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One obviously sees a policy shift in Islamabad; from fairy-god-mother America to fairy-god-mother China. One also sees the new policy of ‘state fights its own wars’. Will it solve the problem of terrorism? I don’t think so, because source of terrorism was not which the world and pro-Indian intellectuals wanted us to see as ‘the source’. In this war you have to ‘go after the source’ i.e. the ‘god-mother of terrorism’. Unfortunately the supply of fresh blood to terror outfits is now coming from universities – latest challenge is Ansar-ul-Shariah, it may not be wide spread, yet needs to be tackled carefully. According to media reports it is a mutation arising from the mix of Al-Qaida dissidents and Daesh. The issue is, ‘how to respond to this challenge?’

The narrative required to pacify groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah cannot be imported from USA or its Western allies like the UK. The language of secular social scientists remains counter-productive; it will create a bigger mess than one can clean. It is as if one intends to appease a bull by showing it a red flag. Unfortunately friends in Islamabad and Pindi are not cautious enough on this issue. Let us look at Ansar-ul-Shariah closely.

Ansar-ul-Shariah, as the name tells is a group comprised of the helpers or supporters of Shariah, so far so good, but it is the method through which they intend to support Shariah. They want to remove all opposition to their interpretation of Shariah by killing them. According to media reports this group came into existence in 2015. But this group existed in the past, it was considered to be an offshoot of Al-Qaida dissidents. Upon declaration of al-Baghdadi as the caliph in Iraq, this group started killing as if it was facilitating the advent of caliphate in Pakistan. They justified their violent acts by their own interpretation of Islam; very typical of militant takfeeri groups. Counter narrative based on Islam could be the most effective to neutralize possible recruitment areas of groups such as Ansar-ul-Shariah. The catchment areas of Ansar-ul-Shariah comprises of Salafis studying in universities or those youth who intend to study Islam on their own in order to do something that could help Muslims come out form a situation of disgrace and misery. With innumerable instances of movements in Universities, it becomes difficult to monitor activities of hundreds of thousands of students in the country on daily basis; this in turn facilitates such groups to function undetected for a long period of time. What convinces these groups is a distorted and twisted explanation of some of the verses of Quran, Ahadees of the Holy Messenger SAW, and some historic incidents. The distortion is a narrow alley with definite topography and clear contours; therefore it can be addressed very specifically through literature, and so it can be controlled. What is necessary however is that this should be based on the true understanding of Islam and should be circulated massively that all should know, like text in a curriculum with teachers imparting the knowledge. Therefore there are two things required; 1) true understanding of the specific verses, ahadees and incidents in the shape of written text; and 2) a means to spread it massively in academic institutions, especially, Universities so that recruiting grounds of such groups could be dried.

The thinking behind groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah lies in some specific distortions, let me list the most prominent ones: a) individuals can implement Islamic orders and state is not a pre-requisite for implementation; b) there is no possibility of difference of opinion in Shariah; c) Jihad in particular can take place without the existence of State; d) Caliphate can be enforced on Muslims, without the will of the people; e) any Muslim who decides public affairs from anything other than Quran and Sunnah has become a non-Muslim; f) whoever becomes a non-Muslim can be killed by any Muslim anywhere in the world; and g) blood of any non-Muslim not being protected by Islamic State can be spilled by any Muslim anywhere in the world. These seven issues are the main areas of distortions, if these could be corrected, and detailed verdict about these issues could be made part of a supplement course in all classes from 8th onwards, it would relieve a lot of burden from the law enforcement agencies. Teachers of Islamic Studies in institutions could teach the supplement course. There are clear judgments of all Islamic schools of thought in these issues and if the state organs like Ministry of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, Higher Education Commission and Ministry of Interior could honestly perform the lead roles to disseminate the right judgment of Quran and Sunnah it will dry the recruitment grounds of groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah. Islamic classical literature has it all, one only has to go for cut and paste. The cyberspace should carry the answers to these questions and this would make life easier. Somehow even the little ‘will’ required to undergo this exercise is found lacking in the government machinery. What an apparatus to fight a war with!!!

