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ok you asking for opinions of non-arab muslims?? A big NO from me.... Relation with Israel?? We don't recognize them as state because of the way the illegal country was created.....

Anyway in Bangladesh, no one has any sympathy for Israel! So this kind of debate is irrelevant in my country!!
 
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I am not a Genius like you my dear fellow members below is my humble comments.

what makes the Israel so powerful. Hitler had killed over 6 million Jews in the 2nd world war.
Think what are the causes behind the strength of the Israel.

I myself asked my Sheikh about the same thing and he replied;

They are the children of Prophet and Prophet made a dua for them that O God! never put my descendants in hunger. May there be no poverty over them.
 
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See what I have been talking about? Talk logic or anything "Pro Pakistan" and muslim bradrin will treat you as a traitor :D BAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Israelis are against us so we have no relations with them. Arabs are against us? Why do we see Arabs as brothers then? Are we idiots??




:rofl: This is good Arabs are calling me Aran B, and now Iranians are calling me super Arab :no:
 
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saudi saudi saudi . . . . etc

u really make me lunch , not feel tired and you're talking about KSA every day !!?

generally this is not surprising , your defense of Iran has become clear to me that you are shia , anyway i want give u some advice stay away from politics, you are not doing good, i do not know of laughed to you and make ​​you feel that you are good writer
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Israelis are against us so we have no relations with them. Arabs are against us? Why do we see Arabs as brothers then? Are we idiots??




:rofl: This is good Arabs are calling me Aran B, and now Iranians are calling me super Arab :no:

lap dog is always called a lap dog no matter what!
 
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This is not an Arab vs non Arab issue.
This is a human right and human morality issue.

Even Indian never committed genocide to the extend of Isreal.
India never forced the Kashmiri people to leave their homeland while it imported Hindus into Kashmir.

Arabs having relations with India is not a big deal, even Pakistan will have a relation with it once our problems are sorted out.

On the other hand, how can you look at the state of Palestinians and say "I don't care that your child was murdered, your sister raped, and your father is being tortured in Jail"

So why do we have relations with Saudis who are on the same page as Israel in Syria and want to weaken Iranians who claim to be doing all this for Palestinians.

Do you not see the inconsistency of our position in international relations

lap dog is always called a lap dog no matter what!

Is that what you are??
 
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Get your facts straight. I support the FSA against the criminal Bashar, but I never ever supported an invasion of Syria. I never expressed any support for America or Israel in the Syrian conflict thread.
FSA aren't traitors, they're fighting that criminal called Bashar who is exterminating his people.
You're going to a completely irrelevant topic. The Syrian conflict has its own thread, and just because I have an opinion that's against yours on that topic doesn't mean that I can't explain my opinion here.

No I believe that it is. You Arabs and your leaders and I started by saying this do not know your left from your right.

Iran supports Palestinians for that they are getting punished with sanctions and Syria is being weakened. Arabs and their leaders are supporting Israeli actions against Iran and Syria does that make sense to you??
 
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Now I would like to put a piece here from a Palestinian writer. But remember one thing that if we want to be supporters of Palestinians we must fight for the destruction of some Arab countries that are complicit namely Saudi and their leaders. Yes lets be consistent then when we ask for the destruction of Israel lets ask for the destruction of Saudi and other dictators who are assisting in the killings of Muslim Arabs and we should side with Iran


Excuse Me, But Israel Has No Right To Exist

By Sharmine Narwani - Thu, 2012-05-17 21:46- The Sandbox

The phrase “right to exist” entered my consciousness in the 1990s just as the concept of the two-state solution became part of our collective lexicon. In any debate at university, when a Zionist was out of arguments, those three magic words were invoked to shut down the conversation with an outraged, “are you saying Israel doesn’t have the right to exist??”

Of course you couldn’t challenge Israel’s right to exist – that was like saying you were negating a fundamental Jewish right to have…rights, with all manner of Holocaust guilt thrown in for effect.

Except of course the Holocaust is not my fault – or that of Palestinians. The cold-blooded program of ethnically cleansing Europe of its Jewish population has been so callously and opportunistically utilized to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arab nation, that it leaves me utterly unmoved. I have even caught myself – shock - rolling my eyes when I hear Holocaust and Israel in the same sentence.

