Spot on...I have Muslim friends with whom i always share same thought....How can a religion teach to be so violent in the context of Taliban,ISIS and all these terrorist groups....He explained me how things are distrorted and used for their own purpose by religious and fanatics...It is not the issue of Islam rather its usage and the people who are using it is giving bad name...And the most unfortunate part of most of the educated people who has seen the world, even could not understand and they support this ideology....
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Spot on...I have Muslim friends with whom i always share same thought....How can a religion teach to be so violent in the context of Taliban,ISIS and all these terrorist groups....He explained me how things are distrorted and used for their own purpose by religious and fanatics...It is not the issue of Islam rather its usage and the people who are using it is giving bad name...And the most unfortunate part of most of the educated people who has seen the world, even could not understand and they support this ideology....
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Well....then shouldnt we know better where to go? Being in a first world country and not adapting is not the fault of anyone but those people themselves!
Huh?
Well its not about being educated but about how much of the god gift known as the brain you are bothered to use....
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"tricked" is used because this is where this insanity brought us.I've seen so much horror about muslims that I and others can't have a clear picture anymore.In my day to day life i actually forget that my muslim friends are the real deal muslims and see them as the ones i have to buy chicken or beef when they come for barbeque.Muslims are the ones beheading people in Irak and Syria.Yes,it may not be true but get bombarded every day with the same thing and you get confused.
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Can you bring my dead shie brothers from death in iraq and pakistanie? Can you bring the innocents that died at the hand of Isis? So instead of blaming we have to own up to the problem that is present in our community. Also I did not say our whole comminity is suffering from this disease but I could attribute some of this to wahabi ideology, lack of opportunity, ethnic ghettos and deadly combination of all.
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Little bro, Exactly who am I blaming? I just pointed out whom YOU were blaming in your post...Brother please read my post again...
As for your dead brothers in Iraq and Pakistan....I assure you Shii are not the only people being killed equal numbers of Ahmadi and Sunni are also being butchered ....mind you just coz in recent times Sunni are the bad guys thanks to Saudi they dont meet the news requirements for being on the front page!
I never said the problem is absent...Did you even read my post? I said this:
I further went on with this:
Maybe you should ask that Calgary imam to bring back your Shii brothers in Iraq...
none of them knows what a Khalifat is Damn! Whose teaching them this crap? The only one who was clear of what he understands is the Ahmadi Muslim...
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I think it is very high time Muslim intellectual has to come to front and oppose what is happening now...Because radicalism is as much thhreat to Islam itself than to others too...The perception is getting so bad that the common impression is that who are radicals they are pious Muslim people and those who are good and sane people they are levelled as "Moderate Musllim"...This is unfortunate scenario....Because by levelling those sane and good Muslim people are moderate Muslims, you are leveling them as an less Muslim than the religious bigots....And in reality it should have happened other way around where "Moderate Muslim" should be called as Muslim only the other groups as Radicals...
This is just an analogy of an impression from my side....You know there is a saying that if you say something1000 times. people start believing it...The rise of Alqueda,Tabliban,LeT and ISIS has made so much of news that Non Islam people think they are Islam and other people are not...And trust me....i can say in India, i have met several Muslim people( Not my own Muslim friends)....they are sympathizing with ISIS and support these radials too...It may be a surprising development but it is impacting psyce of people...who does not get exposed to correct information....
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There is even a Bangladeshi on pdf who openly supports them and he claims many of their foreign fighters are Bangladeshis as well.
And the Sunni guy too. Not the two clowns but the one dressed smartly. He was a bit confused but he definitely believed Khilafat can't be established through violent means.
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Mina Topia was the non Hijabi girl, in pink bro. She said no such thing. Yasmin Khatun was saying all that.
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There is no point teaching me this - i am agreeing that ISIL and TTP are far removed from Islam - tell that to their supporters who exist everywhere. Many educated Muslims including doctors and teachers have joined ISIL. Education and class does not protect one from brain-washing.
These people say the CIA created Bin Laden, Baghdadi, Fazlullah but in the same communities they have their pictures on their walls and praise them in mosque. Some guys in this video are still defending ISIS, blaming media propaganda rather than accepting the stark reality that some of the most pious Muslims have lost there way and become monsters.
You need to accept that they are OUR problem before blaming everyone else.
This really hits the mark; our parents - generally the best barometers of good and bad - are unable to reign in the young minds. These are children of our society and we have to take responsibility to tackle those trying to mislead them.
There is no point teaching me this - i am agreeing that ISIL and TTP are far removed from Islam - tell that to their supporters who exist everywhere. Many educated Muslims including doctors and teachers have joined ISIL. Education and class does not protect one from brain-washing.
These people say the CIA created Bin Laden, Baghdadi, Fazlullah but in the same communities they have their pictures on their walls and praise them in mosque. Some guys in this video are still defending ISIS, blaming media propaganda rather than accepting the stark reality that some of the most pious Muslims have lost there way and become monsters.
You need to accept that they are OUR problem before blaming everyone else.
This really hits the mark; our parents - generally the best barometers of good and bad - are unable to reign in the young minds. These are children of our society and we have to take responsibility to tackle those trying to mislead them.
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Sadly I'm not surprised- the writing has been on the wall for a long time as far as British born Muslims being radicalised goes. The $hit is really going to hit the fan when these scum come back home...... they've been busy beheading and slaughtering innocents over there what lessons will they apply when they return?
I truly think the brutal murder of Lee Rigby is just the start of a new wave of barbarism, the only thing holding back more such atrocities on UK streets right now is a very competent and well-funded UK security force backed by America but they can't be effective 100% of the time.