Why governments, Ulema, and law enforcement agencies are unable to come up with such narrative and why it has not become part of the text or why it has not been addressed through seminars, and internet blogs or become part of active discussions in chat-rooms is beyond comprehension. Honestly, it seems that there is some force that intends to keep such groups alive. What else could keep the state organs from undergoing such an exercise? Either they chicken out from this action or they knowingly do not intend to do this, so as to keep the law enforcement agencies on their toes and keep the national security situation fragile. In the face of 70,000 casualties and around a $100 billion worth of loss to national exchequer no one seems still bothered to correct the distortion in understanding in a sect of Islam.

Active members of groups such as Ansar ul Shariah cannot be neutralized by counter narrative, however it is always possible to generate immunity in others from getting infected by the virus of terror outfits spread through distorted view of Islam.
 
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Cuz you have mass followers of ahlul bida and rising amount of shirk taking new, innovative forms. But the ones who actually call people away from bida, shirk etc are labeled as Wahabi, Salafi etc. When they themselves dont think of themselves as Whabi or Salafi. Wahab was just a person who had a role in reclaiming control from Ottomons. The rest of the Islamic sciences have been here for more than a thousand years. And any person either called Wahab or something else is not the founder of Islamic thought, theology and sciences. Rather Islamic Science, education, way to study Islam and how understand is centuries old dating back rasool salallahu alai wasalam and his sahaba.

When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?

When you have scholars openly abusing and displaying general characteristics associated with a drunk womanizer. How can we expect things to be better?

12 rabbiul awal has trasformed into this grand rave fest akin to Lalapalooza. Where you have ya rasool Allah ashiqs dancing and singing complete with electric boom boxes.

But if I was to advice to look towards proper scholars educated in University of Medinah I'd be labeled as having complex of Arabs. But the truth is that they have been studied the disciplines within Islamic sciences for ages not just recently.

We find all sorts of wild creations in Indo-Pak muslims but when u try to tell them that this not from what Mohammad alai dalam and his sahaba and their tabeen and their tabi tabeen taught they start cussing like a sailor. It's one thing to have been following a wrong path but it's so much more moronic to become stubborn upon misguidance.

A person has to study a lot before thay can call themselves Imam, sheikh or Alim etc etc. Whereas, in Indo-Pak any 5 fail Tom, Dick or Harry seems to call themselves molana.
One obviously sees a policy shift in Islamabad; from fairy-god-mother America to fairy-god-mother China. One also sees the new policy of ‘state fights its own wars’. Will it solve the problem of terrorism? I don’t think so, because source of terrorism was not which the world and pro-Indian intellectuals wanted us to see as ‘the source’. In this war you have to ‘go after the source’ i.e. the ‘god-mother of terrorism’. Unfortunately the supply of fresh blood to terror outfits is now coming from universities – latest challenge is Ansar-ul-Shariah, it may not be wide spread, yet needs to be tackled carefully. According to media reports it is a mutation arising from the mix of Al-Qaida dissidents and Daesh. The issue is, ‘how to respond to this challenge?’

The narrative required to pacify groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah cannot be imported from USA or its Western allies like the UK. The language of secular social scientists remains counter-productive; it will create a bigger mess than one can clean. It is as if one intends to appease a bull by showing it a red flag. Unfortunately friends in Islamabad and Pindi are not cautious enough on this issue. Let us look at Ansar-ul-Shariah closely.

