Islam didn't enter the present day subcontinent via Sindh (Mohammad bin Qasim) correcting history.

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Long before Mohammed Qasim's invasion or any Arab empires attacks on the subcontinent, the first mosque in the subcontinent was constructed in 629 AD in modern day Kerala probably by Arab traders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Mosque

 

[Viny]

You Mean I Will End Up In Chakra of Birth and Rebirth

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read The Links Again What Part of 12.5 Million More Converts Don't You Get.Read This If You Want More.
And BTW The Videos Are Of Men With Strong Christian Upbringing and Sheikh Yusuf Was An Islamophobe Before Converting.Read This

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

I consider concepts like rebirth and afterlife as hogwash. It has absolutely no meaning for me.

"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another." - Law of conservation of Energy.

This is what sanatan dharam spoke of when it talked about rebirth. Its just transformation of energy. The pancha mahabhuta remains standed You where born out from constituents of this nature, you will get back into same and the cycle will continue.

 

[Jugger]

Islam Came to Indian Subcontinent via 2 different Roots.

1) via Baluchistan in the North.

2) Via Kerala in South.

A great gesture by gifting the replica of the first mosque ever in India to the king of Saudi Arabia.
India can never be India without Islam.
It is this assimilation of various religions and culture's that make India great.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

You can debate history and the teaching of islam with any isis member you would lose the debate

I have debated with people like them and i've never lost once. They use verses and ahadith which are completely unrelated to the situation the verses were released. You have to understand the the Quran was given to us chronologically at the time of the Prophet.

For example when the Meccans invaded Medina verses like these were given REFERRING to the Meccan invaders.

2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fear Him.
2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers of good.

These sets of verses were an official declaration of war against the Meccan invaders and oppressors, it clearly states that if they stop attacking then you must cease as well.

People like Daesh would use cut and copy techniques from this to apply it to the modern world and brainwash their followers.

If you can deny that isis is not islamic you can deny what the early muslims did and you have to say that the islamic conquests have nothing to do with islam and what the dynasties like ummyyad,Abbasid,Seljuks,ghaznavies,ottomans ,and the mughal have nothing to do with islam because everything they did isis did in modern day​

All of them were nothing compared to the nations and empires of their time.

Terrorizing the infidels is part or the islamic teachings

Please back it up with evidence rather than making baseless claims.

All the Muslims dynasties in the past provoked the west for the sake of jihad so that's prove that what isis doing today the Muslims did in the past

That's nowhere near the case. If you remember history correctly, it was the Byzantines who started the war - the first Caliphate had no intentions of conquering regions to the North. Muslims sent an expedition against the Ghassanids whose raids had devastated Northern Arabia, the Ghassanids were vassals of the Byzantines and so the Byzantines dispatched an army and intercepted then destroyed the expedition - thus starting the war.

If you look at invasion of Sindh as well; the war was started because of the constant attacks on Muslim shipping and pilgrims which were even to an extent supported by the local Kingdoms there. The issue boiled over when a pilgrimage ship carrying hundreds of men, women and children were massacred by pirates - Raja Dahir was given a warning but he did not take action and thus the invasion commenced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bawarij

 

[Mentee]

I told you who how you bharatis think and comprehend things. Whataboutism the new disease in India.

Besides caste system hinduism do have sects . Folks in the north hail Hindu lord Rama as their avatar of God while guys in the south worship Ravana , the arch enemy of Rama

Caste system: make difference in peoples and distribute people and group for specific task like brahmans, shuds, thakur etc etc.
Sect: It is created due to different opinions and all people follows according to their will and no body force them to follow.

Now how can you compare oranges with apple? Our sects didn't force people or group of peoples for any specific task to perform and any body can be Mufti or Mulvi. I hope now you the difference. By the way which caste of Hindu you are?

India is perhaps the first democracy in the world where govt jobs are allocated on the basis of caste system

 

[aryadravida_exmuslim]

Whole of subcontinent must learn from Kerala about unity in diversity.

Anecdotes don't count.
Kerala is a nightmare for RSS and Islamists alike.

 

[SMASTER]

If you can deny that isis is not islamic you can deny what the early muslims did and you have to say that the islamic conquests have nothing to do with islam and what the dynasties like ummyyad,Abbasid,Seljuks,ghaznavies,ottomans ,and the mughal have nothing to do with islam because everything they did isis did in modern day​

I could not help but notice how conveniently you have left the name of other empire like Fatmid in Egypt and Safavid in Iran ? Any specific reason ?

 

[mirage]

have u ever read about the spanish inquisitions and similar pogroms against the jews in christian europe, russia. zionists carried out periodic bombings in british mandate of palestine to achieve separate jewish homeland of israel. that was terrorism too. people in medieval europe were burnt at the stake, tortured for questioning church beliefs and dogmas. u can't blame the religion for giving rise to fanatics. it arises due to literal interpretations of verses by people with vested interests. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all beautiful religions don't abuse them because of some stupid fanatics

hehehe . it arises due to literal interpretations of verses by people with vested interests. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all beautiful religions don't abuse them because of some stupid fanatics . so you say all the past events were unjustified , and can you kindly enumerate and throw some light on the names of people who are so called stupid fanatics . .
as far as i perceive , when religion is taken over by material desires and wishes , terrorism is bound to happen , no matter what is the religion or faith . people will be violent and inhumane . bye for now

 

[takeiteasy]

Islam entered Subcontinent via Kerala. Ancient heroes of Malabar like Kunhali Marakkar are actually Arabs (Yemeni, Egyptians). Although, Malabar has a lot of Hindu converts, the Islam here is the oldest and still has more contact with Saudia and rest of the GCC compared to subcontinent's other regions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Deenar
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/a-kerala-family-may-come-into-rs-5000-crore-saudi-bonanza/210048
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyi_family

The Arab traders may have propagated Islam even to as far as China. The Shafi fiqh is followed by majority of Mappila's (Malabari Muslims) till this day unlike Hanafis in rest of the subcontinent. Even in Malaysia, Indonesia too Shafi fiqh seems to be the major.

