Islam and Democracy in Indonesia : Tolerance without Liberalism

[patu]

Are indonesians still protesting/rioting or they stop already? I mean life is hard there, you need to work 24/7 just to be able to feed yourself.

Bro, could you aplicate what "our east value" said in communicate with another?
We, the whole asian nation always be pride for polite in manner but.....

Bro, be wise please,you gain nothing in spreading the hate trigger.

 

[papacita]

Trolls know no East values. They just wanna feed their ego by trash talking, which is sad. No need to take them seriously.

 

[patu]

Trolls know no East values. They just wanna feed their ego by trash talking, which is sad. No need to take them seriously.

Pity on them.

 

[Nike]

Everyone can practice Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and other religions as long as they don't harm others with other beliefs. But can you explain why most recent terrorists are muslims?


Venezuela has higher GDP per capita than China. Does that mean anything when the people in the American country have hunger, running out of everything from water, food, electricity to toilet paper?

Indonesia even imports rice from Vietnam to feed their hungry population. They export maids to overseas to serve the new white master: the Chinese.

oh reallity must hit you hard right now? we send maid abroad to working honestly, your country sold their daughters to married Chinese boys. Seems working hard is not on Vietnam dictionary nowadays.

Indonesia is by far the largest industrialized country in the region, have well respected military industry in which clearly producing tanks, armored vehicles in broad range of any types, aircraft until warships, AshM at homes even comm satellites and radar tech, producing enough electricity to support our automotive industry in which clearly producing 2 millions car a year and more than 7 million motor cycle a year, had total production of ships more than a million in GWT a year (second only in the region after Philippine). Even we continuesly made significant progress in the most political uncertainty at homes.

Thats being done after our "maids" worker return back to our country after learning how industrialized country works, and teach their childrens to work even harder than their and prohibiting them just to live by open their legs for their husbands at beds like what Vietnamese parents teach when solds their daughter to the Chinese.

clearly Islam in Indonesia teaching people to work hard and define working for their family as a true form of jihad, even trying to fight back poverty is clearly a jihad.

thats why we can build so many progress like this

we clearly had a clear goals and clear results on how about to become the biggest country in Asean, by any means our silent about our progress is not dedicated to some chess thumping monkey like you but to our humble and hard working people

 

[Viet]

oh reallity must hit you hard right now? we send maid abroad to working honestly, your country sold their daughters to married Chinese boys. Seems working hard is not on Vietnam dictionary nowadays.

Indonesia is by far the largest industrialized country in the region, have well respected military industry in which clearly producing tanks, armored vehicles in broad range of any types, aircraft until warships, AshM at homes even comm satellites and radar tech, producing enough electricity to support our automotive industry in which clearly producing 2 millions car a year and more than 7 million motor cycle a year, had total production of ships more than a million in GWT a year (second only in the region after Philippine). Even we continuesly made significant progress in the most political uncertainty at homes.

Thats being done after our "maids" worker return back to our country after learning how industrialized country works, and teach their childrens to work even harder than their and prohibiting them just to live by open their legs for their husbands at beds like what Vietnamese parents teach when solds their daughter to the Chinese.

clearly Islam in Indonesia teaching people to work hard and define working for their family as a true form of jihad, even trying to fight back poverty is clearly a jihad.

thats why we can build so many progress like this

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we clearly had a clear goals and clear results on how about to become the biggest country in Asean, by any means our silent about our progress is not dedicated to some chess thumping monkey like you but to our humble and hard working people
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Sis mado I m a bit disappointed. I had expected you voiced anger or at least displeasure about the fact your indonesia practices barbarism by beating women both young and old in public. Imagine you are beaten because you stand too close to your boy friend. Calling your country primitiv is an understatement.

Second, Indo army is well known for beating civilians by human rights group. Vietnam export and import figures have surpassed yours by wide margins. So please don't brag about your industrial capacity.

 

[Nike]

Sis mado I m a bit disappointed. I had expected you voiced anger or at least displeasure about the fact your indonesia practices barbarism by beating women both young and old in public. Imagine you are beaten because you stand too close to your boy friend. Calling your country primitiv is an understatement.

Second, Indo army is well known for beating civilians by human rights group. Vietnam export and import figures have surpassed yours by wide margins. So please don't brag about your industrial capacity.