Ansar-ul-Shariah, as the name tells is a group comprised of the helpers or supporters of Shariah, so far so good, but it is the method through which they intend to support Shariah. They want to remove all opposition to their interpretation of Shariah by killing them. According to media reports this group came into existence in 2015. But this group existed in the past, it was considered to be an offshoot of Al-Qaida dissidents. Upon declaration of al-Baghdadi as the caliph in Iraq, this group started killing as if it was facilitating the advent of caliphate in Pakistan. They justified their violent acts by their own interpretation of Islam; very typical of militant takfeeri groups. Counter narrative based on Islam could be the most effective to neutralize possible recruitment areas of groups such as Ansar-ul-Shariah. The catchment areas of Ansar-ul-Shariah comprises of Salafis studying in universities or those youth who intend to study Islam on their own in order to do something that could help Muslims come out form a situation of disgrace and misery. With innumerable instances of movements in Universities, it becomes difficult to monitor activities of hundreds of thousands of students in the country on daily basis; this in turn facilitates such groups to function undetected for a long period of time. What convinces these groups is a distorted and twisted explanation of some of the verses of Quran, Ahadees of the Holy Messenger SAW, and some historic incidents. The distortion is a narrow alley with definite topography and clear contours; therefore it can be addressed very specifically through literature, and so it can be controlled. What is necessary however is that this should be based on the true understanding of Islam and should be circulated massively that all should know, like text in a curriculum with teachers imparting the knowledge. Therefore there are two things required; 1) true understanding of the specific verses, ahadees and incidents in the shape of written text; and 2) a means to spread it massively in academic institutions, especially, Universities so that recruiting grounds of such groups could be dried.

The thinking behind groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah lies in some specific distortions, let me list the most prominent ones: a) individuals can implement Islamic orders and state is not a pre-requisite for implementation; b) there is no possibility of difference of opinion in Shariah; c) Jihad in particular can take place without the existence of State; d) Caliphate can be enforced on Muslims, without the will of the people; e) any Muslim who decides public affairs from anything other than Quran and Sunnah has become a non-Muslim; f) whoever becomes a non-Muslim can be killed by any Muslim anywhere in the world; and g) blood of any non-Muslim not being protected by Islamic State can be spilled by any Muslim anywhere in the world. These seven issues are the main areas of distortions, if these could be corrected, and detailed verdict about these issues could be made part of a supplement course in all classes from 8th onwards, it would relieve a lot of burden from the law enforcement agencies. Teachers of Islamic Studies in institutions could teach the supplement course. There are clear judgments of all Islamic schools of thought in these issues and if the state organs like Ministry of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, Higher Education Commission and Ministry of Interior could honestly perform the lead roles to disseminate the right judgment of Quran and Sunnah it will dry the recruitment grounds of groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah. Islamic classical literature has it all, one only has to go for cut and paste. The cyberspace should carry the answers to these questions and this would make life easier. Somehow even the little ‘will’ required to undergo this exercise is found lacking in the government machinery. What an apparatus to fight a war with!!!

Why governments, Ulema, and law enforcement agencies are unable to come up with such narrative and why it has not become part of the text or why it has not been addressed through seminars, and internet blogs or become part of active discussions in chat-rooms is beyond comprehension. Honestly, it seems that there is some force that intends to keep such groups alive. What else could keep the state organs from undergoing such an exercise? Either they chicken out from this action or they knowingly do not intend to do this, so as to keep the law enforcement agencies on their toes and keep the national security situation fragile. In the face of 70,000 casualties and around a $100 billion worth of loss to national exchequer no one seems still bothered to correct the distortion in understanding in a sect of Islam.

Active members of groups such as Ansar ul Shariah cannot be neutralized by counter narrative, however it is always possible to generate immunity in others from getting infected by the virus of terror outfits spread through distorted view of Islam.

Few examples of what is wrong with the way Islam is taught, followed, transmitted, preserved in Indo-Pak muslims
After watching these examples. Ask yourself is this really what represent the teachings of Rasool Allah salallah hu alai wasalam?? If he were present among us today would he condone this?? Did his shabahs teach this?? Did renowned scholars like Imam Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam albani, Imam shafiie etc etc did they teach this??
Nay rather its mostly misguided people adding to the deen of Allah and his rasool as they wish and subtracting as they wish. Following what they wish and leaving what they wish. Are they following Muhammad alai salam(as they claim to be his ashiq) or are they following their shahwaat and desires???
 
