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Israel "an Insect Challenging Iranian Nation"

Ahmadinejad Calls Israel "an Insect Challenging Iranian Nation"

Statements such as the one quoted above do nothing except fuel anger & hatred. Iran isn't a weak nation, but neither is Israel, & underestimating each other's abilities isn't a smart move.

It seems that the Iranian president is making fun of Israel's geographical size. However, he should know that the land mass of a country is not indicative of a nation's strength.

Military & technological superiority is a lot more important in modern times as compared to the number of soldiers or the quantity of weapons, etc.
 
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Insects sometimes cause many problems. Mosquito is an Insect, it causes even death by spreading malaria :) :pdf:
 
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Are you deluded? This little "insect" royally spanked all Arab countries. All of them were at the mercy of Israel in 1967. Israel could expand to include Cairo, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus or even Mecca/Medina if they wished so. Only USSR saved you people.

In '73, during the end of war, Israeli army was only a short distance from Cairo and could capture it with some effort.

Today, this little "insect" leads the world in technology and possesses multimegaton nukes which can flatten the whole middle east in a matter of minutes.

This question should be posed to you. Where do you find these fanciful material from? Is it reasonable to think that this 'insect' was capable of taking over all Arab capitals but did not do so? Consider its treatment of Arab civilians in Palestine and neighbouring countries to judge better.

I did not expect such a highly ignorant response from you seeing that you have generally provided reasonable arguments.

Now answer this: When did all 22 Arab countries fight this insect?

Also, you are making yourself look like an ignorant Indian with your claims about this insect taking over Makkah, Madinah and many other Arab capitals. It's just nonsensical.

Edit: This insect even with the help of USA military in 1973 was in no position to take over Ismaeliya or Suez cities, forget about the megalomaniac claims of taking over Cairo. It was Sharon that was busted, not Shazly nor Saad Mamun in that war. It was Golda Meir and Dayan that cried and whined, and then resigned and died from shame and horror.

More than 500 tanks were admitted to be lost by these insects in the first 2 days of the war, and that was from their own admission, which does not count the real numbers. This insect can be eliminated like any insects by sufficient distribution of insecticides, which both of its Arab neighbours on its border (Egypt and Syria) possess in sufficient quantity to eliminate all traces of these insects' origin (if we use rhetoric like you).
 
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Let me quote some facts about US aid to Israel:

US aid to Israel is vastly overestimated. Israel was not always an economic and military superpower in the Middle East. From the time that the State was established in 1948 until the Six Day War, Israel's economy was in a precarious state. Israel's military situation was no better. The IDF was spread thin over its borders. America had declared an embargo on weapons shipments to the Middle East. All the Arab armies in that era were supplied exclusively with USSR arms, so that the American embargo was actually a U.S. death sentence for Israel. It seemed that Israel's days were numbered. In those difficult days Israel did not get even one bullet or one cent in aid from the Americans.

When did the American "aid" begin to pour into Israel? After Israel's "aggression" in 1967, when it conquered the Sinai, Judea, Samaria, the Golan Heights and after its post-war economy began to boom. Then, when it was clear that Israel was stronger than its neighbors, the American "aid" began to flow.

At present, US aid to Israel is no more than 3% of its budget. Only half of the aid is for military purposes. Yes, 3%. Doesn't pakistan also get US aid which is also about 3% of its budget?

US also gives military aid to Egypt. Palestine received about 500 million $s of aid in 2010. Statistics say that 75% of US aid to Israel is spent on the US in order to generate profits and jobs in more than 1,000 companies in 46 states.



"The importance of maneuvering so your enemy is hit in his weakest points." ~ Sun Tzu’s, The Art of War

Although the United States is unassailable from a military standpoint in the region, the Washington dollar and Treasury debt are our weakest points and the entire world knows this.

