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Israel Again Refuses to Apologize for Attack on Turkish Ship

Then have a brain and send in special operations guys.
Sorry, but you watched too much movies. Difference between SF and regular soldiers is that they can march 90 km with 50 kg load and better firing technoques. They are not supermen. If u send them against 20,000 Hamas militia men they will be just slaughtered.

It is one of the most heavily populated areas in the world and your dropping bombs and shelling the place and rolling in 60+ ton tanks.
Firepower is prime advantage of army over militias. Israel warns every time before dropping a bomb.

Just because Hamas goes into a school doesn't mean you drop on bomb on it to kill them.
Israel did not bomb any school.

Give me the number of civilians hamas killed during the GAZA offensive in Israel ? What was it ? 4 or 5 dead ? And buildingf damageg ? Stuff Israel and Repair right ?
During Hamas terror attaks some 1000 Israeli civilians were killed. Hamas rockets did not kill as much because Israeli shelters and warning systems, but it terrorised tens of thousands of Israeli civilians daily.

How do you propose those people repair buildings you leveled and schools you destroyed for the hunt of terrorists ?
No school was destroyed.

After all you have the place under blockade. I mean for god shakes you guys even hit Johara tower where all the international news guys are generally located and a hospital. What exactly was the IDF plan here bomb anyplace you see terrorists ?
Johara tower is on place.


Large portion were under 18 years of age are you saying that is what makes up large base of the terrorists. You can look through the PDF if you like for the name,sex,occupation of those killed.
Many teenage boys were fighting. Others were running around Hamas militia men as you can see on video I posted here before. Women that were not running around militia men had very little chance to be killed.
 
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Please you killed 1 militant for every 4 civilians the majority being children. Stop blaming it on Hamas. Check the numbers.

If your heart cries out for the collateral damage, then appeal those HAMAS militants not to use the civilians as shields. They should come out and fight if they can, if not stop this crocodile tears
 
If your heart cries out for the collateral damage, then appeal those HAMAS militants not to use the civilians as shields. They should come out and fight if they can, if not stop this crocodile tears

Have i made a hypocritical statement ? I assure you sadness for the people of Palestine is quite geniue. I have also made it very clear in my posts that i don't support Hamas but you simply can not justify killing more civilians then militants and then blame it on Hamas. Restraint must be shown here but since that concept holds no notion to a terror org like the IDF i would not expect supporters to hold those values.
 
Turkish-Israeli Normalization Efforts Seek a Fresh Start
Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 7 Issue: 221
December 13, 2010 12:35 PM Age: 19 days
By: Saban Kardas


Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu (AFP).

Turkey’s recent humanitarian aid to Israel renewed the debate on how to normalize Turkish-Israeli relations, which have been in limbo since the flotilla incident in May 2010. Turkey has argued that Israel should acknowledge full responsibility for its raid on the humanitarian aid flotilla, which resulted in the deaths of nine Turkish civilians. After Israel released the Turkish citizens arrested during the raid and allowed the Turkish ships to return home, Ankara’s demands concentrated on Israel issuing a formal apology and providing compensation for the human and material damage. Turkey refused to dispatch its ambassador to Tel Aviv, until Israel complied with these demands (EDM, June 7).

Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, offered to send two Turkish firefighting CL-215 aircraft to help Israel combat the devastating fire in Northern Israel last week. Having completed their task, the Turkish aircraft returned to Turkey (Rep. of Turkey Ministry of Foreign Affairs, December 6). Israel’s acceptance of the offer raised expectations for opening a new channel of communication between the two countries.

Such expectations were not entirely baseless, since historical precedents offer grounds for optimism. Following the August 1999 earthquake in Turkey’s Marmara region, Greece moved swiftly to extend humanitarian aid, which was reciprocated by the Turkish side when another devastating earthquake took a heavy toll in Greece later that year. The intimate contacts established during that incident opened the humanitarian aspects of Turkish-Greek relations, which had been historically characterized by patterns of enmity. Political tensions rapidly subdued, as Greece removed its veto over Turkey’s integration with European institutions and became an ardent supporter of Ankara within the EU (EDM, October 27).

