Islamophobic vote in Netherlands elections.

[brain_dead]

when and where has it happened.

See dude Islam was in my land ( Kerala ) even during the time of the prophet that is during 571–632 A.D... much earlier than when Muhammad Bin qasim invaded sindh around last part of 7tyh century AD.

We have a much earlier history of Islam in my land where the first mosque was build in 629 AD in kodungallur, KERALA. A hindu king was infact the first Muslim in south asia who build that mosque and that too even in the life time of Prophet c. 571–632 A.D.

can u please give me the source of this great history ?
which website or book did u read to know this ?

 

[SpArK]

can u please give me the source of this great history ?
which website or book did u read to know this ?

The History of India as told by its own Historians, Elliot and Dowson.

Ancient and Medieval History of India- H.G. Rawlinson.

uhfat al-Mujahidin- Shaykh Zainuddin Makhdum.

South Kanara and Madras Districts Manuals- J. Sturrock.

If you need more please inform me.

 

[brain_dead]

The History of India as told by its own Historians, Elliot and Dowson.

Ancient and Medieval History of India- H.G. Rawlinson.

uhfat al-Mujahidin- Shaykh Zainuddin Makhdum.

South Kanara and Madras Districts Manuals- J. Sturrock.

If you need more please inform me.

ya ya ya... smae historians that say tajmahal was built by shah jahan. bullshit.

 

[SpArK]

ya ya ya... smae historians that say tajmahal was built by shah jahan. bullshit.

The historical documents are written much earlier .. even before you are born.. you will know more about it when you reach highschool after graduating from kindergarden.

 

[SpArK]

Its so sad that even Indians dont know its rich history of Islam.


Some unknown facts.

1- First Muslim in south Asia is a Hindu king from Kerala.

2- Second Oldest mosque in the world is in Kerala, INDIA.

3- Even before Islam had been established in Arabia, Arab traders visited the Malabar region, Kerala.

4- Islam came to south Asia even before the invasions in Pakistan region.

Cheraman Juma Masjid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Unbeliever]

Some of you guys are really too paranoid. It almost seems to me that is a thing with Muslims that you must always victimize yourself and cry wolf for no real reason..
One could think the holocaust was perpetrated against Muslims not Jews reading some of the posts here..
Its incredibly annoying how some members here are always making up their own stories and narratives, without any real knowledge.

He is not a fascist.. He will reduce immigration(if he gets into cabinet), that's true, and among the main beneficiaries will be immigrants already in the country.. since they have problems learning the language and thereby less chances of getting ahead, since they are surrounded by too many non-native speakers..

Also special pleading by Muslims will no longer be tolerated and why should it?

Evidence that speaks to that is a similar party in Denmark ("Conservative-liberal") which is part of the Government there, and 'surprise' has not persecuted Muslims in any way, but has brought down immigration which was ridiculously high, and that is basically it. That is all that they have done with regard to immigrants.


Calm down and don't spread unnecessary fear.. and don't get me started on the "Islamophobia" nonsense for the hundreds time..

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

99% of Muslims have other things on their minds
1. Job or Job security
2. Bills
3. Child education and its expense
4. Sending money back home
5. Savings

What about the one percent of a billion and half muslems, 1.5 million,,,,that seems like enough.

 

[Canaan]

unbeliever
What ever their goal is, a side effect of singling out a certain people is an increase in discrimination against those, followed by dehumanization and persecution. Of all people you Germans should know the best about how dangerous that is. I don't think you already forgot what happened in your country in the 1930s which began in the small and innocence and ended up with millions dead.
I don't really think you are in a place to criticize muslims since you are not at the receiving end. You are a part of the majority which doesn't suffer from discrimination and persecution.
I am sorry but this bastard guy is a fascist and a racist, his politics and values stems not out of rationalism and reason but instead out of ignorance, racism, ethnocentrism and prejudice. But congratulations to the Dutch, they practiced their democratic right, let's see what this maniac will bring them.

 

[Parashuram1]

unbeliever
What ever their goal is, a side effect of singling out a certain people is an increase in discrimination against those, followed by dehumanization and persecution. Of all people you Germans should know the best about how dangerous that is. I don't think you already forgot what happened in your country in the 1930s which began in the small and innocence and ended up with millions dead.
I don't really think you are in a place to criticize muslims since you are not at the receiving end. You are a part of the majority which doesn't suffer from discrimination and persecution.
I am sorry but this bastard guy is a fascist and a racist, his politics and values stems not out of rationalism and reason but instead out of ignorance, racism, ethnocentrism and prejudice. But congratulations to the Dutch, they practiced their democratic right, let's see what this maniac will bring them.