If you have noticed, whenever Saudi Arabia is mentioned, the establishment news coverage is always followed by a comforting statement stressing how the House of Saud will somehow escape the political change in the region. The fall of the Saudi monarchy or serious unrest in the Shiite oil producing region of Saudi Arabia is the "elephant in the room" that no one wants to discuss or write about and why the threat is being ignored and going unaddressed.

The reason is all of the oil produced in the Persian Gulf region outside of Iran is currently priced in US dollars thus allowing the United States and the Federal Reserve to create more dollars at will. 87% of the oil exported out of the Persian Gulf is priced in US dollars and as I explained last week in The Great Anglo-American Gaddafi Deception, the pricing of oil in dollars is a major contributor to maintaining the dollar’s role as the world’s reserve currency.
I believe the Washington Treasury debt and US dollar Ponzi scheme would risk collapse if these five nations mentioned above should threaten or seriously consider pricing oil in gold, Euros, SDR’s or any other currency other than dollars. In addition, Israel wouldn’t survive even with its feared Samson option for more than a few months if the US should lose in the region. Therefore the existence of Israel and the economic survival of the United States, our fiat dollar and the continued rollover of our Treasury debt are very dependent on friendly governments controlled and protected by Washington maintaining power at any price in the Persian Gulf.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27391.html

So for those of you who are asleep please wake up. If this Saudi Royal family really wanted to support palestinians or twist americas arm they could. The fact that they dont shows me just one thing that is that they are only concerned with their own survival at any cost to the muslim or non muslim world. This persian/turkish obsession is just a cover for their real evil designs. They dont give a damn about palestinians or any other arabs, muslims or anyone else

Read this I posted on another thread. I will find you further evidence
 
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This question should be posed to you. Where do you find these fanciful material from? Is it reasonable to think that this 'insect' was capable of taking over all Arab capitals but did not do so? Consider its treatment of Arab civilians in Palestine and neighbouring countries to judge better.

Also, you are making yourself look like an ignorant Indian with your claims about this insect taking over Makkah, Madinah and many other Arab capitals. It's just nonsensical.

Yes, based on my study of the Israeli position after 1967 war, yes, it could take over all Arab capitals if it wished to, with some effort. The Arabian airforces were decimated. Israel already occupied enough territory which housed over one million Arab civilians. Syria's defense lines were shattered. What makes you think they couldn't take over, say, Damascus or Cairo? Do you even know Israel's military capabilities? Arabs suffered heavy casualties by Israel whereas Israel suffered comparatively little - thanks to its pre-emptive attack decision.

About treatment of Arab civilians, you seem to be influenced by pallywood propaganda. You better check the quotes of Arab officials which called for destruction of Israel repeatedly before pointing hands at Israelis. The Arab mentality is a sick one at that.

Now answer this: When did all 22 Arab countries fight this insect?

Main belligerents in those wars were Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Supported by Arab expeditionary forces from eight different countries also pakistan.

My counter question is: Are all 22 Arab countries even capable of fighting a war beyond their territory?

Edit: This insect even with the help of USA military in 1973 was in no position to take over Ismaeliya or Suez cities, forget about the megalomaniac claims of taking over Cairo. It was Sharon that was busted, not Shazly nor Saad Mamun in that war. It was Golda Meir and Dayan that cried and whined, and then resigned and died from shame and horror.

More than 500 tanks were admitted to be lost by these insects in the first 2 days of the war, and that was from their own admission, which does not count the real numbers. This insect can be eliminated like any insects by sufficient distribution of insecticides, which both of its Arab neighbours on its border (Egypt and Syria) possess in sufficient quantity to eliminate all traces of these insects' origin (if we use rhetoric like you).

