ISI, RAW must stop confrontation: Musharraf

[Contrarian]

Who gives Musharraf the authority to lecture on the attitudinal change India needs to do WHEN he was the man who masterminded,initiated and executed the Kargil incursion?

Maybe he ought to have known this when he was planning his invasion.

Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, considered the architect of the 1999 Kargil war, has warned that there could be more such conflicts if the “key dispute” and “sore point” Kashmir remains unresolved for long.

The retired Army General, who ruled Pakistan for nine years till last August after seizing power in a bloodless coup, acknowledged that there are a "lots of 'mujahideen' in Pakistani society" and "freelance jehadis" who have "emotional involvement" with the cause of Kashmiris.

Playing a peacenik as he faced a barrage of uncomfortable questions from a combative audience at a media event in New Delhi last night, he said the leaderships of the two countries need to take “bold” and “affirmative” decisions to address the core dispute of Kashmir.

He said India and Pakistan have caused "immense" damage to each other over the past six decades and they needed to “overcome the burden of history” and move towards peaceful relations by adopting realistic approach to addressing disputes.

During the marathon three-hour long interaction, he appeared agitated at times by the questions which touched issues like why terrorism continues to emanate from Pakistan, why Kargil happened, why Dawood Ibrahim is not being handed over and whether India can trust Pakistani army and ISI.

Noting that he was expecting "hostile" questions at the event considering the new chill in Indo-Pak relations, he deflected and ducked the tough ones, including the one about reason behind the Kargil aggression if he had wanted peace.

"It is a sensitive issue, I will not comment on it," said the then Army Chief, who was behind the Kargil aggression, when Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh asked as to why Pakistan indulged in such an act if he was for peace.

Singh was reminding Musharraf that the Kargil aggression by Pakistan occurred soon after the then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee undertook a peace bus ride to Lahore.

"Yeh usi cheez (Kashmir issue) ki kadi hai aur chalti jayegi (It is part of the same chain and will continue). If the problem (of Kashmir) continues, there will be more Kargils,” Musharraf said.

He said he had already explained his position on Kargil issue in his book -- ‘In the Line of Fire´.

"Kashmir remains a key dispute and sore point," he maintained. He recalled that when he was at the helm of affairs in Pakistan he had proposed four-point formula to resolve the issue and it had helped.

Suggesting that Kashmir problem was the main reason for terrorism in India, he said Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad came into being “because of sympathies” in Pakistan for the people of Kashmir.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...+Kashmir+remains+unresolved%3a+Musharraf+

 

[zombie:-)]

Who gives Musharraf the authority to lecture on the attitudinal change India needs to do WHEN he was the man who masterminded,initiated and executed the Kargil incursion?

Maybe he ought to have known this when he was planning his invasion.

people dont practice what they preach

 

[Beskar]

people dont practice what they preach

Back then Musharraf was simply a General, Leading the army. He's come a long way and he probably has more political experience than the current Indian government combined. that gives him the right to voice his opinions just as much as anyone else. At least he's not preaching "War Hysteria".

 

[godsavetheworld]

The most moving part of the session I found was when, representative of the Indian Muslims in the parliament stood up and told Musharraf as seen in this video. The message was clear. "Mr. Musharraf dont think Indian muslims need your sympathy".

 

[Beskar]

The most moving part of the session I found was when, representative of the Indian Muslims in the parliament stood up and told Musharraf as seen in this video. The message was clear. "Mr. Musharraf dont think Indian muslims need your sympathy".

ZO1sUdAdlNI[/media] - Indian Muslim to Musharraf

Where's the rest of the video? I hear that Musharraf pretty much nailed the guy with his response. It'd be better if someone uploads his response as well. Otherwise, this video was useless.

 

[Contrarian]

Back then Musharraf was simply a General, Leading the army. He's come a long way and he probably has more political experience than the current Indian government combined.

Do you know about the politicians in the Indian Cabinet even? Forget the entire govt. Do you know the political experience of these people? To say the least, the opposite of what you have said could be very much possible.

Let me put across one more point here- They have been elected, they arent forming the Govt of India because of a coup.

that gives him the right to voice his opinions just as much as anyone else. At least he's not preaching "War Hysteria".

He's preaching bull-$hit. They all do that after they are not in power, or are not in positions of power.
He ought to preach this to the rest of Pakistani Army. India has not launched an incursion for 2 decades atleast. Last I checked, he was behind the Kargil incursion.

