Is there any supersonic / hypersonic missile being developed by Pakistan?

[Guest]

I might have to agree with you only on a few points.
A sub-sonic CM can only hide from the ground based radars. any aerostat radars/AWACS/spaced based radars can easily pickup the cords easily.Once detected,sub-snic cruise missiles can be takenoff even with an Aircraft canon fire(a kids play)

first of all, the most effective way to detect CMs is to use airships as they can work for 24/7 without refueling, but even with their help, CMs( flying at 30Ms) can only be deceted about 20-25 KMs away. because trees, building or hills reflected much stronger signal( or background noise) than a CM unless it is close enough. however, this noise can be reduced significantly if the CM is flying at 60Ms or higher.

since the poster mentioned it as a stealthy missile,
Again what kinda stealth feature it has?Radar/IR/......?

where? none of them are stealth, but the tomahawk has a engine which emited far less infrared signal than a engine that is used in a antiship missile.

with the advent of SAR on MALE and HALE UAV`s, the days of sub-sonic cruise missiles are almost over and are nearing end.
the so called sub-sonic works beyond doubt only against countries like Afghanistan,Iraq and other technologically less advanced.

why? or source?
did US or Russia or China abandoned them?

Why supersonic and hypersonic?
Because,theoretically any missile can be tracked either vis ground/space/areal radars. even an ABM radar can paint the supersonic or hypersonic CM`s on its radar ,but only when the missile is high flying with incredible RC.Even though it detects,it will have only milli-sec to respond to launch an interceptor.
And the interceptor has to be travelling with higher velocity than the CM.Unless the interceptor has high speed and long range,it cant take down the target.

Currently no one has that kind of quick response and high speed long range interceptors.And it will obviously take time to counter the supersonic CM.And will take a lot more time to counter the hypersonic CM`s.And by the time the intercepting technology matures enough,the same on CM`s will also mature.
bottom line will be,these supersonic/hypersonic CM developed today will be having no foe in the foreseeable future.

after reading your comment, i suppose you don't konw how an anti-CM system works. electromagnetic or infrared detecters will be deployed at all the possible routes which will be extended to as far as 80-100KM from the protected zone. so interceptors( missiles, cannonballs, bullets or laser beams) can be fired before it's own sensors can detect the incoming missile.


oh, btw. do you konw how much weight it will gain to make a subsonic missile to fly at supersonic velocity. Brahmos is twice heavier than tomahawk, yet it's operational range is only 1/8 of that of tomahawk.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

first of all, the most effective way to detect CMs is to use airships as they can work for 24/7 without refueling, but even with their help, CMs( flying at 30Ms) can only be deceted about 20-25 KMs away. because trees, building or hills reflected much stronger signal( or background noise) than a CM unless it is close enough. however, this noise can be reduced significantly if the CM is flying at 60Ms or higher.

Instead of jumping fast to type few scrambled words,you should have bought sometime to read my reply.I did mentioned Aerostat`s
Ohhh sorry.you might not have heard of it so far.They have been in use for a long time.
And this particular reply clearly depicts ur knowledge of radar technology and signal processing. there have been few algorithms to eliminate the unwanted clutter.(clutter due to the trees,crosswinds,dusts,.......)Practically,one can design a radar to a specific use.Does it matter for an airborne radar optimally designed if the cruise missile is flying at 30m or 60m?

where? none of them are stealth, but the tomahawk has a engine which emited far less infrared signal than a engine that is used in a antiship missile.

I am not talking about tomahawk again.I am talking abt the so called stealthy babur CM which an ordinary pakistani boasts about.


why? or source?
did US or Russia or China abandoned them?

I dont have enough time to care about other countries and what types they deployed.I only care about India.And Israel does produces SAR radars for UAV`s which India buys.period Take ur own time and do some googling about Israeli defence products.If US/Russi/chena dont publish them doesnt et all mean India doesnt have one.



after reading your comment, i suppose you don't konw how an anti-CM system works. electromagnetic or infrared detecters will be deployed at all the possible routes which will be extended to as far as 80-100KM from the protected zone. so interceptors( missiles, cannonballs, bullets or laser beams) can be fired before it's own sensors can detect the incoming missile.
hahaha......talking a person who works on EM waves about the technology?Ur highness may I know what those EM detectors are called as in technical terms? And do take your own time to google about the easiest way to blind an EM wave.
If any country has to follow ur words regarding the so called Anti-CM system, then they have to deploy the so called sensors stated by you all over their land mass. Since you seem to be a person of exceptional knowledge in the CM field,may I ask you a small and minute thing regarding the CM which use the terrain hugging tech?
If a CM is known to throw its weight at a distance of 1000km ,what will be its actual range when it travels using the terrain hugging principle?
Ohhh come out of the fantasy of canon balls and laser beams.Talk with me while considering the current available technology.And tell me if you have anything else under ur sleeves.