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Cuz you have mass followers of ahlul bida and rising amount of shirk taking new, innovative forms. But the ones who actually call people away from bida, shirk etc are labeled as Wahabi, Salafi etc. When they themselves dont think of themselves as Whabi or Salafi. Wahab was just a person who had a role in reclaiming control from Ottomons. The rest of the Islamic sciences have been here for more than a thousand years. And any person either called Wahab or something else is not the founder of Islamic thought, theology and sciences. Rather Islamic Science, education, way to study Islam and how understand is centuries old dating back rasool salallahu alai wasalam and his sahaba.

When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?

When you have scholars openly abusing and displaying general characteristics associated with a drunk womanizer. How can we expect things to be better?

12 rabbiul awal has trasformed into this grand rave fest akin to Lalapalooza. Where you have ya rasool Allah ashiqs dancing and singing complete with electric boom boxes.

But if I was to advice to look towards proper scholars educated in University of Medinah I'd be labeled as having complex of Arabs. But the truth is that they have been studied the disciplines within Islamic sciences for ages not just recently.

We find all sorts of wild creations in Indo-Pak muslims but when u try to tell them that this not from what Mohammad alai dalam and his sahaba and their tabeen and their tabi tabeen taught they start cussing like a sailor. It's one thing to have been following a wrong path but it's so much more moronic to become stubborn upon misguidance.

A person has to study a lot before thay can call themselves Imam, sheikh or Alim etc etc. Whereas, in Indo-Pak any 5 fail Tom, Dick or Harry seems to call themselves molana.


Few examples of what is wrong with the way Islam is taught, followed, transmitted, preserved in Indo-Pak muslims
After watching these examples. Ask yourself is this really what represent the teachings of Rasool Allah salallah hu alai wasalam?? If he were present among us today would he condone this?? Did his shabahs teach this?? Did renowned scholars like Imam Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam albani, Imam shafiie etc etc did they teach this??
Nay rather its mostly misguided people adding to the deen of Allah and his rasool as they wish and subtracting as they wish. Following what they wish and leaving what they wish. Are they following Muhammad alai salam(as they claim to be his ashiq) or are they following their shahwaat and desires???

What a joke you are selecting videos that do not even show there teachings and making fun of them without actaully learning about.

"When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?"

Lol you flop none of these sufi groups teach this especially the Naqshbandis and chistis and pir and faqir are nothing to do with sufism you salafi just go bomb muslims cause war and more oppression to women make them leave the religion you lot are jokes the same sect taht helped britain and france to split the muslim lands may gods curse be upon you.

One more thing wahabism gets its teaching from hanbali school of thought and both are recent compared to maliki,shafi and hanbali school of thought.
 
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Cuz you have mass followers of ahlul bida and rising amount of shirk taking new, innovative forms. But the ones who actually call people away from bida, shirk etc are labeled as Wahabi, Salafi etc. When they themselves dont think of themselves as Whabi or Salafi. Wahab was just a person who had a role in reclaiming control from Ottomons. The rest of the Islamic sciences have been here for more than a thousand years. And any person either called Wahab or something else is not the founder of Islamic thought, theology and sciences. Rather Islamic Science, education, way to study Islam and how understand is centuries old dating back rasool salallahu alai wasalam and his sahaba.

When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?

When you have scholars openly abusing and displaying general characteristics associated with a drunk womanizer. How can we expect things to be better?

12 rabbiul awal has trasformed into this grand rave fest akin to Lalapalooza. Where you have ya rasool Allah ashiqs dancing and singing complete with electric boom boxes.

But if I was to advice to look towards proper scholars educated in University of Medinah I'd be labeled as having complex of Arabs. But the truth is that they have been studied the disciplines within Islamic sciences for ages not just recently.

We find all sorts of wild creations in Indo-Pak muslims but when u try to tell them that this not from what Mohammad alai dalam and his sahaba and their tabeen and their tabi tabeen taught they start cussing like a sailor. It's one thing to have been following a wrong path but it's so much more moronic to become stubborn upon misguidance.

A person has to study a lot before thay can call themselves Imam, sheikh or Alim etc etc. Whereas, in Indo-Pak any 5 fail Tom, Dick or Harry seems to call themselves molana.