 

[Contrarian]

Where's the rest of the video? I hear that Musharraf pretty much nailed the guy with his response. It'd be better if someone uploads his response as well. Otherwise, this video was useless.

Indeed, i would like to hear his response as well.

 

[Beskar]

He's preaching bull-. They all do that after they are not in power, or are not in positions of power.
He ought to preach this to the rest of Pakistani Army. India has not launched an incursion for 2 decades atleast. Last I checked, he was behind the Kargil incursion.

If I remember correctly, Musharraf had the guts to stand up and shake hands with an arrogant Vajpayee, refusing to hold "Peace" talks with Pakistan back in 2002.

Musharraf steals the show with Indian handshake
By Y.P. Rajesh
05 Jan 2002 15:09

KATHMANDU, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Once again, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has
upstaged Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, this time with a bold handshake.

Musharraf stole the show at a South Asia summit in Nepal on Saturday by grasping
Vajpayee's hand, undaunted by India's refusal to hold peace talks to end the two
countries' massive military build-up.

As before, India was left sore and irritated, and Vajpayee's image suffered anew.

If this isn't political brilliance and maturity, then I don't know what Is. And yet you're trying to say that throughout his presidency, he hasn't taken steps towards a "Friendly" change in Pakistan-India relations.

 

[Contrarian]

If I remember correctly, Musharraf had the guts to stand up and shake hands with an arrogant Vajpayee, refusing to hold "Peace" talks with Pakistan back in 2002.



If this isn't political brilliance and maturity, then I don't know what Is. And yet you're trying to say that throughout his presidency, he hasn't taken steps towards a "Friendly" change in Pakistan-India relations.

Oh i agree, it was political brilliance and maturity. And he did make India-Pak relations better. But during his 10 years, why did he not stop the terrorist camps in ***. Why did he leave his Eastern borders open to the retreating Taliban, why was he trying to save Taliban for a 'rainy day'.

And most importantly, why did he think he would succeed in Kargil if he is such a peacenik.

 

[Beskar]

Oh i agree, it was political brilliance and maturity. And he did make India-Pak relations better. But during his 10 years, why did he not stop the terrorist camps in ***. Why did he leave his Eastern borders open to the retreating Taliban, why was he trying to save Taliban for a 'rainy day'.

And most importantly, why did he think he would succeed in Kargil if he is such a peacenik.

This isn't the place or the thread to discuss his presidency in detail. However, I will say that Musharraf did everything he could for the sake of removing terrorist elements from the country. You're forgetting some very IMPORTANT decisions he took in that regard.

1. Removal of Nawab Akbar Bugti and his Terrorist thugs "Claiming" Baluchistan as their personal "Dowry". Funded by your beloved Government so of course, You wouldn't remember much about that clan.

2. Removing hostile uprising in Lal Masjid.

3. Banning public donation and information centres for Lashkar-e-Taiyaba.

4. As far as the rest of them are concerned, They weren't a threat for us at that time. We have a history of accepting Afghan Migrates seeking a safe home within Pakistan. Not in hundred, but in MILLIONS. If the "Taliban" sneaked into Pakistan in those times, it wasn't our fault. The home grown TTP wasn't a threat to us until "MASSIVE" foreign support started coming in to their leaders. We aren't funding them. Are you?

All in all, we ARE currently engaged in a fierce war against the Taliban and have been doing that for a long time now. That wasn't a decision of the current government. It was Musharraf's policy. Give him some credit.

 

[Beskar]

Any replies malaymishra123?

 

[Bane Blade]

I can understand what you are saying but tell me which Government in Pakistan has not been under Uncle SAM. Easy for you to say buddy you don't live in Pakistan. Running a country is not an easy job Specially a Country like Pakistan. There are a lot of things you have to give up or sacrifice to make your country safe and strong at the same time making sure not to piss someone who is 20 times bigger than you. Echo of USA was there when Zia was in Power, BiBI , Nawaz , Musharaf and now Zardari. But Zardari is Screwing the country from left right and center and that needs to be
stopped .

I would love to see no government being under uncle Sam but their is an appropriate approach to joining hands with them we should show our soveriegnty and America should respect us joining or not joining the alliance we should have debated it in Parliament had a select comittee like every other country had, we never weighed our options under Musharraff being an officer of the Armed forces I respect every comment you make but I believe that Iran isn't raised to the ground despite defying America nor is Venezuela having Nuclear powers enabled us to have our own voice but I think Musharraf shunned it altogether and now by making comments like ISI,RAW must stop confrontation he sounds like evil should stop and good shall prevail he knows very well that this is the one game that will never end and I weigh these comments as worthless.