I truly think the brutal murder of Lee Rigby is just the start of a new wave of barbarism, the only thing holding back more such atrocities on UK streets right now is a very competent and well-funded UK security force backed by America but they can't be effective 100% of the time.
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Again you are circling the same trap. Yes it is a twisted vision of Islam but whose vision is it? You think some American Zionist is working out how to sell 'evil' to muslims? And even if they are, who is more culpable, the seller or the buyer?
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We can do that ourselves. We don't need US help for that. There is a great deal of history, social dynamics and other complex issues that the UK is familiar with, that the US is not.
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Well its about how much of the brain you actually use to think....When you have no knowledge like in the olden days if one told you earth was flat everyone nodded if one said no its round you hang the person....
Well there is no lie in CIA creating all those....In fact many of the American leadership admits to helping build this crap to counter USSR...back then America didnt think for long term all they did was think of the immediate solution!
As for media propaganda yes I agree there is injustice in the media when it comes to portraying Islam! Again no lie there....
However when you claim pious Muslims have become monsters it shows your limited knowledge to Islam....If they were pious they wouldnt become monsters...No one sheds their piousness in a day! Hence they were rotten to begin with ...If you can preach killing people you are not pious at all!
Well I am not blaming others or anyone else but their brought up, their lack of thinking...basically I am blaming they themselves! After you reach the age of baligh your mom is not accountable for your sins coz the brain has developed enough to distinguish right from wrong...as in the Western world the teenager says its my life and moves out of the house....Islam tells the same ...its their life they will be answerable!
I am not going to be apologetic about some bastards who chose the wrong way based on lack of understanding or even basic thinking (logical thinking was flushed down within seconds because of the failure to activate the thinking region in the brain)
These are the result of lack of discipline of children....and also overprotection from god knows what fear of the 1860s when racism was on the high now it isnt and also lack of integration into the locals
I would say both! Why not address the perpetrator and then come to the victim!
Here is a story for you to read:
= "What Color Was The Dog?" =
Once there was a community of Muslims who were small in number yet large in iman and strong in action. So much so that, the kufaar [non-believers] could not defeat them in battle even though they had the Muslims out numbered.
One day a young man from the kufaar pretended to enter into Islam and he went to the big sheik [learned man] in one part of the city and listened to his teaching of the Quran. The subject happened to be on the chapter of the Quran called Al Kahaf (the Cave, #18].
When the sheik completed his talk he offered a chance for the brothers present to ask some questions. When it came the turn of the kafar, he asked the sheik the question:
“Sir, in the story of the ‘sleepers’ in the cave, there is mention of a dog. And I was wondering if I might inquire as to what color the dog might have been? I hope you don’t mind my asking, especially if it is something that maybe you don’t know the answer to.”
Immediately the sheik says to the young man, “That’s no problem at all, everyone should know that the dog was YELLOW.”
The young man said, “Are you sure? I mean, could it have been another color?”
“No.” replied the old sheik, “It was definitely YELLOW.” Once again the young man thanked him and when on his way.
The next night the young kafr man went to the other side of town and sat in another gathering of knowledge and they too were discussing different things about verses in the Quran.
So when it came time for the teacher to give each person attending, the opportunity to ask a question, the kafr man raised his hand and then asked the question, “In the chapter about the “Cave”, the sleepers are mentioned in different numbers but each time there is a reference to their dog as being counted along with them. Now I was wondering whether or not anyone of knowledge has ever made any reference to what the color the dog might have been?”
The sheik immediately said, “Yes! The dog in this story in the Quran was BLACK.”
The young kafar man was pleased and continued, “Sir, are you quite certain that the color of the dog mentioned in the story was BLACK?”
“Young man,” he quickly replied, “I’ll stake my reputation on that as a fact.”
“Thank you, sir.” Said the young man.
The next night the kafar posing as a Muslim went back to the first sheik and then when it came time for the questions and answers he raised his hand and asked, “Sheik, may Allah reward you for all your effort and knowledge and for sharing it with us. Could you maybe remind me about the answer to the question the other night about the color of the dog in the cave in Surah Al-Kahaf?” (Holy Quran: Chapter 18).
The sheik said, “There is no doubt whatsoever amongst the great scholars of Islam on this question. The dog was YELLOW. And anyone who says other than this has no knowledge.”
With that the young man spoke up again and said, “Sir, what would you say if someone else said that he would stake his reputation of being a scholar in Islam on the fact that the dog is not yellow, but rather that the dog is most certainly BLACK?”
The sheik quickly replied, “Then his reputation is not that of a scholar but one of a fool.”
Now the next time the kafr man went to the sheik that was upholding the idea of the dog being BLACK, he told the sheik that the sheik on the other side of town was calling him names and saying that he had no knowledge of Islam and that for sure that the dog was YELLOW.
The old sheik became angry and shouted, “You tell him, that I said he is the one without knowledge. I’m the one who graduated from the greatest of schools of Islam, while he is but a fool.”
The plan was working. Before long the community was divided into two groups. Each group was claiming that their sheik was the one with the correct answer. Fighting broke out in the streets and the Muslims began attacking each other all over the city. Everyone became involved to the extent that there was not a single person who was excluded from this terrible situation. Screaming, shouting, hitting and fighting were everywhere.
And then it happened. The kafr went back out to his people and told them, “Let us go to fight them now. You will now find them most easy to defeat.”
And that is exactly what they did.
Which Groups
If the perpetrator is not addressed we are not getting anywhere by not answering who the hell are these PIOUS THAN THOU under the mask of Muslims?
I would like an end to this from the root and you are trying to figure out temporary solutions!
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