that at times i am more tilted towards my religion and at other times i am more tilted towards my nation, it depends on situation but never has a time come where i have had to do something at the cost of the other. The question you are asking me is often asked by hindu extremists in India. I am surprized at the commonality between you and them. I just hope you dont ask anyone such question again.

 

[HariPrasad]

Do you doubt the Chinese technology, or do you doubt the speed at which they can build things, or do you doubt that our credit is not acceptable to them. You see all the research the Chinese are doing for a plane that will be at most, a point defender for them for us, and yet you say that AIP is far away. And those will be an addition to the AIP subs we already have

I certainly doubt the quality. We show that i Planes , Submarines, guns and every military stuff.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

There is a difference between mentioning an issue and addressing an issue.

And thanks for not questioning my belief. If an adult muslim boy or girl marries, on his/her own volition, a non muslim girl/boy, who am I or you to intervene? As far as this being anti islamic, then they as an individual will be answerable on the day of judgement. Polytheism and idol woship are part of hindu religion. Can you and I stop them from doing so? or should we?

As regards to your question if I am a muslim first or an Indian first, let me tell you that i was born to muslim parents on Indian soil and it happenned simultaneously. So its both together. neither is first nor second. Till date I have not come accross a situation where I have to say either Islam or India so its a hypothetical question that does not require a yes or no answer. Its also true that at times i am more tilted towards my religion and at other times i am more tilted towards my nation, it depends on situation but never has a time come where i have had to do something at the cost of the other. The question you are asking me is often asked by hindu extremists in India. I am surprized at the commonality between you and them. I just hope you dont ask anyone such question again.

You are just jumping left and right without coming on actuals points. I am straight forward and my opinions are straight forwards. If i am differentiating Islam from Hinduism don't mean that i hate Hindus and to make clear differences between monotheism and polytheism practices would not make me extremist. I never said you should go and fight with those Indian Muslims who mix practices of Hinduism with Islam and make it some stupid mixture of deen e akbar to get approval from others that they are open mind and got assimilate in Hindu/Indian culture and are not just follower of Islam which many Hindus think is religion of invaders of India .Most of your fellow Indian Hindus think that your forefathers were cowards who got converted by the will of sword and now you should join ghar wapisi scheme . You are following religion of those people who looted and invaded your dear mother india lol What you say?

We all know Islamic concept of touheed and marrying with mushrik? right? So we tell that these practices are wrong based on instruction of Islam/Allah then are we judging them when we label these practices wrong based on teaching of our religion Islam? Judging some acts as right or wrong as per Islamic teaching is not same as judging iman of a person that whether he will go to hell or heaven or whether Allah will forgive them or not.. People are free to do whatever they want as they have fredom of making choices for them even if we consider them wrong choices

You intentionally ignore my previous posts without paying attention to it. I already said that nationalist defend his country at any cost even if his country or his leadership commit wrong things or do injustice to others but nationalist will defend it as long as he see it brining political interests or benefits to his/her country/people even at the cost of others. He has no moral values and no principles while God fearing person is slave of Allah and will raise his voice even against his own brother and country man if they do some injustice or corruption or go against the laws of Allah which we Muslim believe are perfect . Islam ask you to care about welfare of others Muslim irrespective of their countries (Without doubt the believers are brothers of one another so then make peace and harmony between your brothers and have consciousness of Allah so that maybe He will show you mercy.)thats why i was asking this question but as usual you are hesitant in giving me clear answer .I understand if you are afraid of fellow Indians lol

 

[krash]

I tend to stay away from such topics but.....

Quaid-e-Azam didn't just pull Pakistan out of a hat; the movement went through numerous stages that ranged from the demand of constitutional safe-guards to autonomy and finally culminated in the creation of the State of Pakistan which was demonstrated by how the Muslim League won almost 90% of all Muslim seats in the legislature in the 1946 Elections1,2 and got more than 75% of all Muslim vote cast3 because *hint...hint* the Muslim League wasn't using Roti,Kapra and Makan as its political slogan it was 'a separate Muslim homeland' ! And this does not even include other parties who supported the Muslim League like factions of the Communist Party.

Ironically enough many of the Muslims associated with the Congress Parties were the likes of Jamiat-i-Ahrar and Jamiat-i-Ulema-Hind - One has to be a very 'special person' to think of those bearded buffoons as progressive elements.

On the other hand if one were to engage in jingoism and needless one-upmanship one could point towards the contents of the Sachar Committee Report4, the current PEW's Social Hostility Involving Religion Index5 and the Kundu Committee Report6 to drive the point home but because Pakistan's creation and continued existence has got nothing to do with what happens to Indian Muslims anymore than India's abject social and economic indicators does not diminish, in hindsight, her right to seek independence from Britain under the pretense of 'exploitation by the Gora Sahib', I really don't care if Indian Muslims are elevated to some messianic status or nailed to the cross.

On the other hand if a Hindu in Pakistan suffers - It is our shame and our responsibility to rectify it. Period - No ifs....no buts. And if a Hindu feels the same sense of pride and ownership in Pakistan as we do - It is our pride and our joy...no one else's. We must root out the evils and failings in our society without looking to other's failures to rationalize our own.

The only thing that matters, has ever mattered and will ever matter is that we create a truly democratic and pluralistic Pakistan in line with the principles of Islam that teach us justice, fairplay and the equality of man, as so eloquently enunciated by Our Father - Muhammad Ali Jinnah on numerous occasions. A Pakistan where all can live and breath as free people without any ill will, malice or favoritism directed at them by any quarter. A Pakistan where nepotism, corruption, provincialism, sectarianism and fanaticism of any kind is dealt with and shunned with the same resolve and disgust that one has for a child molester. A Pakistan where the very words and deeds of Jinnah, Iqbal and Fatima Jinnah are more than just mere words to update one's facebook status with but are practiced in letter and spirit by us - their Children.