 

[Vishvamitra]

Islam entered Subcontinent via Kerala. Ancient heroes of Malabar like Kunhali Marakkar are actually Arabs (Yemeni, Egyptians). Although, Malabar has a lot of Hindu converts, the Islam here is the oldest and still has more contact with Saudia and rest of the GCC compared to subcontinent's other regions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Deenar
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/a-kerala-family-may-come-into-rs-5000-crore-saudi-bonanza/210048
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyi_family

The Arab traders may have propagated Islam even to as far as China. The Shafi fiqh is followed by majority of Mappila's (Malabari Muslims) till this day unlike Hanafis in rest of the subcontinent. Even in Malaysia, Indonesia too Shafi fiqh seems to be the major.

No, islam entered in Subcontinent via balochistan sindh and gujarat.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Long before Mohammed Qasim's invasion or any Arab empires attacks on the subcontinent, the first mosque in the subcontinent was constructed in 629 AD in modern day Kerala probably by Arab traders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Mosque

there is no way to determine what structure was the first mosque of subcontinent .cherama juma mosque has a claim no one challenged but it has little value.

there were many mosques at that time around the coastal belt as well as small pockets of converts as arabs were visiting debal around the same time and used to pray there as well and had local converts but didnt construct a giant structure to be used as a mosque.

The original post is about islamic conquests and the way region got introduced to islam was through the muslim rulers who made demographics changes by missionary movements not few converts from a sleepy town kerala.

 

[S.Y.A]

No, islam entered in Subcontinent via balochistan sindh and gujarat.

Islam, as a political force, entered South Asia via Balochistan, Sindh and Gujrat. But, Islam as a religion, as in the earliest presence was in Kerala.

Umar r.a ordered his forces to consolidate their position on the western bank of the Indus River .It was further decided that Makran should be the easternmost frontier of the Islamic empire and that no further attempt should be made to extend the conquests.

This was actually the state policy by Harazt Umar RA, he stopped any expansion beyond the regions conquered till that time, whether it was North Africa, or Anatolia, or Central Asia, to first consolidate the rule in the already conquered lands.

 

[Mian Babban]

9th century Arabic source "Fatukh al-Baldan" records that during the period of Caliph Amir Mauwiya, Muhalib abi ibn Safra invested the border of Hind in 44 Hijri and came upto Bannah (Bannu) and Al-Awhar (Lahor, a town in Swabi).....the text says that these two cities are located between Kabul and Multan.

Reference: "The motive behind the Arab invasion of Sind as gleaned from the Fatuh-al-Baldan" by Hussain Khan

 

[Jugger]

Islam, as a political force, entered South Asia via Balochistan, Sindh and Gujrat. But, Islam as a religion, as in the earliest presence was in Kerala.

You are absolutely right.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) described india as a pleasent fragrance in the breeze.
So India as an ancient land will always be respected for its contribution to human civilization.

 

[Hamza913]

Islam is an arab imperialism

i dont know why some people choose foreign religion

Maybe because they think it's the truth? Surely a religion, if true, wouldn't be restricted to a specific region or ethnic group?

All dynasties were evil. There were no saints.

Having said that, interesting to note that Islamic empires never killed people on a large scale. Here's a list from Wikipedia:

85 million dead - world war 2

40 million dead - Mongol conquests (biggest genocide in history)

100 million dead - Taiping rebellion

138 million dead - colonization of the Americas

25 million dead - Qing dynasty conquering China

40 million dead - 3 kingdoms war

21 million dead - world war 1

-- and so on, the list is pretty big. There's also Hindu king Ashoka's massacre of millions of other hindus.

The only Muslim ruler I can see is Timur, but he was inspired by Genghis Khan (claimed descent from him), killed the same way as Mongols (mountains of skull) and tried to reestablish Mongol empire.

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Not saying Muslim emperors were saints or anything. But then no one was!

Last time I checked Timur still ruled by Mongoloid Yassin laws, not to mention he attacked his fellow Muslims several times but allied himself with the Europeans. He also used black magic to curse his tomb.

He's pretty much a kaffir.

In islam there is no caste only several sects. Well u have written that caste system is a failed project. What do you say about sect.

Sects are stupid, especially when all of them except for Sunni Islam are actually Muslims in a literal sense.

"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another." - Law of conservation of Energy.

This is what sanatan dharam spoke of when it talked about rebirth. Its just transformation of energy. The pancha mahabhuta remains standed You where born out from constituents of this nature, you will get back into same and the cycle will continue.

Even if it is true, it makes no damn difference because you won't remember your previous life. So you pretty much die.