Islamic miracle in australia

[Doctor Strange]

Miracle or not. But Muslims' care for surroundings, Christian/Muslims praying together, religious harmony etc deserve respect.

 

[Yaseen1]

those who are calling it as religious bait have never tasted real essence of GOD help,i have experienced it many times in my life when I prayed to ALLAH ALMIGHTY for rain and rain happened after few time and it is common with many Muslims so it is truth which cannot be denied

donot mix miracle/signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY with fate,There is a type of fate which cannot be changed even Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H ) and many earlier Holy Prophets(P.B.U.H) cannot change fate of certain people even through prayers such as firon and abujahal but at the same time the miracles of ALLAH ALMIGHTY are truth and cannot be denied

The problem I have with these "miracles" is that they are impossible to falsify.

"Oh look, a Mosque was saved from the fire, it's God's miracle"

- Another mosque actually burns down

"Oh, it was God's will, move along, nothing to see here"

Be consistent.
If something is a miracle then when the opposite happens then it should be a .... anti-miracle?

Now for the facts

1. 50 Muslims prayed for rain in Adelaide, South Australia
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rk-Adelaide-amid-bushfire-drought-crisis.html
2. They were answering the call to prayer from across the world
https://www.novinite.com/articles/202538/The+World+Prays+for+Rain+in+Australia
3. But still no rain in that state. However we were already informed a day before that Sunday would be cooler and chance of some rain in small parts of Victoria and New South wales.

4. I live in Sydney, NSW we didn't get any rain till yesterday evening and it wasn't much.
5. Today the conditions are actually worse, there is a chance of 3 different fires merging into a Mega fire
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...ive-coverage/e95adc86c79d7f6f20d099a44a64118d

Please don't waste time on these BS click baits and actually pray

the effect of rain is much better and effective than the efforts made by human technology to control these fires

It is a blessing nonetheless. Everything is by Allah's will, and we believe that rain can either be a blessing or a punishment. This rain has brought relief according to news but there is still fire in parts ablaze and it could worsen into a "mega blaze." It's still looking very bad for Australia.

but the effect of rain is much better and effective than the efforts made by human technology to control these fires

word miracle used here is actually for meaning of signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY,it is not for the same meaning as in the time of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) as such miracles ended 1400yrs ago

 

[Rusty]

those who are calling it as religious bait have never tasted real essence of GOD help,i have experienced it many times in my life when I prayed to ALLAH ALMIGHTY for rain and rain happened after few time and it is common with many Muslims so it is truth which cannot be denied

donot mix miracle/signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY with fate,There is a type of fate which cannot be changed even Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H ) and many earlier Holy Prophets(P.B.U.H) cannot change fate of certain people even through prayers such as firon and abujahal but at the same time the miracles of ALLAH ALMIGHTY are truth and cannot be denied



the effect of rain is much better and effective than the efforts made by human technology to control these fires


but the effect of rain is much better and effective than the efforts made by human technology to control these fires

You made a very personal argument.
No one can disagree with your feelings.
I can say that I feel God is blessing me when I take a warm bath, you can't disagree with that.

Problem comes when you start calling miracles, which are not personal.
If you claim something is a miracle, I can calm the opposite is an anti-miracle then.

 

[Yaseen1]

many people die during treatment in hospital but it not stops other people from getting treatment in hospital by same doctors and trusting them for better results why this not come to your mind at that time, the main matter is fate as if death or loss is written in fate which is unalterable it cannot be changed as fate is also written by ALLAH ALMIGHTY and GOD ALMIGHTY knows much better than humans

You made a very personal argument.
No one can disagree with your feelings.
I can say that I feel God is blessing me when I take a warm bath, you can't disagree with that.

Problem comes when you start calling miracles, which are not personal.
If you claim something is a miracle, I can calm the opposite is an anti-miracle then.

 

[KAL-EL]

The Alimghty is the God of all---those who believe in Him and those who don't---.

Amen brother

 

[Imad.Khan]

those who are calling it as religious bait have never tasted real essence of GOD help,i have experienced it many times in my life when I prayed to ALLAH ALMIGHTY for rain and rain happened after few time and it is common with many Muslims so it is truth which cannot be denied

donot mix miracle/signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY with fate,There is a type of fate which cannot be changed even Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H ) and many earlier Holy Prophets(P.B.U.H) cannot change fate of certain people even through prayers such as firon and abujahal but at the same time the miracles of ALLAH ALMIGHTY are truth and cannot be denied



the effect of rain is much better and effective than the efforts made by human technology to control these fires


but the effect of rain is much better and effective than the efforts made by human technology to control these fires

word miracle used here is actually for meaning of signs of ALLAH ALMIGHTY,it is not for the same meaning as in the time of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) as such miracles ended 1400yrs ago

It is a religious click bait, for one you are claiming it to be an Islamic miracle when it wasn't just Muslims praying but every community and every religion was involved. Secondly we were already aware that there would be some rains the next day and finally you are claiming that all the fire is gone when in fact apart from a couple of towns at the far end of the country the rest of the country is not just burning but there is a chance that 3 fires could merge and become a mega fire.