Yes, Israeli casualties in the first few days of 1973 war was heavy because of the surprise element of Egypt. Nothing to be proud of. But during the conclusion of the conflict, Israeli forces were 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus which is much more than what was captured during 6 day war. Again, Israel spared the attack on Arab capitals otherwise, with US financial backing it could easily take over those cities.

ns mentioned above should threaten or seriously consider pricing oil in gold, Euros, SDR’s or any other currency other than dollars. In addition, Israel wouldn’t survive even with its feared Samson option for more than a few months if the US should lose in the region. Therefore the existence of Israel and the economic survival of the United States, our fiat dollar and the continued rollover of our Treasury debt are very dependent on friendly governments controlled and protected by Washington maintaining power at any price in the Persian Gulf.

Well, as I told you before, for Israel the problem is its energy dependency. Although US has a treaty with Israel where US will make up for any energy embargoes on Israel, this remains a vulnerability.

If US withdraws from middle east, the problem is : Israel's energy security is not guaranteed. At present, oil pipelines from Iraq is providing security to Israel, guarded by 5 permanent US military bases.

So, yes, I would agree with you that if US withdraws, Israel's survival may be difficult. What Israel would do is probably launch an invasion of Sinai to take over the oilfields. In that situation, it would not hesitate to use nukes.

But we were talking of US aid to israel, which is still like peanuts. US presence in ME is more because of its strategic interests in petrodollar.
 
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Yes, based on my study of the Israeli position after 1967 war, yes, it could take over all Arab capitals if it wished to, with some effort. The Arabian airforces were decimated. Israel already occupied enough territory which housed over one million Arab civilians. Syria's defense lines were shattered. What makes you think they couldn't take over, say, Damascus or Cairo? Do you even know Israel's military capabilities? Arabs suffered heavy casualties by Israel whereas Israel suffered comparatively little - thanks to its pre-emptive attack decision.

About treatment of Arab civilians, you seem to be influenced by pallywood propaganda. You better check the quotes of Arab officials which called for destruction of Israel repeatedly before pointing hands at Israelis. The Arab mentality is a sick one at that.

This means you failed in your study.

This insect took over Golan and Sinai when it was capable, took over all of Palestine when it was capable, but left alone Cairo, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus, and all other Arab cities. What does this tell you? Any sane person would say this insect was NOT CAPABLE of taking over any of those cities, that's why they did not.

Do not waste our time. For some reason, while this forum attracts many good reasoned arguments, maybe your recent exchanges with some other members or some personal issues, has downgraded your reasoning capability recently. I hope this trend is reversed.


Main belligerents in those wars were Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Supported by Arab expeditionary forces from eight different countries also pakistan.

My counter question is: Are all 22 Arab countries even capable of fighting a war beyond their territory?

Why should you ask a counterquestion when you have not yet answered the original question? I claimed that never did the 22 Arab countries fight this insect together, not even once, but you claimed:

This little "insect" royally spanked all Arab countries. All of them were at the mercy of Israel in 1967.

Then? Do you admit you were wrong? Let's be gracious enough to admit your mistakes.


Yes, Israeli casualties in the first few days of 1973 war was heavy because of the surprise element of Egypt. Nothing to be proud of. But during the conclusion of the conflict, Israeli forces were 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus which is much more than what was captured during 6 day war. Again, Israel spared the attack on Arab capitals otherwise, with US financial backing it could easily take over those cities.

The casualties for the insect was high throughout, whenever the 'war' intensified. Bangladeshi citizens are all over the world, does this mean Bangladesh has taken over the whole world? Does this mean Bangladesh can take over the whole world?

How is it even reasonable to assume that this 'insect's' supply line passing from this insect's bases all the way through Sinai to "Africa" could be secured if Egypt did not hold back due to American threat? If it was truly capable, it should have pushed its thrust against the 2nd and/or 3rd armies strongly placed in the Sinai after the complete elimination of the Bar Lev line, and which was not for once removed from the Sinai once the Bar Lev Line was decimated. What could this insect do to push the 2nd and/or 3rd Army into the Suez Canal? Nothing?

Why did Sharon avoid facing either of these two armies and started disobeying his commander's orders?