Few examples of what is wrong with the way Islam is taught, followed, transmitted, preserved in Indo-Pak muslims
After watching these examples. Ask yourself is this really what represent the teachings of Rasool Allah salallah hu alai wasalam?? If he were present among us today would he condone this?? Did his shabahs teach this?? Did renowned scholars like Imam Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam albani, Imam shafiie etc etc did they teach this??
Nay rather its mostly misguided people adding to the deen of Allah and his rasool as they wish and subtracting as they wish. Following what they wish and leaving what they wish. Are they following Muhammad alai salam(as they claim to be his ashiq) or are they following their shahwaat and desires???

You got issues

One obviously sees a policy shift in Islamabad; from fairy-god-mother America to fairy-god-mother China. One also sees the new policy of ‘state fights its own wars’. Will it solve the problem of terrorism? I don’t think so, because source of terrorism was not which the world and pro-Indian intellectuals wanted us to see as ‘the source’. In this war you have to ‘go after the source’ i.e. the ‘god-mother of terrorism’. Unfortunately the supply of fresh blood to terror outfits is now coming from universities – latest challenge is Ansar-ul-Shariah, it may not be wide spread, yet needs to be tackled carefully. According to media reports it is a mutation arising from the mix of Al-Qaida dissidents and Daesh. The issue is, ‘how to respond to this challenge?’

The narrative required to pacify groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah cannot be imported from USA or its Western allies like the UK. The language of secular social scientists remains counter-productive; it will create a bigger mess than one can clean. It is as if one intends to appease a bull by showing it a red flag. Unfortunately friends in Islamabad and Pindi are not cautious enough on this issue. Let us look at Ansar-ul-Shariah closely.

Ansar-ul-Shariah, as the name tells is a group comprised of the helpers or supporters of Shariah, so far so good, but it is the method through which they intend to support Shariah. They want to remove all opposition to their interpretation of Shariah by killing them. According to media reports this group came into existence in 2015. But this group existed in the past, it was considered to be an offshoot of Al-Qaida dissidents. Upon declaration of al-Baghdadi as the caliph in Iraq, this group started killing as if it was facilitating the advent of caliphate in Pakistan. They justified their violent acts by their own interpretation of Islam; very typical of militant takfeeri groups. Counter narrative based on Islam could be the most effective to neutralize possible recruitment areas of groups such as Ansar-ul-Shariah. The catchment areas of Ansar-ul-Shariah comprises of Salafis studying in universities or those youth who intend to study Islam on their own in order to do something that could help Muslims come out form a situation of disgrace and misery. With innumerable instances of movements in Universities, it becomes difficult to monitor activities of hundreds of thousands of students in the country on daily basis; this in turn facilitates such groups to function undetected for a long period of time. What convinces these groups is a distorted and twisted explanation of some of the verses of Quran, Ahadees of the Holy Messenger SAW, and some historic incidents. The distortion is a narrow alley with definite topography and clear contours; therefore it can be addressed very specifically through literature, and so it can be controlled. What is necessary however is that this should be based on the true understanding of Islam and should be circulated massively that all should know, like text in a curriculum with teachers imparting the knowledge. Therefore there are two things required; 1) true understanding of the specific verses, ahadees and incidents in the shape of written text; and 2) a means to spread it massively in academic institutions, especially, Universities so that recruiting grounds of such groups could be dried.

