that's the second time you mentioned india in this thread... what's your fascination?? apart from indian ladies, i mean...
respectfully, i am socialist which not only negates nationalism but also puts me against the indian system ( which is capitalist and important nato ally )...india as a political entity was never in the eastern bloc... in the korea war, india partcipated alongside usa/uno militaries and against the eastern bloc...
Why US? Because they are the responsible one for the mess in Iraq due wrong policies, which paved the way for isis. For the same reason, if the US is a super power, why it needs Turkey and European countries against isis? At least Bush was more decisive. it was the west that wanted to topple Assad just like other ME and African countries, so why you mainly blame Turkey is beyond me. You're going to need a bigger mirror to check yourself.
Same indecisiveness you have as some western leaders. First support such protests as the arab spring or screw it up through active support or intervention, then 'oh, it seems its gonna destabilize the region, lets support the govt instead', withdraws support and watches the people in such regions eating each other. Same treachery as in Egypt, democratically elected Morsi removed through a coup, yet west is nowhere to condemn this. Either stay all out of it or support the parties that are close with the west, but not appear to be A (democratic and pro-nato) and do B (support dictator sisi and solely drag Turkey in an active war for your own benefit). Turkey has faced injustice from western countries too, so such moral stories from the west sound so funny to our ears.
No, the problem is people like you think they know everything better. we have debated this before, Turkey has made mistakes too, but despite all of this the western hypocrisy, indecisive policies against Assad, screw ups in ME and African countries, support for our enemies pkk/pyd etc. you want to convince on what is better for us and what not. So, yes, in this case all Turks, whether initially pro or anti FSA policy of Erdogan, are against the current west's policies. It has reveled that the west only cares about itself and is willing to sacrifice Turkey as 'the boogeyman' to the media in order to to hide their own failures. With such allies you dont have to search for enemies.
We shall see, maybe Turkey will be dragged in, maybe it will come out stronger, much to the dissapointment of certain people
You are finally the first Turkish member on here who has finally admitted that Turkey indeed made mistake in its involvement in Syria(though im not sure your other Turkish brothers will be happy with you on this though.lol)
But some of your nationalistic Turkish brothers seem to think Turkey government/politicans are Unique/special and can do no mistake.lol They indeed did a huge mistake by getting incolve in the syrian civil war/conflict only a naive person will think otherwise. You said our governments indecisive actions against Assad screw up the country/region, well what would you have wanted us to do? Topple Assad for Turkey isn't it? As i said doing so wouldnt have changed much, it will have been the same like Libya today, but only far more worse, with no central government and militias/jihadists/islamist/foreign fighters/powers battling each other for supremacy in the country, i.e yes a failed state. Its always 100 times better to have a central government(even a dictatorial one) than no government at all, especially when the alternative is far far worse as its the case with Syrians 'rebels' alias jihadists/islamic fighters Al nusra front etc.
As i said, if Turkey(Erdogan) wants Assad to go(since he thinks Turkey is some kind of super power , to tell a sovereign country which president it needs.lool), then he should go and do it himself, not counting on MASTER U.S.A as always, because that wont happen, so he better shut up with all due respect..
So you are more inclined towards an India closer to the U.S/western block? Good to know, it will be in India's interests to be more inclined towards us than towards Russia or China. Since we can offer India more than the above 2 and our interests match for now.
we can write as much as we want. Our situation is clear; involvement or not, Turkey would have felt consequences. It would be so naive to believe isis and pkk/pyd would leave us alone while all this mess is happening right at our border. Supporting FSA might have been a mistake, but we have our own reasons for hating the Assad family. It's not like only the west has its interests or that Turkey's interest have to be in line with that of the west. Turks here are divided about openly supporting FSA and frequently criticize the govt. the 'blind nationalist Turks' card seems to be used whenever Turks stand up for their right and injustice, in that case i'm one too. isis can't occupy Turkey, simply because they dont have the tools (big portion of oppressed sunnis for manpower like in Iraq, no power vacuum in Turkey, technological disadvantage etc) and chances like they do in Iraq and Syria. Tbh, if isis invades Turkey, the place where they will be able to find some support will be the SE among the conservative Kurds, which will lead to civil war between Kurdish factions, just like during the latest protests in the SE of Turkey where pkk and Huda Par (conservative muslims, anti isis though) were killing each other. I simply dont see the average Turk supporting isis, unless forced or something. Before you mention Turks cheering on isis here, it's simply a matter of enemies killing each other, no serious support. Only thing they will be able to do is some small insurgency of brainwashed goons here and there and suicide bombings.Well at least we seem to be making some progress.