Not denying that rain is a blessing but by blindly advocating everything as an Islamic miracle is doing a massive disservice to the religion.

Also the 3rd video you shared as part of your "Islamic Miracle" is from 2018.

 

[Rusty]

many people die during treatment in hospital but it not stops other people from getting treatment in hospital by same doctors and trusting them for better results why this not come to your mind at that time, the main matter is fate as if death or loss is written in fate which is unalterable it cannot be changed as fate is also written by ALLAH ALMIGHTY and GOD ALMIGHTY knows much better than humans

This is where the scientific method comes in.

Group 1: do not go to the Hospital for a disease (lets say Cancer)

Group 2: go to the hospital

If 90% of people in group 1 die and 40% of people in group 2 die (all else being equal) that means that the doctors are doing something of value. they are doing something that will effect the rate of people who are dying.

We should apply the same principle to miracles.
If a mosques is saved from a fire and it's a "miracle"

then a mosque that was burned down by a fire must be an "anti-miracle"

 

[Yaseen1]

prayer was initiated by Muslims and not by others that is why I used name of Islam,weather prediction are never 100 percent accurate and I have witnessed many times rain was foretasted wrongly by meteorology department and no rain happened for long time so prayers have major role in rain.

It is a religious click bait, for one you are claiming it to be an Islamic miracle when it wasn't just Muslims praying but every community and every religion was involved. Secondly we were already aware that there would be some rains the next day and finally you are claiming that all the fire is gone when in fact apart from a couple of towns at the far end of the country the rest of the country is not just burning but there is a chance that 3 fires could merge and become a mega fire.

Not denying that rain is a blessing but by blindly advocating everything as an Islamic miracle is doing a massive disservice to the religion.

Also the 3rd video you shared as part of your "Islamic Miracle" is from 2018.

View attachment 598381

 

[Yaseen1]

What a lot of bullshit, typical


How do you know it was only instigated by Muslims? Are you trying to big-note Muslims? After all the evil Muslims have done?

All religions in Australia are praying in their own way, stop talking shit and trying to say "Muslim prayers" saved Australia.

as reports said that others joined Muslims in prayers which shows it was initiated by Muslims and also Muslims were leading prayers

there are certain things for which ALLAH ALMIGHTY has given freedom to humans to use their intellect and mind like controlling fire on mosque as it is small and limited but there are certain matters for which humans are not given complete authority like rains and weather or climate change and prevention of death when time of death comes so we humans should also try their best to prevent damage and keeping them safe through their efforts but at the same time Pray to ALLAH ALMIGHTY for help as humans have limitations beyond which they cannot control matters but for matters which are within human reach humans are ordered to make effort in Islam

This is where the scientific method comes in.

Group 1: do not go to the Hospital for a disease (lets say Cancer)

Group 2: go to the hospital

If 90% of people in group 1 die and 40% of people in group 2 die (all else being equal) that means that the doctors are doing something of value. they are doing something that will effect the rate of people who are dying.

We should apply the same principle to miracles.
If a mosques is saved from a fire and it's a "miracle"

then a mosque that was burned down by a fire must be an "anti-miracle"

What a lot of bullshit, typical


How do you know it was only instigated by Muslims? Are you trying to big-note Muslims? After all the evil Muslims have done?

All religions in Australia are praying in their own way, stop talking shit and trying to say "Muslim prayers" saved Australia.

 

[Imad.Khan]

prayer was initiated by Muslims and not by others that is why I used name of Islam,weather prediction are never 100 percent accurate and I have witnessed many times rain was foretasted wrongly by meteorology department and no rain happened for long time so prayers have major role in rain.

Muslims didn't initiate anything, seriously why do you lie so much?