The thinking behind groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah lies in some specific distortions, let me list the most prominent ones: a) individuals can implement Islamic orders and state is not a pre-requisite for implementation; b) there is no possibility of difference of opinion in Shariah; c) Jihad in particular can take place without the existence of State; d) Caliphate can be enforced on Muslims, without the will of the people; e) any Muslim who decides public affairs from anything other than Quran and Sunnah has become a non-Muslim; f) whoever becomes a non-Muslim can be killed by any Muslim anywhere in the world; and g) blood of any non-Muslim not being protected by Islamic State can be spilled by any Muslim anywhere in the world. These seven issues are the main areas of distortions, if these could be corrected, and detailed verdict about these issues could be made part of a supplement course in all classes from 8th onwards, it would relieve a lot of burden from the law enforcement agencies. Teachers of Islamic Studies in institutions could teach the supplement course. There are clear judgments of all Islamic schools of thought in these issues and if the state organs like Ministry of Religious Affairs, Ministry of Education, Higher Education Commission and Ministry of Interior could honestly perform the lead roles to disseminate the right judgment of Quran and Sunnah it will dry the recruitment grounds of groups like Ansar-ul-Shariah. Islamic classical literature has it all, one only has to go for cut and paste. The cyberspace should carry the answers to these questions and this would make life easier. Somehow even the little ‘will’ required to undergo this exercise is found lacking in the government machinery. What an apparatus to fight a war with!!!

Why governments, Ulema, and law enforcement agencies are unable to come up with such narrative and why it has not become part of the text or why it has not been addressed through seminars, and internet blogs or become part of active discussions in chat-rooms is beyond comprehension. Honestly, it seems that there is some force that intends to keep such groups alive. What else could keep the state organs from undergoing such an exercise? Either they chicken out from this action or they knowingly do not intend to do this, so as to keep the law enforcement agencies on their toes and keep the national security situation fragile. In the face of 70,000 casualties and around a $100 billion worth of loss to national exchequer no one seems still bothered to correct the distortion in understanding in a sect of Islam.

Active members of groups such as Ansar ul Shariah cannot be neutralized by counter narrative, however it is always possible to generate immunity in others from getting infected by the virus of terror outfits spread through distorted view of Islam.

Islam does not need any narrative.

Pakistan is the reality of political Islam. It only needs to have a working system of Justice and equal opportunity.

Rest is conjecture and power struggle.
 
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Cuz you have mass followers of ahlul bida and rising amount of shirk taking new, innovative forms. But the ones who actually call people away from bida, shirk etc are labeled as Wahabi, Salafi etc. When they themselves dont think of themselves as Whabi or Salafi. Wahab was just a person who had a role in reclaiming control from Ottomons. The rest of the Islamic sciences have been here for more than a thousand years. And any person either called Wahab or something else is not the founder of Islamic thought, theology and sciences. Rather Islamic Science, education, way to study Islam and how understand is centuries old dating back rasool salallahu alai wasalam and his sahaba.

When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?

When you have scholars openly abusing and displaying general characteristics associated with a drunk womanizer. How can we expect things to be better?

12 rabbiul awal has trasformed into this grand rave fest akin to Lalapalooza. Where you have ya rasool Allah ashiqs dancing and singing complete with electric boom boxes.

But if I was to advice to look towards proper scholars educated in University of Medinah I'd be labeled as having complex of Arabs. But the truth is that they have been studied the disciplines within Islamic sciences for ages not just recently.

We find all sorts of wild creations in Indo-Pak muslims but when u try to tell them that this not from what Mohammad alai dalam and his sahaba and their tabeen and their tabi tabeen taught they start cussing like a sailor. It's one thing to have been following a wrong path but it's so much more moronic to become stubborn upon misguidance.

A person has to study a lot before thay can call themselves Imam, sheikh or Alim etc etc. Whereas, in Indo-Pak any 5 fail Tom, Dick or Harry seems to call themselves molana.


Few examples of what is wrong with the way Islam is taught, followed, transmitted, preserved in Indo-Pak muslims
After watching these examples. Ask yourself is this really what represent the teachings of Rasool Allah salallah hu alai wasalam?? If he were present among us today would he condone this?? Did his shabahs teach this?? Did renowned scholars like Imam Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam albani, Imam shafiie etc etc did they teach this??
Nay rather its mostly misguided people adding to the deen of Allah and his rasool as they wish and subtracting as they wish. Following what they wish and leaving what they wish. Are they following Muhammad alai salam(as they claim to be his ashiq) or are they following their shahwaat and desires???

@The Eagle

Do you allow "some animals" to do whatever they want and spread sectarian hatred like this ?
 