Well if you have been following my comments on here, you will know i tend to say things the way they are, I acknowledged in several of my coments on here that,m our governments indeed have been wrong on several actions they took in the middle east/Africa, and i know they are also hypocrites, but then again all politicians are hypocrites/liars, if you are not one then you cant be a politician in the first place.
As i said, you cant compare our actions/policies with that of Turkey, we are not a middle eastern Country and we dont border any of the countries in the region, so of course our policies/objectives will always be different to that of Turkey who is a middle eastern country and neighbour of Syria, iraq and the like. So you cant expect your actions/policies to be same like ours, since if any instability in the region occurs, you will be the first to suffer from it(just like Pakistan found out with the Taliban in afghanistan years later). Thats why i said, Turkey being a neighbouring country to Syria shouldnt have got itself involved in this or choose sides. And what surprises me is that emperor Erdogan seems to not have learned anything from hsi mistakes, hes still insistsing on carryingon his senseless policies in Syria by calling for Assadto go,. since according to him Assad is a dictator.lool Does he even knows what he's talking about? There are lots of countries in the middle east who have more worse dictators in power the 1st of which is Saudi wahabi Arabia and other gulf monarchies, why doesnt he call on them to step down? he is indeed acting like a clown at times.
we can write as much as we want. Our situation is clear; involvement or not, Turkey would have felt consequences. It would be so naive to believe isis and pkk/pyd would leave us alone while all this mess is happening right at our border. Supporting FSA might have been a mistake, but we have our own reasons for hating the Assad family. It's not like only the west has its interests or that Turkey's interest have to be in line with that of the west. Turks here are divided about openly supporting FSA and frequently criticize the govt. the 'blind nationalist Turks' card seems to be used whenever Turks stand up for their right and injustice, in that case i'm one too. isis can't occupy Turkey, simply because they dont have the tools (big portion of oppressed sunnis for manpower like in Iraq, no power vacuum in Turkey, technological disadvantage etc) and chances like they do in Iraq and Syria. Tbh, if isis invades Turkey, the place where they will be able to find some support will be the SE among the conservative Kurds, which will lead to civil war between Kurdish factions, just like during the latest protests in the SE of Turkey where pkk and Huda Par (conservative muslims, anti isis though) were killing each other. I simply dont see the average Turk supporting isis, unless forced or something. Before you mention Turks cheering on isis here, it's simply a matter of enemies killing each other, no serious support. Only thing they will be able to do is some small insurgency of brainwashed goons here and there and suicide bombings.
Anyway Turkey has experienced all of this and even worse before due pkk, dhkp-c, asala etc. Turkey invading and mopping up isis actively in north syria and north iraq while Syrians and Iraqi press from the south is perhaps the least isis will want. As a Turk, whos country has suffered from terrorism so i know Turkey's condition and capabilities better than you, i find your ideas too exaggerated. Thank you for worrying though. if you still go on and believe that Turkey will end up like Syria or Iraq, dont hold your breath
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This news is phucking enraging me. Why are we sending arms to PYD/PKK terrorists who are committing genocide on Turkmen and Arab families that don't want to help YPG?Theres only one group that recieved Turkish help in Syria which is pyd, keep posting those BS articles, doesnt change the reality.
Barzani says Turkey sent arms to KRG, PYD members treated in Turkey
I agree, but we mustn't under-estimate Putin Did you notice that as soon Ukraine crisis happened, Russia increased their activities in the Baltic? NATO is just now trying to counter that using Poland and Canada and This Cold war is different because there are a lot of battle fronts open around NATO and Russia. it will lead to WW3 eventually because the Heat is on all over the world.good analysis... world war 3 would indeed have started in 2013 if nato would have carried out their invasion threat... but russia intervened in the way you describe.
but i am disappointed that russian warships are not continuously stationed off tartus port and russian soldiers are not helping syrian army... if the soviet union had still existed they would have done so...
Yeah its been in the news recently over the whole Sweden Sub-marine scandal. Because Canada also Borders Russia in the Arctic.
Libya was the Richest state in Africa under Gaddaffi, but Libya needed democracy so badly and so what If the country has collapsed, Democracy won. This is the same "Democracy" that Mahatma Nawaz Shareef is trying to protect at the cost of others' lives.
