Islamic miracle in australia

[khawar khurshid]

Is there any authentic evidence of rain after prayers in Australia?

 

[Yaseen1]

i already said that if it is written in non altering fate that no rain will occur it cannot be changed by prayers

Lets re-frame this topic a little.

Has any Imam ever cured any disease?
Have they ever discovered any laws of Physics?
Have they ever figured out how to go to the moon?

using only spiritual knowledge

they have not, and the reason is that it is not their domain.
The corporeal world and it's physical laws are not the domain of religion.

So why then, attribute physical phenomenon to spiritual mechanisms?

I do not expect an Imam to invent a rocket ship to go to the moon, similarly you should not attribute natural phenomenons to "miracles"


So again, buy that logic what does it mean when Muslims offered prayers and it did NOT rain?

 

[Rusty]

as I have already mentioned Islam has asked humans to use their intellect and effort for living but at same time prayers are needed to complement efforts ,Islam never prohibit from attaining scientific knowledge but encourages it

You side stepped the question.
No one is attacking prayers or anything like that.
What I have an issue with is "miracles"
They don't exist unless you accept the anti-miracles as well

 

[Yaseen1]

Is there any authentic evidence of rain after prayers in Australia?

 

[macnurv]

Yeah all god was waiting for was few idiots to pray to him, meanwhile he was chilling till hundred of thousands of hectors kept on burning, 2000 homes burned to the ground, hundred of thousands animals burned and over 25 people died. And all it was needed was some people praying!
Seriously brain dead people. Idiots are not looking at the damaged caused but are talking about miracles.

You side stepped the question.
No one is attacking prayers or anything like that.
What I have an issue with is "miracles"
They don't exist unless you accept the anti-miracles as well

Oh boy you are bringing logic in place or worship, this wont end well.

 

[Yaseen1]

You side stepped the question.
No one is attacking prayers or anything like that.
What I have an issue with is "miracles"
They don't exist unless you accept the anti-miracles as well

non miracles are accepted by everyone and no one deny it,miracle is very rare and is only signs to bring human attention for existence of GOD ALMIGHTY

damage is done due to human behavior resulting in pollution and global warming and human bad deeds are responsible for that but prayers resulted in blessing of GOD ALMIGHTY in form of rain

Yeah all god was waiting for was few idiots to pray to him, meanwhile he was chilling till hundred of thousands of hectors kept on burning, 2000 homes burned to the ground, hundred of thousands animals burned and over 25 people died. And all it was needed was some people praying!
Seriously brain dead people. Idiots are not looking at the damaged caused but are talking about miracles.


Oh boy you are bringing logic in place or worship, this wont end well.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Is there any authentic evidence of rain after prayers in Australia?

It rained a little bit in another part of the country but it isnt enough and the situation is quite dire.

Funny enough that Australian Muslims are not making a big fuss about it but this guy with no connection to us is

 

[Rusty]

non miracles are accepted by everyone and no one deny it,miracle is very rare and is only signs to bring human attention for existence of GOD ALMIGHTY

damage is done due to human behavior resulting in pollution and global warming and human bad deeds are responsible for that but prayers resulted in blessing of GOD ALMIGHTY in form of rain

Blood moons only occur rarely, are they miracles?
How about eclipses?

Bamboo plants shed seeds all at once, once every 50 years. That surely is a 50 year miracle... right?

You keep missing the point. I contend that everything follows the laws of physics and there is no such thing a a miracle.
Rare does not mean miracle.

Yeah all god was waiting for was few idiots to pray to him, meanwhile he was chilling till hundred of thousands of hectors kept on burning, 2000 homes burned to the ground, hundred of thousands animals burned and over 25 people died. And all it was needed was some people praying!
Seriously brain dead people. Idiots are not looking at the damaged caused but are talking about miracles.


Oh boy you are bringing logic in place or worship, this wont end well.

I'm just saying logic and religion should be kept separate so as not to confuse the religious and the logical.

 

[Yaseen1]

all these are signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY including physics laws as they are made by ALLAH ALMIGHTY and revealed to humans after they did effort for obtaining their knowledge.Many teachings of Islam are proved by scientists to be beneficial for human beings so following Islam will automatically help following laws of science

Blood moons only occur rarely, are they miracles?
How about eclipses?

Bamboo plants shed seeds all at once, once every 50 years. That surely is a 50 year miracle... right?

You keep missing the point. I contend that everything follows the laws of physics and there is no such thing a a miracle.
Rare does not mean miracle.



I'm just saying logic and religion should be kept separate so as not to confuse the religious and the logical.

 

[Rusty]

all these are signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY including physics laws as they are made by ALLAH ALMIGHTY and revealed to humans after they did effort for obtaining their knowledge.Many teachings of Islam are proved by scientists to be beneficial for human beings so following Islam will automatically help following laws of science

As a fellow Muslim I won't disagree with you.
But for the sake of argument lets say I was not.
I could simply saying "you have no evidence to back up your claim, I think those are signs of the spaghetti monster"

Now, you nor him would have any evidence to back up your claims and it just becomes a story of "He believes, she believes"

Which is why, again, we should stay away from such claims as they do nothing for anyone.

 

[Yaseen1]

i think the names actually refer to various forces and no one in world can deny such forces exist in universe who impact human beings daily life and conduct,you may call it depression ,anxiety ,jinn ,satan or other factor but their symptoms and effects would lead to similar meaning

As a fellow Muslim I won't disagree with you.
But for the sake of argument lets say I was not.
I could simply saying "you have no evidence to back up your claim, I think those are signs of the spaghetti monster"

Now, you nor him would have any evidence to back up your claims and it just becomes a story of "He believes, she believes"

Which is why, again, we should stay away from such claims as they do nothing for anyone.

 

[Rusty]

i think the names actually refer to various forces and no one in world can deny such forces exist in universe who impact human beings daily life and conduct,you may call it depression ,anxiety ,jinn ,satan or other factor but their symptoms and effects would lead to similar meaning

You are getting really abstract and hard to follow.

So I will just re-state for the 10th time that there are no such things as miracles and everything on Earth follows the laws of the Universe.

Anyone claiming there are must also acknowledge "anti -miracles"

 

[Yaseen1]

miracle start at point where physics laws end and human mind cannot understand their reality that may be reason why ALLAH ALMIGHTY HAS stopped miracles after Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) left this world ,if you go through all religions of world you will find Islam most closest to science than any other religion on earth

You are getting really abstract and hard to follow.

So I will just re-state for the 10th time that there are no such things as miracles and everything on Earth follows the laws of the Universe.

Anyone claiming there are must also acknowledge "anti -miracles"

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

The problem I have with these "miracles" is that they are impossible to falsify.

"Oh look, a Mosque was saved from the fire, it's God's miracle"

- Another mosque actually burns down

"Oh, it was God's will, move along, nothing to see here"

Be consistent.
If something is a miracle then when the opposite happens then it should be a .... anti-miracle?

Everything happen from Allah's will if something happened out of context then its a miracle.
Allah listen to everyones prayers he doesnt have to prove to people that is working on your request. so relax thing happens which we dont expect of out of logic let some people enjoy and praise to Allah.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

The Alimghty is the God of all---those who believe in Him and those who don't---.

But only those who talk to Him ask Him for help believers they are in true sense believers... So my point does cover this.

I never asked a cow for help or zeus thunder "god" to charge my fone or rain... Cuz I don't believe these can do anything or even comprehend me..

Only those who believe in Him ask from Him. So anyone who asks to him is essentially a believer