On the Syrian front, with the arrival of other Arab armies, mostly Iraqi army reinforcements, mostly along the Sasha ridge if my spelling and memory does not betray me, the insect's progress was stopped. Palestinians have always lived within a few kilometres of Al Quds/Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, or other cities in this 'insect's' body, does this mean Palestinians were about to take over Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

Use factual analyses, accounts and proof from all sides to understand that a lot of facts were hidden, and a lot of 'facts' were manufactured by this insect and their 'allies' in the Western world to distort the truth. The same as they do with Iran.

The fact is despite the failures of secularism, Arab nationalism, and other factors like lack of unity, lack of Islamic ideology, lack of coordination, the Arabs gained victory over this insect despite the same old 'lack of unity' creeping up and marring the show because none of them could agree on how to end it, when to end it, on what terms to end the war or on what terms to continue the war, and so on.

Egyptians destroyed the Bar Lev line which this insect could never build again. This insect could not take over Ismaelia and Suez despite all their attempts, and you want to believe they could take over Cairo? I had some respect for you in the past, but...I hope you gain your senses back.

Even Syria which fared very poorly early on and was not really ready for the war (and its leader Hafez Al Assad was a secular Alawite Baathist dominating the country's government with its 'chosen 'people') could claim a draw based on the fact that the Iraqi reinforcements stopped this insect on its tracks (despite no Iraqi preparations and prior knowledge of this war. Iraqis apparently did not even have any military maps to use because Syria and Iraqi regimes had some sort of enmity). Also, Quneitra/Kuneitera (spelling?) was gained back despite Syria never signing any peace deal with this insect.

The conclusion is that the use of force and the successful demonstration of (neighbouring) Arab countries' military power caused the insect to flee those territories.

That was a brief lesson. I have no time write volumes on historical events at PDF.
 
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This means you failed in your study.

This insect took over Golan and Sinai when it was capable, took over all of Palestine when it was capable, but left alone Cairo, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus, and all other Arab cities. What does this tell you? Any sane person would say this insect was NOT CAPABLE of taking over any of those cities, that's why they did not.

If you had studied the whole scenario instead of the (commonly held) view of Arab/pallywood propaganda, you would know that it was stopped by USSR's threat to intervene. Otherwise, you are living in cuckoo land if you assume Israel was incapable with US backing to take over all Arab capitals and expand its territory by several hundred percent more in addition to what it already occupied in 1967.

For a starter, you can read this: IMRA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 Excerpt - How The USSR Planned To Destroy Israel in 1967

Do not waste our time. For some reason, while this forum attracts many good reasoned arguments, maybe your recent exchanges with some other members or some personal issues, has downgraded your reasoning capability recently. I hope this trend is reversed.

Resorting to personal attack in the midst of arguments is not the quality of a civilized person. You better adhere to civilized norms here.

Why should you ask a counterquestion when you have not yet answered the original question? I claimed that never did the 22 Arab countries fight this insect together, not even once, but you claimed:This little "insect" royally spanked all Arab countries. All of them were at the mercy of Israel in 1967.
Then? Do you admit you were wrong? Let's be gracious enough to admit your mistakes.

Much depend on what you mean by "Arabs". Do you consider Algeria to be an Arab country? Arabic-speaking or ethnic Arabian people?

For me, I consider GCC and Egypt to be Arabian territory. By that measure, yes, considering expeditionary forces they were all involved more or less.

Now you and I both know the answer to that question: most of them are "incapable" of fighting any offensive war outside their borders.

The casualties for the insect was high throughout, whenever the 'war' intensified. Bangladeshi citizens are all over the world, does this mean Bangladesh has taken over the whole world? Does this mean Bangladesh can take over the whole world?