The request for interfaith prayers was started on the 2nd of Jan 2020 by a Buddhist Monk in Lancashire.

https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/38634

Here is a video of Hindus praying on the same day as the Muslims did

https://www.hinduhumanrights.info/video-hindu-prayers-for-rain-in-australia/

The Christians have been praying since the fires started

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=600757794002627

The Anglicans started praying on the 2nd of Jan 2020

https://sydneyanglicans.net/news/prayer-for-protection-amid-bushfire-emergency

South Africans started prayers for Australia on the 3rd of Jan 2020

https://www.sapeople.com/2020/01/03...-to-pray-for-rain-in-australia-as-fires-rage/

You could have just shared the video of Muslims praying for rain in Australia and requested others to join them, but NOOOOOOOO you had to sensationalize it by calling it an Islamic miracle.

 

[Yaseen1]

Muslims didn't initiate anything, seriously why do you lie so much?

The request for interfaith prayers was started on the 2nd of Jan 2020 by a Buddhist Monk in Lancashire.

https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/38634

Here is a video of Hindus praying on the same day as the Muslims did

https://www.hinduhumanrights.info/video-hindu-prayers-for-rain-in-australia/

The Christians have been praying since the fires started

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=600757794002627

The Anglicans started praying on the 2nd of Jan 2020

https://sydneyanglicans.net/news/prayer-for-protection-amid-bushfire-emergency

South Africans started prayers for Australia on the 3rd of Jan 2020

https://www.sapeople.com/2020/01/03...-to-pray-for-rain-in-australia-as-fires-rage/

You could have just shared the video of Muslims praying for rain in Australia and requested others to join them, but NOOOOOOOO you had to sensationalize it by calling it an Islamic miracle.

effect of prayers occurred when Muslims were specially requested by others to make prayer for rain so use your sense

 

[Imad.Khan]

What a lot of bullshit, typical


How do you know it was only instigated by Muslims? Are you trying to big-note Muslims? After all the evil Muslims have done?

All religions in Australia are praying in their own way, stop talking shit and trying to say "Muslim prayers" saved Australia.

Just ignore him, he is one of those dumbos that never think with their bigger heads instead think from their heads in their pants

please tell me if 5th of Jan 2020 becomes before or after the 2nd of Jan 2020?

@waz @Horus @Dubious

Please delete this thread, this guy @Yaseen1 is making a mockery of our religion.

 

[Yaseen1]

Just ignore him, he is one of those dumbos that never think with their bigger heads instead think from their heads in their pants



please tell me if 5th of Jan 2020 becomes before or after the 2nd of Jan 2020?

@waz @Horus @Dubious

Please delete this thread, this guy @Yaseen1 is making a mockery of our religion.

rain occurred after Muslims were specially requested to make prayers so when previous prayers by others are not bearing results Muslims offered special prayers which others joined and rain started after that

 

[Rusty]

as reports said that others joined Muslims in prayers which shows it was initiated by Muslims and also Muslims were leading prayers

there are certain things for which ALLAH ALMIGHTY has given freedom to humans to use their intellect and mind like controlling fire on mosque as it is small and limited but there are certain matters for which humans are not given complete authority like rains and weather or climate change and prevention of death when time of death comes so we humans should also try their best to prevent damage and keeping them safe through their efforts but at the same time Pray to ALLAH ALMIGHTY for help as humans have limitations beyond which they cannot control matters but for matters which are within human reach humans are ordered to make effort in Islam

Lets re-frame this topic a little.

Has any Imam ever cured any disease?
Have they ever discovered any laws of Physics?
Have they ever figured out how to go to the moon?

using only spiritual knowledge

they have not, and the reason is that it is not their domain.
The corporeal world and it's physical laws are not the domain of religion.

So why then, attribute physical phenomenon to spiritual mechanisms?

I do not expect an Imam to invent a rocket ship to go to the moon, similarly you should not attribute natural phenomenons to "miracles"

rain occurred after Muslims were specially requested to make prayers so when previous prayers by others are not bearing results Muslims offered special prayers which others joined and rain started after that

So again, buy that logic what does it mean when Muslims offered prayers and it did NOT rain?

 

[Yaseen1]

as I have already mentioned Islam has asked humans to use their intellect and effort for living but at same time prayers are needed to complement efforts ,Islam never prohibit from attaining scientific knowledge but encourages it

Lets re-frame this topic a little.

Has any Imam ever cured any disease?
Have they ever discovered any laws of Physics?
Have they ever figured out how to go to the moon?

using only spiritual knowledge

they have not, and the reason is that it is not their domain.
The corporeal world and it's physical laws are not the domain of religion.

So why then, attribute physical phenomenon to spiritual mechanisms?

I do not expect an Imam to invent a rocket ship to go to the moon, similarly you should not attribute natural phenomenons to "miracles"


So again, buy that logic what does it mean when Muslims offered prayers and it did NOT rain?