Don't make common Germans remember something for which they are not guilty of. Nice tactic you have of evoking an emotional response! The Holocaust and the medical experimentation on Jews happened in mostly military facilities where the common Germans had no idea that the situation was so intense until the Allies came and showed people what their beloved Führer had given orders for against Jews.

Also in Europe then, Jews didn't hold placards demanding beheadings, world domination plans, condemning the Weimar Republic or any other previous governments. Now you tell me who are you trying to blame the Germans and by extension entire West for? You need to stop considering yourself as a victim of everyone and start understanding the problem that lies at the core of this issue.

Just take a look at the photographs that are posted on this very discussion thread and then ask yourself.

When so many countries are having such social issues it is obvious that there is indeed something that has to be dealt with, isn't it? Blindly considering that "oh I am innocent and always right and that others are mistreating me needlessly" won't just do. If it was one country that has this social problem, then we can consider this as racism of some sort.

All these years muslims have been immigrating to Europe throughout 60s and 70s and still at that time no one had any issues with them. But now where and why do you think that these steps that you claim are "islamophobic" are being taken? Are you telling me that the whole world is being against your community interpreting this as some stupid conspiracy theory hatched by some historian in his prophecy?

Come on, friend. This is 2010, think like this era: practically, rationally, neutrally and reasonably. Because only then you'd make sense.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Don't make common Germans remember something for which they are not guilty of. Nice tactic you have of evoking an emotional response! The Holocaust and the medical experimentation on Jews happened in mostly military facilities where the common Germans had no idea that the situation was so intense until the Allies came and showed people what their beloved Führer had given orders for against Jews.

Also in Europe then, Jews didn't hold placards demanding beheadings, world domination plans, condemning the Weimar Republic or any other previous governments. Now you tell me who are you trying to blame the Germans and by extension entire West for? You need to stop considering yourself as a victim of everyone and start understanding the problem that lies at the core of this issue.

Just take a look at the photographs that are posted on this very discussion thread and then ask yourself.

When so many countries are having such social issues it is obvious that there is indeed something that has to be dealt with, isn't it? Blindly considering that "oh I am innocent and always right and that others are mistreating me needlessly" won't just do. If it was one country that has this social problem, then we can consider this as racism of some sort.

All these years muslims have been immigrating to Europe throughout 60s and 70s and still at that time no one had any issues with them. But now where and why do you think that these steps that you claim are "islamophobic" are being taken? Are you telling me that the whole world is being against your community interpreting this as some stupid conspiracy theory hatched by some historian in his prophecy?

Come on, friend. This is 2010, think like this era: practically, rationally, neutrally and reasonably. Because only then you'd make sense.

Its been my experience the more religious people are the less practically, rationally, neutrally and reasonably they are, also the more religious the more backward and poorer.

 

[Evil Flare]

bible and gita posses no threat to humnaity.
people are becoming terrorsists after reading quran.
so we need to make sure that the book they are reading is actually a word of god or satan.

Really ... You are unaware of history

Christian Crusaders did more damage & killing in this world ..

dont you know their History & their holiness popes do to this world ..

Go read some history ..




why muslims goto extremism ??

Decades of oppression against muslims mainly no 1 case is Palestine .

 

[Unbeliever]

What ever their goal is, a side effect of singling out a certain people is an increase in discrimination against those, followed by dehumanization and persecution. Of all people you Germans should know the best about how dangerous that is. I don't think you already forgot what happened in your country in the 1930s which began in the small and innocence and ended up with millions dead.
I don't really think you are in a place to criticize muslims since you are not at the receiving end. You are a part of the majority which doesn't suffer from discrimination and persecution.
I am sorry but this bastard guy is a fascist and a racist, his politics and values stems not out of rationalism and reason but instead out of ignorance, racism, ethnocentrism and prejudice. But congratulations to the Dutch, they practiced their democratic right, let's see what this maniac will bring them.

He is not 'singling out' anyone in his policy suggestions.
Here's why Muslim immigrants are in the center of criticism though:
Muslims are the most numerous immigrants (in the Netherlands),
on statistical average they are also the least educated, the ones who burden the social systems the most and the ones who insist on special pleading the most times. That are simply statistical facts, many of them have numerous equivalents collected in other European countries.

Some statistics and surveys even show Muslim immigrants to be more prone to violence and antisemitism on average (These might be questionable, I have not looked into that in enough depth.)
But even with those factors none of the measures (although obviously some of the rhetoric) proposed, targets Muslim immigrants specifically (as opposed to other immigrants). The criticism is based on actual problems, not on trying to scapegoat a minority for general problems like the economy.

Comparing their situation to the Jews in 1930 is cheap and nonsensical and bringing it up adds to the point I raised in the previous post, not undermine it(catchwords victimizing themselves).