What moves me instead in this post-two-state era, is the sheer audacity of Israel even existing.

What a fantastical idea, this notion that a bunch of rank outsiders from another continent could appropriate an existing, populated nation for themselves – and convince the “global community” that it was the moral thing to do. I’d laugh at the chutzpah if this wasn’t so serious.

Even more brazen is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population by persecuted Jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed.

But what is truly frightening is the psychological manipulation of the masses into believing that Palestinians are somehow dangerous – “terrorists” intent on “driving Jews into the sea.” As someone who makes a living through words, I find the use of language in creating perceptions to be intriguing. This practice – often termed “public diplomacy” has become an essential tool in the world of geopolitics. Words, after all, are the building blocks of our psychology.

Take, for example, the way we have come to view the Palestinian-Israeli “dispute” and any resolution of this enduring conflict. And here I borrow liberally from a previous article of mine…

The United States and Israel have created the global discourse on this issue, setting stringent parameters that grow increasingly narrow regarding the content and direction of this debate. Anything discussed outside the set parameters has, until recently, widely been viewed as unrealistic, unproductive and even subversive.

Participation in the debate is limited only to those who prescribe to its main tenets: the acceptance of Israel, its regional hegemony and its qualitative military edge; acceptance of the shaky logic upon which the Jewish state's claim to Palestine is based; and acceptance of the inclusion and exclusion of certain regional parties, movements and governments in any solution to the conflict.


Words like dove, hawk, militant, extremist, moderates, terrorists, Islamo-fascists, rejectionists, existential threat, holocaust-denier, mad mullah determine the participation of solution partners -- and are capable of instantly excluding others.

Then there is the language that preserves "Israel's Right To Exist" unquestioningly: anything that invokes the Holocaust, anti-Semitism and the myths about historic Jewish rights to the land bequeathed to them by the Almighty – as though God was in the real-estate business. This language seeks not only to ensure that a Jewish connection to Palestine remains unquestioned, but importantly, seeks to punish and marginalize those who tackle the legitimacy of this modern colonial-settler experiment.

But this group-think has led us nowhere. It has obfuscated, distracted, deflected, ducked, and diminished, and we are no closer to a satisfactory conclusion…because the premise is wrong.

There is no fixing this problem. This is the kind of crisis in which you cut your losses, realize the error of your ways and reverse course. Israel is the problem. It is the last modern-day colonial-settler experiment, conducted at a time when these projects were being unraveled globally.

There is no “Palestinian-Israeli conflict” – that suggests some sort of equality in power, suffering, and negotiable tangibles, and there is no symmetry whatsoever in this equation. Israel is the Occupier and Oppressor; Palestinians are the Occupied and Oppressed. What is there to negotiate? Israel holds all the chips. They can give back some land, property, rights, but even that is an absurdity – what about everything else? What about ALL the land, property and rights? Why do they get to keep anything – how is the appropriation of land and property prior to 1948 fundamentally different from the appropriation of land and property on this arbitrary 1967 date?

Why are the colonial-settlers prior to 1948 any different from those who colonized and settled after 1967?

Let me correct myself. Palestinians do hold one chip that Israel salivates over – the one big demand at the negotiating table that seems to hold up everything else. Israel craves recognition of its “right to exist.”

But you do exist - don’t you, Israel?

Israel fears “delegitimization” more than anything else. Behind the velvet curtain lies a state built on myths and narratives, protected only by a military behemoth, billions of dollars in US assistance and a lone UN Security Council veto. Nothing else stands between the state and its dismantlement. Without these three things, Israelis would not live in an entity that has come to be known as the “least safe place for Jews in the world.”

Strip away the spin and the gloss, and you quickly realize that Israel doesn’t even have the basics of a normal state. After 64 years, it doesn’t have borders. After six decades, it has never been more isolated. Over half a century later, and it needs a gargantuan military just to stop Palestinians from walking home.

Israel is a failed experiment. It is on life-support – pull those three plugs and it is a cadaver, living only in the minds of some seriously deluded foreigners who thought they could pull off the heist of the century.