How is it even reasonable to assume that this 'insect's' supply line passing from this insect's bases all the way through Sinai to "Africa" could be secured if Egypt did not hold back due to American threat? If it was truly capable, it should have pushed its thrust against the 2nd and/or 3rd armies strongly placed in the Sinai after the complete elimination of the Bar Lev line, and which was not for once removed from the Sinai once the Bar Lev Line was decimated. What could this insect do to push the 2nd and/or 3rd Army into the Suez Canal? Nothing?

Why did Sharon avoid facing either of these two armies and started disobeying his commander's orders?

On the Syrian front, with the arrival of other Arab armies, mostly Iraqi army reinforcements, mostly along the Sasha ridge if my spelling and memory does not betray me, the insect's progress was stopped. Palestinians have always lived within a few kilometres of Al Quds/Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, or other cities in this 'insect's' body, does this mean Palestinians were about to take over Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

Use factual analyses, accounts and proof from all sides to understand that a lot of facts were hidden, and a lot of 'facts' were manufactured by this insect and their 'allies' in the Western world to distort the truth. The same as they do with Iran.

The fact is despite the failures of secularism, Arab nationalism, and other factors like lack of unity, lack of Islamic ideology, lack of coordination, the Arabs gained victory over this insect despite the same old 'lack of unity' creeping up and marring the show because none of them could agree on how to end it, when to end it, on what terms to end the war or on what terms to continue the war, and so on.

Egyptians destroyed the Bar Lev line which this insect could never build again. This insect could not take over Ismaelia and Suez despite all their attempts, and you want to believe they could take over Cairo? I had some respect for you in the past, but...I hope you gain your senses back.

Even Syria which fared very poorly early on and was not really ready for the war (and its leader Hafez Al Assad was a secular Alawite Baathist dominating the country's government with its 'chosen 'people') could claim a draw based on the fact that the Iraqi reinforcements stopped this insect on its tracks (despite no Iraqi preparations and prior knowledge of this war. Iraqis apparently did not even have any military maps to use because Syria and Iraqi regimes had some sort of enmity). Also, Quneitra/Kuneitera (spelling?) was gained back despite Syria never signing any peace deal with this insect.

The conclusion is that the use of force and the successful demonstration of (neighbouring) Arab countries' military power caused the insect to flee those territories.

That was a brief lesson. I have no time write volumes on historical events at PDF.

It will be a long debate. All Arabs believe that they won in both 67 and 73. Ask any Arab and you'll know that. Maybe you have grown in a Arab country or are influenced by them to believe that.

I would advise you to take into account both Arab and Israeli/western sources before drawing up any conclusion.
 
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But we were talking of US aid to israel, which is still like peanuts. .

Mate this is not peanuts:

The foreign ‘aid’ in the form of billions of US tax dollars allows Israel its brutal occupation of Palestinian lands. Were the US to halt such ‘aid,’ Immaterial of the effect on the Israeli economy, the occupation would no doubt fast come to an end.”

Israel is a small country little natural resources and at war with its neighbours. From its creation it was dependent upon external aid without which it is no more viable than such states as Jordan

Israel’s greater economic success conceals one of the most polarised societies in the world . “Success” would not produce last years mass protests.

Israel’s economy was the product of a of circumstances: the long post-war boom, overseas grants and loans for investment, a continuous flow of immigrants, many highly qualified, and cheap labour in the form of Palestinian and migrant workers.

In early years, 25 percent of annual income a year came externally, very little from within Israel. All this was provided by foreign aid. A major source came from the Diaspora, which contributed $200 million a year before 1967 and a then massive $700 million a year in the following six years. German reparations money was another source of finance in the early years, $125 million a year before 1966. Even after the reparations ended, West German aid was at a higher level than before.

Then we have America. After 1967, American aid went from $50 million a year to $3 billion a year by 1986, Israel became the highest per capita recipient of American aid in the world. American aid to Israel is a cash transfer not like elsewhere where American goods have to be bought.

the military loans were converted into grants and the remaining loans were written off by Congress. But even these annual $3.5 billion in aid and grants were insufficient. In 1992-96, America provided $10 billion in loan guarantees and a similar amount in 2003. Without such guarantees, Israel would have been bankrupt.