You know my generation of Germans has about as much to do with the holocaust as yours from Palestine (they were involved as you might know, if you know your history).
Read: Nothing whatsoever.
That doesn't mean we forgot, quit the opposite, we are reminded during our education numerous times and in gruesome detail, but don't try to shame or silence me by bringing it up...

See other than the Jews in 1930, who were a scapegoat, some percentage of Muslim immigrants actually forces open European societies via their behavior to become less open. They are the ones making it necessary to lower immigration rates, because some insist to stay in ghettos and some even want to enforce their own laws (and do in some areas of Britain, for example).

You live in Denmark, don't tell me the government (of which a party similar to Wilders is part) is prosecuting you, is it? I'm not saying their isn't skepticism (and even some antagonism) against Muslims in parts of society, yes their is for a number of reasons, but I'm talking about the government here...

And don't invoke exclusivity of criticism doesn't make sense, won't work..
Do you have to be a Neo-Nazi to criticize them? No? There you go...
Also by that logic, you couldn't criticize Christians or Atheists...


P.S. "Muslim" is not a race, so if you want me to talk you seriously at all, refrain from at least that hyperbole..

P.P.S.
Also thanks to Aamir Zia for proving my point again, by exclusively looking to blame others for the problems of Muslim societies and the violent extremism of a subset.. and even invoking Palestine, textbook 'false grievance'..

 

[Solomon2]

no i m not..
but do you think worldly affairs are more important then holy???
My question is very simple are rules are set only by the west or west can implement such rules relating to the eastern societies...

You need to explain this question to me more fully for me to understand it.

My answer is same for your reply of dutch expression of freedom. We can not allow any one to use bad words against anyone whether it is Jesus, Moses or Muhammad (PBUT).

It's like I didn't say anything if you can still say such a thing.

If someone thought that those ideologies have some problems so he can engaged with the dialogues but dont use harsh words cause it hurts spiritual feelings of so many where spiritual life is more important than materialistic happiness..

If one cannot question whether or not the spiritual life one pursues is an empty shell, then what purpose is there to it?

 

[fallstuff]

Some of you guys are really too paranoid. It almost seems to me that is a thing with Muslims that you must always victimize yourself and cry wolf for no real reason..
One could think the holocaust was perpetrated against Muslims not Jews reading some of the posts here..
Its incredibly annoying how some members here are always making up their own stories and narratives, without any real knowledge.

He is not a fascist.. He will reduce immigration(if he gets into cabinet), that's true, and among the main beneficiaries will be immigrants already in the country.. since they have problems learning the language and thereby less chances of getting ahead, since they are surrounded by too many non-native speakers..

Also special pleading by Muslims will no longer be tolerated and why should it?

Evidence that speaks to that is a similar party in Denmark ("Conservative-liberal") which is part of the Government there, and 'surprise' has not persecuted Muslims in any way, but has brought down immigration which was ridiculously high, and that is basically it. That is all that they have done with regard to immigrants.


Calm down and don't spread unnecessary fear.. and don't get me started on the "Islamophobia" nonsense for the hundreds time..

You probably got off on the wrong side of the bed. Then again this is nothing new from the likes of you.

Lets take a look at protest. It is voicing your opinion. A little boy even knows protesting is not same as being victimized. It is an accepatable form of act widely practiced by nations where representatives are elected by the people. Attempt to silent these voices will bring the ghost of Hitler back with a vengence.

The word "muslim victimization" is very often used by the right wing nut cases on both side of the pond. Not paying attention to those buzz worlds will improve your ability to comprehend certain acts.

It almost seems to me that is a thing with Muslims that you must always victimize yourself and cry wolf for no real reason

When you generalize an entire population like that, it actually reveals your true colors. Either you are not savvy enough to see through the endless loops the media plays, and/or these news stories get your rocks off.

You should not twist about genocide committed by your fellow Europeans onto other Europeans, not excluding people of Jewish faith.Jewish folks have not and will never forgive you for your past atrocities.

Maybe to you history is selective retrieval of past events. However, it is not true for most of the people around the world.

He is not a fascist..

This guy made a career out of bashing Muslims and denigrating Quran, what part of that you don't understand ? This is how Hitler demonize the Jews. The fire at Reichstag rings any bell to you ? Maybe someone in the forum can chew it up a bit more for the likes of you.

You are defending a guy the UK banned from entering for inciting fascism. I wonder how you felt when the Muslim gentlemen from India got banned from UK.

The irony is the likes of you spewing this venom on a site hosted by muslims which you dismissed in your post as always crying wolves and claiming victimization.

 

[fallstuff]

Its been my experience the more religious people are the less practically, rationally, neutrally and reasonably they are, also the more religious the more backward and poorer.

Are you defining the population of American southern states ? You should not do that, it is stereotyping the southern folks.