Islam and Democracy in Indonesia : Tolerance without Liberalism

[ShoutB]

any where , where Islam prevails is automatically Part of Pakistan

 

[Viet]

what Vietnamese know about Democracy? are your home country have free press? are your country have good governance system? are your country leader can be elected by the mass of people? You as Vietnamese here talking about democracy against us Indonesian who implemented democracy with struggle and being at the points of bullets in the past is not even a good jokes.

No Vietnam is not a democratic country but more democratic than let say Philippines. Durtete seems can do whatever he likes. Imposing curfew, irdering killings of people who are suspected of drug abuses, insulting Barack Obama, declaring end military alliance. Such thing is impossible unthinkable in Vietnam.

Yes Vietnam has a communist party, socialist laws but in case you don't know, implements one of most important thing in democracy: the division of power. Nobody has the power to decide alone what and how to things in Vietnam, because the power is shared by 4 groups headed by 4 key persons: the party chief, the state president, the prime minister and the chairwoman of the parliament. Yes there is election as well voting members of parliament.

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

No Vietnam is not a democratic country but more democratic than let say Philippines. Durtete seems can do whatever he likes. Imposing curfew, irdering killings of people who are suspected of drug abuses, insulting Barack Obama, declaring end military alliance. Such thing is impossible unthinkable in Vietnam.

Yes Vietnam has a communist party, socialist laws but in case you don't know, implements one of most important thing in democracy: the division of power. Nobody has the power to decide alone what and how to things in Vietnam, because the power is shared by 4 groups headed by 4 key persons: the party chief, the state president, the prime minister and the chairwoman of the parliament. Yes there is election as well voting members of parliament.

Do you understand democracy? If Filipinos voted for Duterte, it's democracy, no matter what Duterte will do during his administration. Your Quadrumvirate isn't chosen by people. Division of power between executive and parliament is democracy, because both are chosen by people. People decide who counterbalance who. This doesn't apply in your country.

 

[Viet]

Do you understand democracy? If Filipinos voted for Duterte, it's democracy, no matter what Duterte will do during his administration. Your Quadrumvirate isn't chosen by people. Division of power between executive and parliament is democracy, because both are chosen by people. People decide who counterbalance who. This doesn't apply in your country.

it is you who failed to understand. Both division of power, check and balance are key elements. Control of power. Otherwise it will create a dictator as soon as he or she gets elected. Well I don't blame you. Also Indonesia has a banana democracy.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

A communist wanna tell us about democracy and even try to compare it to a failed state. That's not even funny.

This is how the WORLD see Indonesia's democracy.

The Economist Intelligence Unit Democracy index map for 2015.
Greener colours represent more democratic countries.

 

[Nike]

it is you who failed to understand. Both division of power, check and balance are key elements. Control of power. Otherwise it will create a dictator as soon as he or she gets elected. Well I don't blame you. Also Indonesia has a banana democracy.

banana whats, sure you got a lot of Banana on your brain so you can't comprehend a single yet simple facts, Indonesia is a real democracy country where they had Muslim population as majority.

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

it is you who failed to understand. Both division of power, check and balance are key elements. Control of power. Otherwise it will create a dictator as soon as he or she gets elected. Well I don't blame you. Also Indonesia has a banana democracy.

Division of power to those who are not elected by people?

Check and balance by those who are not elected by people

Control of power by those who are not elected by people?

That's your definition of democracy?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Division of power to those who are not elected by people?
Check and balance by those who are not elected by people
Control of power by those who are not elected by people?
That's your definition of democracy?

Division of powers among families, friends and colleague. Isn't that nepotism?!
They practice state sponsored nepotism and rebrand it as Democratic form

 

[Nike]

Division of power to those who are not elected by people?

Check and balance by those who are not elected by people

Control of power by those who are not elected by people?

That's your definition of democracy?

don't asking him difficult questions, just asking him if Vietnam ever held a fair and direct Election to vote their leader, like this one

not even their Children is capable to have free thinking and study about democracy and pluralism regardless of races, religion and ethnics

our democracy know no bounds, everypeople regardless of their ethnicity and the place their living at have equal rights and the same value when voting, democracy is not exclusive for any races or religion

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

Division of powers among families, friends and colleague. Isn't that nepotism?!
They practice state sponsored nepotism and rebrand it as Democratic form

At least they have the word "Republic" in Socialist Republic of Vietnam....right? :p

don't asking him difficult questions, just asking him if Vietnam ever held a fair and direct Election to vote their leader, like this one

not even their Children is capable to have free thinking and study about democracy and pluralism regardless of races, religion and ethnics

Really....I'm only starting with democracy 101...already too difficult for him?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

At least they have the word "Republic" in Socialist Republic of Vietnam....right? :p

Right. In their current state, they could learn a lot about democracy from Myanmar

 

[Major d1]

What democracy gave the world? No one can understand. Just a nasty governing system with full of capitalistic corruption.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

What democracy gave the world? No one can understand. Just a nasty governing system with full of capitalistic corruption.

Democracy is just a tools, there's no point blaming the tools.

 

[Nike]

What democracy gave the world? No one can understand. Just a nasty governing system with full of capitalistic corruption.

don't blame the tools, is almost same attitude to blame the gun for the owner inabilities to keep the gun at right and safe place

 

[Major d1]

don't blame the tools, is almost same attitude to blame the gun for the owner inabilities to keep the gun at right and safe place

i Agreed wth you. its just a governing system of capitalism. means clash of ideologies. Islam vs Capitalism.

Democracy is just a tools, there's no point blaming the tools.

Dn't u think ppl r suffering for this tool?