The most important thing we can do as we hover on the horizon of One State is to shed the old language rapidly. None of it was real anyway – it was just the parlance of that particular “game.” Grow a new vocabulary of possibilities – the new state will be the dawn of humanity’s great reconciliation. Muslims, Christians and Jews living together in Palestine as they once did.

Naysayers can take a hike. Our patience is wearing thinner than the walls of the hovels that Palestinian refugees have called “home” for three generations in their purgatory camps.

These universally exploited refugees are entitled to the nice apartments – the ones that have pools downstairs and a grove of palm trees outside the lobby. Because the kind of compensation owed for this failed western experiment will never be enough.

And no, nobody hates Jews. That is the fallback argument screeched in our ears – the one “firewall” remaining to protect this Israeli Frankenstein. I don’t even care enough to insert the caveats that are supposed to prove I don’t hate Jews. It is not a provable point, and frankly, it is a straw man of an argument. If Jews who didn’t live through the Holocaust still feel the pain of it, then take that up with the Germans. Demand a sizeable plot of land in Germany – and good luck to you.

For anti-Semites salivating over an article that slams Israel, ply your trade elsewhere – you are part of the reason this problem exists.

Israelis who don’t want to share Palestine as equal citizens with the indigenous Palestinian population – the ones who don’t want to relinquish that which they demanded Palestinians relinquish 64 years ago - can take their second passports and go back home. Those remaining had better find a positive attitude – Palestinians have shown themselves to be a forgiving lot. The amount of carnage they have experienced at the hands of their oppressors – without proportional response – shows remarkable restraint and faith.

This is less the death of a Jewish state than it is the demise of the last remnants of modern-day colonialism. It is a rite of passage – we will get through it just fine. At this particular precipice in the 21st century, we are all, universally, Palestinian – undoing this wrong is a test of our collective humanity, and nobody has the right to sit this one out.

Israel has no right to exist. Break that mental barrier and just say it: “Israel has no right to exist.” Roll it around your tongue, tweet it, post it as your Facebook status update – do it before you think twice. Delegitimization is here – have no fear. Palestine will be less painful than Israel ever was.



So many of you were doing such a $hit job of standing up for Palestinians that I thought that as they have no voice on the forum I would speak for Palestinians as well lol. I would welcome Ptex or any Israeli to rebut the above
 
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saudi saudi saudi . . . . etc

u really make me lunch , not feel tired and you're talking about KSA every day !!?

generally this is not surprising , your defense of Iran has become clear to me that you are shia , anyway i want give u some advice stay away from politics, you are not doing good, i do not know of laughed to you and make ​​you feel that you are good writer
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Anyone who dislikes Saudi is a Shia?? No I am not
 
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So many of you were doing such a $hit job of standing up for Palestinians that I thought that as they have no voice on the forum I would speak for Palestinians as well lol. I would welcome Ptex or any Israeli to rebut the above
Man you crack me up - LMAO - I knew they are mentally challenged, but why the free help??? :D
 
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I think it is better not to. Pakistan would lose support from it's Arab allies. And it won't be the same Pakistan anymore if it decides to befriend Israel and India. Better to not lose one's identity.
 
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I think it is better not to. Pakistan would lose support from it's Arab allies. And it won't be the same Pakistan anymore if it decides to befriend Israel and India. Better to not lose one's identity.
Which support and what identity? Please elaborate.
P.S. Any change for Pakistan at this point in time will be positive.
 
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I think it is better not to. Pakistan would lose support from it's Arab allies. And it won't be the same Pakistan anymore if it decides to befriend Israel and India. Better to not lose one's identity.

I don't think so. Arabs will not react to it as many of them have relations with Israel, they have no right to question Pakistan. I am just curious, how would Israelis treat them, may be better than South Sudanese and maybe not. :undecided:
 
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Think about it like this... When they know that Pakistanis are their friends and that Pakistan has retargeted its nuclear arsenal, what do you think they will feel like?

Again you're being a typical low-life A-Rab and making a veiled attack by saying "may be better than South Sudanese and maybe not."

Come-on... Say it in the open... Why the old A-Rab cloak all the time?

I don't think so. Arabs will not react to it as many of them have relations with Israel, they have no right to question Pakistan. I am just curious, how would Israelis treat them, may be better than South Sudanese and maybe not. :undecided:
 
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