That is Jinnah's Pakistan !

References:

1. Pakistan: A Global Studies Handbook By Yasmeen Niaz Mohiuddin (pg.70)
2. Break-Up : Weekend Reading: Who Voted For Partition? | Retributions and Redditing | Provincial Election Results, 1946. [After the Lahore declaration (1940) and subsequent events of Muslim League, voting for Muslim League in this election essentially meant voting for creation of Pakistan] by that70s_show
3. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tFaPSJCu8-8/TUJE9QJtQoI/AAAAAAAADqo/4UVJ_1ia6Oo/s1600/00000236.png
4. Sachar Committee Report |
5. Global Restrictions on Religion as of 2013 | Pew Research Center
   
6. 4 months on, no movement on Kundu committee report | The Indian Express

@krash @Jungibaaz @DESERT FIGHTER

Beautifully put lala

 

[Razia Sultana]

You are just jumping left and right without coming on actuals points. I am straight forward and my opinions are straight forwards. If i am differentiating Islam from Hinduism don't mean that i hate Hindus and to make clear differences between monotheism and polytheism practices would not make me extremist. I never said you should go and fight with those Indian Muslims who mix practices of Hinduism with Islam and make it some stupid mixture of deen e akbar to get approval from others that they are open mind and got assimilate in Hindu/Indian culture and are not just follower of Islam which many Hindus think is religion of invaders of India .Most of your fellow Indian Hindus think that your forefathers were cowards who got converted by the will of sword and now you should join ghar wapisi scheme . You are following religion of those people who looted and invaded your dear mother india lol What you say?
We all know Islamic concept of touheed and marrying with mushrik? right? So we tell that these practices are wrong based on instruction of Islam/Allah then are we judging them when we label these practices wrong based on teaching of our religion Islam? Judging some acts as right or wrong as per Islamic teaching is not same as judging iman of a person that whether he will go to hell or heaven or whether Allah will forgive them or not.. People are free to do whatever they want as they have fredom of making choices for them even if we consider them wrong choices
You intentionally ignore my previous posts without paying attention to it. I already said that nationalist defend his country at any cost even if his country or his leadership commit wrong things or do injustice to others but nationalist will defend it as long as he see it brining political interests or benefits to his/her country/people even at the cost of others. He has no moral values and no principles while God fearing person is slave of Allah and will raise his voice even against his own brother and country man if they do some injustice or corruption or go against the laws of Allah which we Muslim believe are perfect . Islam ask you to care about welfare of others Muslim irrespective of their countries (Without doubt the believers are brothers of one another so then make peace and harmony between your brothers and have consciousness of Allah so that maybe He will show you mercy.)thats why i was asking this question but as usual you are hesitant in giving me clear answer .I understand if you are afraid of fellow Indians lol

The one who has faith in Allah fears no one. The way all believers are brothers, my fellow citizens are my brothers too and why should I be afraid of my fellow Indians. There is nothing wrong in defending one's own country, in the same way as we defend our religion. The political leaders are mortal individuals who hold an authority as per the wishes of the people under a constitution. If I have faith in the constitution of India, it does not matter who holds what constitutional position. I am not a Modi fan but he is our prime minister. He may be biased in his thoughts but under the constitution he can not act partially. India is a democracy and has many religion based parties but no party has disputed the basic tenets of our constitution. There may be a situation that I may not like certain policies of the government but thats part of a democracy. Supporting the fellow believers world over against injustice is one thing but for me, raising voice against injustice in my neighbourhood is more important regardless of the religious beliefs.
As regards to inter faith marriages, as far as I know the women do convert to Islam as without that Nikah can not be performed. Sharmila Tagore, Kareena Kapoor, Salman Khan's mother are all muslims but how far do they practice islam, is none of my business. In the same way the muslim women I know who married non muslim men are continuing to be muslims. They themselves will be answerable for their deeds.
Also, all Indians are indians whether hindu, muslim, christian, jew, buddhist or sikh and all have some common and some distinct culture. No one tells us that we are arabs or central asians but its only us who try to find our roots somewhere in central asia or arab or some of us who converted still remember their castes if they were brahmin or rajputs. Even hindus are not original to india, they themselves say that aryans came from central asia and before that the land was inhabited by dravidians. We muslims or anyone else, dont have to show off or prove anything to anyone here. The mightiest mughal Akbar had no compulsion to start his deen-e-elahi, nor he had to prove anything to hindus or anyone. He was liberal and Aurangzeb was not. Bahadur Shah Zafar, when exiled, did not cry for central asian land but the land where he was born and lived his life. Gurbat me ho agar hum rahta hai dil watan me..... samjho hume waheen per dil ho jahan hamara............ by Iqbal and Babul mora naihar chhuto jaye... by Nawab Wajed Ali Shah talk a lot about the land they were referring to.
Coming to hindus, as against the popular belief in your country, the majority of the pilgrims at various Dargahs like Ajmer Sharief, Deva Sharief, Hazrat Nizamuddin, Haji Ali etc etc. are hindus. Some fanatics are there among hindus and also among muslims but they are miniscule and majority dont support them. The flip side is that the number of such people in both the communities is rising.

 

[Shariq786]

Nop we are both not same. For different reasons, of which one being the Nukes. We are working on the plans to wipe out our enemies while you on the other hand are working on wiping out the entire human race.

and the entire human race lives in INDIA you trying to sluaghter 22 million people is good we trying to do the same but just because our enemy is 5 times larger so larger casualties....