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Cuz you have mass followers of ahlul bida and rising amount of shirk taking new, innovative forms. But the ones who actually call people away from bida, shirk etc are labeled as Wahabi, Salafi etc. When they themselves dont think of themselves as Whabi or Salafi. Wahab was just a person who had a role in reclaiming control from Ottomons. The rest of the Islamic sciences have been here for more than a thousand years. And any person either called Wahab or something else is not the founder of Islamic thought, theology and sciences. Rather Islamic Science, education, way to study Islam and how understand is centuries old dating back rasool salallahu alai wasalam and his sahaba.

When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?

When you have scholars openly abusing and displaying general characteristics associated with a drunk womanizer. How can we expect things to be better?

12 rabbiul awal has trasformed into this grand rave fest akin to Lalapalooza. Where you have ya rasool Allah ashiqs dancing and singing complete with electric boom boxes.

But if I was to advice to look towards proper scholars educated in University of Medinah I'd be labeled as having complex of Arabs. But the truth is that they have been studied the disciplines within Islamic sciences for ages not just recently.

We find all sorts of wild creations in Indo-Pak muslims but when u try to tell them that this not from what Mohammad alai dalam and his sahaba and their tabeen and their tabi tabeen taught they start cussing like a sailor. It's one thing to have been following a wrong path but it's so much more moronic to become stubborn upon misguidance.

A person has to study a lot before thay can call themselves Imam, sheikh or Alim etc etc. Whereas, in Indo-Pak any 5 fail Tom, Dick or Harry seems to call themselves molana.


Few examples of what is wrong with the way Islam is taught, followed, transmitted, preserved in Indo-Pak muslims
After watching these examples. Ask yourself is this really what represent the teachings of Rasool Allah salallah hu alai wasalam?? If he were present among us today would he condone this?? Did his shabahs teach this?? Did renowned scholars like Imam Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam albani, Imam shafiie etc etc did they teach this??
Nay rather its mostly misguided people adding to the deen of Allah and his rasool as they wish and subtracting as they wish. Following what they wish and leaving what they wish. Are they following Muhammad alai salam(as they claim to be his ashiq) or are they following their shahwaat and desires???
Great post. I myself am a relative of a saint whose shrine has been visited from all over paksitan for about two centuries now. Tho my relatives visit it and give charhawas for mannats. The last thing i would want to do is ever visit his shrine for any kind of duas and mannats but yeah going for fatiha is fine. I have my Allah and qibla and dua where i can pray to him and ask for everything i need than to visit graves and ask for help.
 
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@The Eagle

Do you allow "some animals" to do whatever they want and spread sectarian hatred like this ?

The people you are calling wahabbis themselves dont like to be called wahabis. When push comes to shove they don't actually care about wahab. In the end their job is only to go back to original sources of quran and hadith. And to find answers to questions faced by modern muslims. Even if you only take the knowledge of hadith. It is so research intensive and academically challenging.

And an advice to fellow forumers. Hurling curses is very easy and Im sure I could do a better job. But I advice you to do what Quran asks us to do i.e "qul ha tu burhanakum in kun tum sadiqeen"(Quran 2:111) bring proofs if you are amongst the truthful.

What a joke you are selecting videos that do not even show there teachings and making fun of them without actaully learning about.

"When u have all sorts of pir, faqeers, naqshbandis, qadris, chistis etc etc some make their followers dance in masajid, some make them listen to musical qawali, some make them wear red/saffron clothes head to toe(forbidden in sahi ahadith and classed by scholars as taqleed of hindus) how can you expect acts of rightousness and guidance?"

Lol you flop none of these sufi groups teach this especially the Naqshbandis and chistis and pir and faqir are nothing to do with sufism you salafi just go bomb muslims cause war and more oppression to women make them leave the religion you lot are jokes the same sect taht helped britain and france to split the muslim lands may gods curse be upon you.

One more thing wahabism gets its teaching from hanbali school of thought and both are recent compared to maliki,shafi and hanbali school of thought.

 
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Some points being in circle think that they are closer to center (God) than the other points. In reality they are all at the same distance. Center is independent from them all.
 
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