Had Nawaz been a true echo of hte US Musharraf would never have come to power.

 

[Contrarian]

This isn't the place or the thread to discuss his presidency in detail. However, I will say that Musharraf did everything he could for the sake of removing terrorist elements from the country. You're forgetting some very IMPORTANT decisions he took in that regard.

Musharraf did nothing out of the goodness of his heart of taking the right decision of stamping out all terrorists.

1. Removal of Nawab Akbar Bugti and his Terrorist thugs "Claiming" Baluchistan as their personal "Dowry". Funded by your beloved Government so of course, You wouldn't remember much about that clan.

A threat only to Pakistan.

2. Removing hostile uprising in Lal Masjid.

Same as above.

3. Banning public donation and information centres for Lashkar-e-Taiyaba.

Under threat of India-After the attack on the Parliament.

4. As far as the rest of them are concerned, They weren't a threat for us at that time. We have a history of accepting Afghan Migrates seeking a safe home within Pakistan. Not in hundred, but in MILLIONS. If the "Taliban" sneaked into Pakistan in those times, it wasn't our fault. The home grown TTP wasn't a threat to us until "MASSIVE" foreign support started coming in to their leaders. We aren't funding them. Are you?

No, India is not funding the Taliban. An inherently flawed thought. Pakistan did not just merely accept Afghan migrates, Pakistan willingly accepted the retreating Taliban. Gave them sanctuary even after repeated warnings and reminders. All this to save the Taliban for a 'rainy day' when they could be depended upon to deliver Afghanistan to Pakistan.

All in all, we ARE currently engaged in a fierce war against the Taliban and have been doing that for a long time now. That wasn't a decision of the current government. It was Musharraf's policy. Give him some credit.

Are you joking mate? Musharraf's policy? A gun was put to his and Pakistan's head by the US to fight the Taliban when US invaded, and then the gun was put to Pakistan's head when the Taliban declared war on Pakistan.

In ALL the cases, except for the terrorists threatening Pakistan, Musharraf did NOTHING to stop terrorists on his own. Pakistan has always sheltered and provided sanctuary, logistics and support for Militants who targeted India and Afghanistan.

 

[Muradk]

Oh i agree, it was political brilliance and maturity. And he did make India-Pak relations better. But during his 10 years, why did he not stop the terrorist camps in ***. Why did he leave his Eastern borders open to the retreating Taliban, why was he trying to save Taliban for a 'rainy day'.

Do you even know how big and long the Eastern boarder is? Easy for you to say.

This isn't the place or the thread to discuss his presidency in detail. However, I will say that Musharraf did everything he could for the sake of removing terrorist elements from the country. You're forgetting some very IMPORTANT decisions he took in that regard.

1. Removal of Nawab Akbar Bugti and his Terrorist thugs "Claiming" Baluchistan as their personal "Dowry". Funded by your beloved Government so of course, You wouldn't remember much about that clan.

2. Removing hostile uprising in Lal Masjid.

3. Banning public donation and information centres for Lashkar-e-Taiyaba.

4. As far as the rest of them are concerned, They weren't a threat for us at that time. We have a history of accepting Afghan Migrates seeking a safe home within Pakistan. Not in hundred, but in MILLIONS. If the "Taliban" sneaked into Pakistan in those times, it wasn't our fault. The home grown TTP wasn't a threat to us until "MASSIVE" foreign support started coming in to their leaders. We aren't funding them. Are you?

All in all, we ARE currently engaged in a fierce war against the Taliban and have been doing that for a long time now. That wasn't a decision of the current government. It was Musharraf's policy. Give him some credit.

Sir I agree with you 100% plus Most indians are still in denial that how there foreign policy works and what they are trying to achieve.

 

[Contrarian]

Oh i agree, it was political brilliance and maturity. And he did make India-Pak relations better. But during his 10 years, why did he not stop the terrorist camps in ***. Why did he leave his Eastern borders open to the retreating Taliban, why was he trying to save Taliban for a 'rainy day'.

Do you even know how big and long the Eastern boarder is? Easy for you to say.

Sir, it is not I, but US editorials and articles who have mentioned this.