Islamism ???

[RAMPAGE]

it is not Sharia, in Saudi, Who mislead you on this? Who did?

That's a very interesting statement by you.

Plz tell me. What is Sharia.

I say?

Oh madam

you are so innocent about Saudi ARabia. So innocent.

you have any idea about the process of law making?

in 2014?

How many societies and which societies allow a king to make all the laws with no say of individuals and no freedom for them to speak against and discuss the law before it is implemented.


Do you have any idea about MODERN jurisprudence.

Any?

Which modern school of jurisprudence do you follow?


please let me know



p.s. and do give each other thumbs up to make sure mods would shut this religious discussion down Thank you

Who told you that the king makes Sharia ??

Who told you ?

Who ?

 

[FaujHistorian]

That's a very interesting statement by you.

Plz tell me. What is Sharia.

if you don't know about jurisprudence, please go to a modern school and learn a bit.

Heck

watch some basic youtube videos

Figure out what jurisprudence even means,

you are trying a 5th grade level points in PhD level course.

please take pre-requisites and study first.

Thank you

 

[RAMPAGE]

Islam has nothing to do with politics , Islamists have everything to do with politics

What do you say about Khilafat ???

if you don't know about jurisprudence, please go to a modern school and learn a bit.

Heck

watch some basic youtube videos

Figure out what jurisprudence even means,

you are trying a 5th grade level points in PhD level course.

please take pre-requisites and study first.

Thank you

We aren't talking about jurisprudence.

Islamic jurisprudence (Fiqha) doesn't work that way.

 

[FaujHistorian]

What do you say about Khilafat ???

khilafat (the most recent is ottoman) was nothing but a king's rule wrapped in green Islamic cover.

There were 7 kings during last period of Ottomans. 6 were Europeans.

And pretty much all the kings made the laws in very similar ways.

 

[rockstar08]

it is not Sharia, in Saudi, Who mislead you on this? Who did?


oh my dear madam

it is King's law, monarchy wrapped in green cloth, with kalima written in it.

Saudi kings do not get up every morning and read quran and implement laws.

They implement laws like any king would do 1000 years ago. ,


Please study your subject before posting these arguments. you are apparently not well versed with Islam, jurisprudence, and monarchy.



p.s. let's make sure to give each others thumbs up. That way mods will know we are having respectful conversation

for highlighted part , i want @Yzd Khalifa to answer this
Thank you

 

[M. Sarmad]

What do you say about Khilafat ???

That its not in Quran , hence not a part of ISLAM .

 

[FaujHistorian]

What do you say about Khilafat ???

We aren't talking about jurisprudence.

Islamic jurisprudence doesn't work that way.

So now you will say that Islamic law doesn't work on the road
not in the banks
not in courts

Please do not be so ignorant that you don't even know the basics of jurisprudence.

you mean islamic jurisprudence doesn't work in modern way

So if I may say, is it stuck in time 1400 years ago

I asked you many posts ago and you have not answered.

Which modern school of jurisprudence do you follow?


Any answer?

 

[RAMPAGE]

That its not in Quran , hence its not a part of ISLAM .

Agreed.

As I have said before, Khilafat isn't necessary for an Islamic State, but Sharia is.

So now you will say that Islamic law doesn't work on the road
not in the banks
not in courts

Please do not be so ignorant that you don't even know the basics of jurisprudence.

I asked you many posts ago and you have not answered.

Which modern school of jurisprudence do you follow?


Any answer?

As i said, Fiqh doesn't work the way modern jurisprudence does.

So please educate yourself.

We aren't talking about modern jurisprudence.

for highlighted part , i want @Yzd Khalifa to answer this
Thank you

Let's invite @Arabian Legend too.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Agreed.

As I have said before, Khilafat isn't necessary for an Islamic State, but Sharia is.

As i said, Fiqh doesn't work the way modern jurisprudence does.

So please educate yourself.

We aren't talking about modern jurisprudence.

Let's invite @Arabian Legend too.

now my dear Sir (sorry I called you madam earlier)

you have no idea about Sharia


Sharia is the arabic word for jurisprudence.



Let me help you

sha·ri·a
SHäˈrēə/
noun
1.
Islamic canonical law based on the teachings of the Koran and the traditions of the Prophet (Hadith and Sunna),


ju·ris·pru·dence
ˌjo͝orisˈpro͞odns/
noun
1.
the theory or philosophy of law.

This is from early 17th cent.: from late Latin jurisprudentia, from Latin jus, jur- ‘law’ + prudentia ‘knowledge

 

[M. Sarmad]

Agreed.

As I have said before, Khilafat isn't necessary for an Islamic State, but Sharia is.

Depends on how you define Sharia

 

[FaujHistorian]

Depends on how you define Sharia

unfortunately he doesn't know the basic definition of the term Sharia


Sad to see

 

[RAMPAGE]

now my dear Sir (sorry I called you madam earlier)

you have no idea about Sharia


Sharia is the arabic word for jurisprudence.

As i said, Islamic jurisprudence isn't like modern jurisprudence.

A King doesn't have the authority to make changes in the Shariah.

So please educate yourself.

Fiqh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FaujHistorian]

As i said, Islamic jurisprudence isn't like modern jurisprudence.

A King doesn't have the authority to make changes in the Shariah.

So please educate yourself.

Fiqh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

now you jumping to Fiqh

Which Fiqg

jaafria or the FAB 4

or others


Please stay with the topic.

As i said, Islamic jurisprudence isn't like modern jurisprudence.

A King doesn't have the authority to make changes in the Shariah.

Oh he does.

King can make laws and implement within few mintues (or however long it takes twitter to broadcast the message)

Ok fb or email will do



You know man

I have travelled more through Saudi than even many Saudis.


I have see their small town village inthe heartland and in the moutains.

And I tell you

you know nothing about Saudi Arabia

and your knowledge about Islamic jurisprudence (Sharia) is ZERO or less than that

Sorry to be harsh.

But your arguments are made the same way our plumber who just got back from KSA after fixing Saudi pipes for 10 years.

He speaks like you

But its OK

That poor guy was 4th grade dropout.

I hope you are not

i sure hope so

 

[RAMPAGE]

That its not in Quran , hence not a part of ISLAM .

There isn't no such thing as MY definition of Shariah.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@RAMPAGE
Sharia is the divine law and Fiqh is human interpretation of divine law
Source of Sharia is Quran and Hadith
Unfortunately hadith is controversial
so Sharia derived from different(often highly contradicting) collections of hadith is the problem