As well as rescuing economy, America funding allowed the settlement expansion even after the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993. Officially President Bill Clinton deducted the cost of settlements from the aid, he made equivalent amounts available as grants from other sources. Another American con

Military aid is now more than $3 billion a year. According to Globes, the US 2012 budget proposed $3.075 billion in military aid for Israel, $75 million more than in fiscal year 2011, rising to $3.1 billion in fiscal year 2013, and remaining at that level through 2018.

Israel would not be able to maintain its military superiority, abuse Arabs or wage war on Arabs. It would mean an even greater assault on the living standards of the Israeli people. This would lead to poor Israelis and poor Palestinians uniting to overthrow American and Zionist plans.

American aid sustains and holds back a revolution not just by Palestinians but by poor Israelis
 
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Mate this is not peanuts:

The foreign ‘aid’ in the form of billions of US tax dollars allows Israel its brutal occupation of Palestinian lands. Were the US to halt such ‘aid,’ Immaterial of the effect on the Israeli economy, the occupation would no doubt fast come to an end.”

Israel is a small country little natural resources and at war with its neighbours. From its creation it was dependent upon external aid without which it is no more viable than such states as Jordan

Israel’s greater economic success conceals one of the most polarised societies in the world . “Success” would not produce last years mass protests.

Israel’s economy was the product of a of circumstances: the long post-war boom, overseas grants and loans for investment, a continuous flow of immigrants, many highly qualified, and cheap labour in the form of Palestinian and migrant workers.

In early years, 25 percent of annual income a year came externally, very little from within Israel. All this was provided by foreign aid. A major source came from the Diaspora, which contributed $200 million a year before 1967 and a then massive $700 million a year in the following six years. German reparations money was another source of finance in the early years, $125 million a year before 1966. Even after the reparations ended, West German aid was at a higher level than before.

Then we have America. After 1967, American aid went from $50 million a year to $3 billion a year by 1986, Israel became the highest per capita recipient of American aid in the world. American aid to Israel is a cash transfer not like elsewhere where American goods have to be bought.

the military loans were converted into grants and the remaining loans were written off by Congress. But even these annual $3.5 billion in aid and grants were insufficient. In 1992-96, America provided $10 billion in loan guarantees and a similar amount in 2003. Without such guarantees, Israel would have been bankrupt.

As well as rescuing economy, America funding allowed the settlement expansion even after the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993. Officially President Bill Clinton deducted the cost of settlements from the aid, he made equivalent amounts available as grants from other sources. Another American con

Military aid is now more than $3 billion a year. According to Globes, the US 2012 budget proposed $3.075 billion in military aid for Israel, $75 million more than in fiscal year 2011, rising to $3.1 billion in fiscal year 2013, and remaining at that level through 2018.

Israel would not be able to maintain its military superiority, abuse Arabs or wage war on Arabs. It would mean an even greater assault on the living standards of the Israeli people. This would lead to poor Israelis and poor Palestinians uniting to overthrow American and Zionist plans.

American aid sustains and holds back a revolution not just by Palestinians but by poor Israelis

Well, I would ask: the $3 billion is still not more than 4% of Israeli budget? How about the voluntary aid-dependancy reduction program that Israel embarked on in the 90s?

I think there are some factual errors as well.. As far as I know, out of 3 billion, about 1.5 billion is for military matters out of which only s set percentage ( I forgot) can be used for new procurement. let me find the source.

My point is, it is not very different from the aid that egypt, pakistan etc gets?
 