Aceh law is Aceh rules, if they implemented Sharia under the jurisdiction of Indonesian authority then let it be, after all that's what the Acehnese people want, we are not just some outsider who apparently knows nothing and bragging about their theory of humanity and called other barbaric. Remember your homeland country is the most undemocratic ones in the region and had the least Voice of Freedom and people is very afraid to voicing their opinions elsethen they must facing with brutal repercussion from Central Governments, is very like the hermit Kingdom of North Korea or some Middle East countries.

what industry Vietnam had? the only thing i found is sockings, apparels and underwear stuffs, oh and some stolen fish, this right?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Vietnam export most of their products because they can't absorb them in their domestic market. Their domestic consumption is small since most of their citizen are poor. While Indonesia absorbs most of its manufactured/produced goods/products for its own consumption. We produce in huge number, but we consume even bigger.

 

[papacita]

Vietnam export most of their products because they can't absorb them in their domestic market. Their domestic consumption is small since most of their citizen are poor. While Indonesia absorbs most of its manufactured/produced goods/products for its own consumption. We produce in huge number, but we consume even bigger.

About to say this. Their exports percentage to GDP is 90%, same level with countries like Singapore, Luxembourg, Ireland, etc which barely have 10 million population. Anyway this is the same guy that said Viet Nam govt will solve illegal fishing problems in four years, can't wait what he'll come up with next.

 

[Nike]

Vietnam export most of their products because they can't absorb them in their domestic market. Their domestic consumption is small since most of their citizen are poor. While Indonesia absorbs most of its manufactured/produced goods/products for its own consumption. We produce in huge number, but we consume even bigger.

Religion sides, Islam in Indonesia promoting hardworking and individual achievement, although other sects promoting the unwanted teaching but that's not the mass. Most Indonesian agree if we must emulating work ethics of China, SK and Japan in our daily life as part of our struggle against poverty and stupidity not some Middle Eastern nonsense violence.

 

[Major d1]

There are huge clash between islam and democracy. By the name of liberalism islam can't accept democracy as a whole.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

The essence of democracy is integral part of Islamic teaching.

 

[nang2]

The essence of democracy is integral part of Islamic teaching.

Democracy cannot be any religion's essence.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia have 5 pillars of state philosophy (Pancasila) that formulate Democracy as Musyawarah or negotiation for consensus, a referendum on which the majority of people agree to decide public matters.

It's not just Democracy per se, for whatever that is... but:
"Democracy guided by the inner wisdom in the unanimity arising out of deliberations amongst representatives."
That's pretty much inline with Islamic teaching.

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

Are indonesians still protesting/rioting or they stop already? I mean life is hard there, you need to work 24/7 just to be able to feed yourself.

Sis mado I m a bit disappointed. I had expected you voiced anger or at least displeasure about the fact your indonesia practices barbarism by beating women both young and old in public. Imagine you are beaten because you stand too close to your boy friend. Calling your country primitiv is an understatement.

Second, Indo army is well known for beating civilians by human rights group. Vietnam export and import figures have surpassed yours by wide margins. So please don't brag about your industrial capacity.

Allowing your daughter to sleep with multiple boys before her marriage is the actual primitive act.

Caning a single girl isn't actually painful, but this allows the honor of millions of other girls are preserved.

You won't understand it.....

 

[Viet]

Vietnam export most of their products because they can't absorb them in their domestic market. Their domestic consumption is small since most of their citizen are poor. While Indonesia absorbs most of its manufactured/produced goods/products for its own consumption. We produce in huge number, but we consume even bigger.

all economic powers have one thing in common: they produce for the world markets, hence having huge trade figure in export and import. you can name them: America, China, Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, Germany, etc.. all have money to invest overseas, making deals every day.

seems you are the exception. you produce nothing for others, hence import very little if comparing to your GDP. or is your GDP faked to sasisfy your ego? you invest virtually nothing oversea. you do little for others, but constant bragging asean leader. I assume if your country disappears tomorrow, nobody notices.

or do you believe to your islam teaching Germany with huge trade figures is a poor country, with little domestic consumption?

Indonesia have 5 pillars of state philosophy (Pancasila) that formulate Democracy as Musyawarah or negotiation for consensus, a referendum on which the majority of people agree to decide public matters.

It's not just Democracy per se, for whatever that is... but:
"Democracy guided by the inner wisdom in the unanimity arising out of deliberations amongst representatives."
That's pretty much inline with Islamic teaching.

don´t insult democracy if you don´t have any clue about it!