Turkish commentators have been discussing whether such a scenario might be long overdue. Both Israel and Turkey arguably seek to steer away from the current stalemate, as they slowly realize the political costs of the ongoing impasse. As for Turkey, the deterioration of relations with Israel had negative repercussions for its relations with the US, which has grown increasingly anxious about Turkey’s independent regional policies. Israel also faces the consequences, as it increasingly finds itself alienated in the region, having lost a valuable ally (Hurriyet Daily News, December 6).

Such an affirmation of a determination to mend fences was perhaps expressed by Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who welcomed Turkey’s help against the fire in a telephone conversation he initiated with Erdogan. Having expressed his gratitude, Netanyahu emphasized that his country would not forget this help and would seek to reciprocate accordingly. He also visited the Turkish airplanes and expressed his gratitude to Turkish pilots (Anadolu Ajansi, December 8).

Though Turkey’s help in the recent fire crisis may not in itself bring an end to the stalemate, it nonetheless achieved a minor success, which might help precipitate a broader process to normalize Turkish-Israeli relations. Reportedly, Turkish and Israeli diplomats, Feridun Sinirlioglu and Yosef Ciechanover respectively, met in Geneva in an effort to find a solution. The Turkish and Israeli ambassadors to the US also held talks around the same time. Earlier, such an attempt was made, but ended in failure after Turkish Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, and Israeli Labor Minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, met in Brussels secretly, seeking to find a way to repair bilateral relations (EDM, July 7). Perhaps, that initiative was too early, as it did not enjoy full support within the Israeli government. It was also too “high level,” as the parties apparently were not ready to meet at ministerial level, before working out the technicalities of normalization through contacts between officials. Consequently, considering Israel’s resistance to Turkish demands, so far, there were no realistic alternatives to reset the relationship. Since the flotilla incident has become an issue of national pride, the Turkish government worked to find a way out of this stalemate that would allow it to argue credibly before the public that it did its best to defend Turkey’s national interests.

According to media reports, in the recent talks, both parties discussed the steps that could be taken to mend the rift. Reportedly, while Israel sought a formula to apologize for the attack on the flotilla and offer compensation for the victims and their families, Turkey also would work on returning its ambassador to Tel Aviv. However, the parties’ failure to find a suitable formula under which Israel would offer its apology ended the talks (ANKA, December 7).

Consequently, the positive atmosphere created in the wake of the firefighting assistance did not lead to an overnight change. On the one hand, Erdogan stressed that Turkey would not give up its earlier demands from Israel, most notably an official apology. If Israel was interested in turning a new page with Turkey, it would have to admit responsibility, apologize and pay compensation, Erdogan argued. More importantly, responding to speculation that Israel might not issue an official apology and settle for a “humanitarian” apology, Erdogan maintained that no such distinction exists and Israelis should apologize to the Republic of Turkey. Erdogan also added that Israel needed to end its blockade over Gaza (Anadolu Ajansi, December 7).

On the other hand, divisions inside Netanyahu’s cabinet also surfaced, highlighting the degree of opposition to normalization on Ankara’s terms. In defiance of Netanyahu’s dialogue policy with Turkey, Israeli Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, and other government officials ruled out any apology to Turkey (Anadolu Ajansi, December 8). Israeli websites maintained that following the recent round of meetings, “all that has come out of Ankara so far, however, is a fresh torrent of anti-Israel abuse from Turkish leaders and harsher terms for settling the feud” (DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security, December 7).

Both Erdogan’s remarks and the radical voices inside the Israeli government underscore once again how hard it will be to normalize Turkish-Israeli relations without resolving the flotilla issue. Nonetheless, the parties’ ability and willingness to talk to each other is positive, as it provides a better alternative than the ongoing impasse. Such contacts are likely to continue, at least, in the context of the UN panel investigating the flotilla incident.
 
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