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Sorry to say that mate but S-19 is not a person to be trusted..First he said he is a convert in a thread, then he said his family is shia..I doubt if he is Muslim..Not that it matters, but he is a liar..In another thread he mocked Mosa because Jews thanked his comments..Now look at his comments and who thanked them..In every single thread he glorifies Israel..Well i dont care, but you need to open your eyes

And on the topic, What Ahmedinejad said is %100 true..Israel is an insect and needs to be dealt that way..I fully support Iran on this

S-19 mate can you please tell us? A number of people have posted that you are a Zionist?? Is that the case I am surprised I thought you would side on the less fortunate and abuse ie in this case the Palestinians

Well, I would ask: the $3 billion is still not more than 4% of Israeli budget? How about the voluntary aid-dependancy reduction program that Israel embarked on in the 90s?

I think there are some factual errors as well.. As far as I know, out of 3 billion, about 1.5 billion is for military matters out of which only s set percentage ( I forgot) can be used for new procurement. let me find the source.

My point is, it is not very different from the aid that egypt, pakistan etc gets?

1.2 bill but listen there are lots of articles out there go and check it is a Zionist myth that Israel could survive without aid it has received period

As far as the budget goes you need to go do some research. I mean I could do it for you but it would be off topic. Some time ago I silenced our resident Zionist Solomon cos I proved in detail that Israel simply would not exist without aid. Anyway do not take my word within 10 years American dollar will lose reserve currency status and watch what happens to Israel. unfortunately I also live in a country that will suffer (UK) as a result of American demise but that's by the by
 
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S-19 mate can you please tell us? A number of people have posted that you are a Zionist?? Is that the case I am surprised I thought you would side on the less fortunate and abuse ie in this case the Palestinians

Well, I used to support palestine but recently i've changed my stance because I have studied the whole history on the matter. Right from 1900s and my conclusion is that it is the palestinans who are at fault.

And I don't care what they say about me.
 
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Well, I used to support palestine but recently i've changed my stance because I have studied the whole history on the matter. Right from 1900s and my conclusion is that it is the palestinans who are at fault.

And I don't care what they say about me.

So you think that European crimes against Jews should be paid for by Palestinians. It does not matter about popularity here. We are here to learn from each other. We will go off topic here but I suggest you keep an open mind and we will discuss this on another thread on another day.

I would however say to you do not allow Sauds or some Arab misdemeanors to colour your perspective of all Arabs and or Muslims
 
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So you think that European crimes against Jews should be paid for by Palestinians. It does not matter about popularity here. We are here to learn from each other. We will go off topic here but I suggest you keep an open mind and we will discuss this on another thread on another day.

I would however say to you do not allow Sauds or some Arab misdemeanors to colour your perspective of all Arabs and or Muslims

Sure , hope to discuss with you some other day. Prefereably the whole history on the matter.

I wouldn't and I perfer to stand behind Iran as far as Arab persian rivalry is concerned. But I must admit I will never be the same again with arabs.
 
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S-19`s words :

"It is true. Thanks for the nice documentary. I also used to believe in Palestinian terrorism once upon a time. But now I stand for Israeli cause based on my research.

Palestinian terrorists are no better than Chechenyan terrorists, pakistan's taliban, libyan terrorists and Syrian terrorists."

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/176773-pallywood-debunking-palestinean-lies-12.html

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You can check this thread..You will be surprised with that false flagger..On iran sub-forum he attacks Israel, on other forums he stands for Israel and may be he is the biggest supporter of Israel..He is trying to manipulate all of us..Both Iranians, Turks, Pakistanis

Thank you BP. It is clear to me that S-19 prides himself as an open minded and a logical rational person. So I a confident on my position that when we have a debate on these matters he will see logic. You will remember maybe on a Cyprus thread he was initially pro Greek but we talked to him he went to do some research and he came back supportive of the Turkish position.

That is why I have time for S-19 because we can all be misguided and make mistakes but he listens I think to reason. S-19 is that fair that we will discuss this on another thread?? That is why I am confident he will end up being pro Palestinian lol
 
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