oh, btw. do you konw how much weight it will gain to make a subsonic missile to fly at supersonic velocity. Brahmos is twice heavier than tomahawk, yet it's operational range is only 1/8 of that of tomahawk.
Isnt it ur projection of ignorance? If you want a sustained supersonic flight you gotta have to go with RAMjet tech.And the current sub-sonics use the turbo jet.Ooooooops dont ask me to distinguish btw ramjet and turbojet.I cant spend my time educating an uneducated. Drink a glass of water before knowing the actual range lo-lo of a Brahmos LACM/AShM is over 550km.Since the MTCR dont allow russia to co-develop a missile with more than 300km range they got with a new strategy of involving an 'S' curve during its flight path.And the strike range differs depending on the opponent capabilities.If it has to be against US,its range will be no greater than 300km since it has to employ all kind of cruel tactics.And if the opponent is Pakistan/china then the actual range will be no less than 550km.And for a Ramjet powered the above range is times better .

now every thing is clear kid?

 

[graphican]

In my opinion, Super Sonic Cruise Missile is more of a psychological threat instead of an operational one. A missile, whether sub-sonic or super-sonic has capacity to deliver conventional and nuclear warheads. No matter at which speed it travels, end result is same BUT it is comparatively easier to neutralize a sub-sonic CMs than super-sonic one . When the incoming subject is traveling at an immense speed, it will be harder to neutralize it, even if it is detected 100KM away.

Pakistan doesn't have any missile defense system in operation so we are under threat even from Ballistic Missiles. when we are nevertheless exposed, we are not more threatened by super-sonic or hypersonic missiles.

Pakistan's defense philosophy is not to duck under defensive shields and neutralize any attempt of aggression on it, but our security comes from the fact that we would not let our attacker survive either.

 

[Peshwa]

Pakistan's defense philosophy is not to duck under defensive shields and neutralize any attempt of aggression on it, but our security comes from the fact that we would not let our attacker survive either.[/QUOTE]

I really havent laughed this hard in a while.....

The flawed and inflated sense of "ability" among some members here really amuses me.....

 

[fhassan]

I really havent laughed this hard in a while.....

The flawed and inflated sense of "ability" among some members here really amuses me.....

What in particular amused you so sir?

The individual you quoted alluded to Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD for short.

The only reason India and Pakistan have not waged war is because neither of them seeks annihilation.

Once again, what in particular made you laugh?

 

[Enigma SIG]

I really havent laughed this hard in a while.....

The flawed and inflated sense of "ability" among some members here really amuses me.....

The inflated sense of "ability" of the indians also amuses me
India sending a barrage of cruise missiles and expecting nothing in return priceless...

 

[Haanzo]

First make your brahmos operational

for your kind information it is already operational ...stop dreaming

 

[R.A.W.]

The inflated sense of "ability" of the indians also amuses me
India sending a barrage of cruise missiles and expecting nothing in return priceless...

being true yesssssssssss

we will take out your arsenal first they will use them

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Even if Hypothetically India Nukes all of Pakistan the Nuclear fall out will be mixed in the clouds and atmosphere and the effects will cause cancer and death all over India for 10-20 years...

Specially since Moonsoon weather transports all of the air all over the region quite fast.



But Pakistan can take out 60% of india in frist striker, and if China helps we can get 96% of India in first strike from weat and east side ...


I don't evision that out come will ever happen , or lets hope it never does

... the remaining 1% survivers would live like , extinct spices, and most likely other countries will occupy em .. with in 1-2 years

 

[Guest]

Instead of jumping fast to type few scrambled words,you should have bought sometime to read my reply.I did mentioned Aerostat`s
Ohhh sorry.you might not have heard of it so far.They have been in use for a long time.
And this particular reply clearly depicts ur knowledge of radar technology and signal processing. there have been few algorithms to eliminate the unwanted clutter.(clutter due to the trees,crosswinds,dusts,.......)Practically,one can design a radar to a specific use.Does it matter for an airborne radar optimally designed if the cruise missile is flying at 30m or 60m?

yes, it does. an airship is not flying high in the sky like AWACS, it usually hover below 50Ms( the lower the better unless it is blocked by obstacles). so if the airship was flying at 20-30Ms, it will be easier for it to detect the targets. because it is looking up and the sky do not reflects EM waves like trees.

hahaha......talking a person who works on EM waves about the technology?Ur highness may I know what those EM detectors are called as in technical terms? And do take your own time to google about the easiest way to blind an EM wave.

i was major in commulnication technology and have spent 7 years learning in university, and now, i am working at a communication institute that makes radioes. so although i don't know the radar terms, i know exactly how difficlut is it to cope with background noise. but i don't know what do you mean "to blind an EM wave", no ideas at all.

If any country has to follow ur words regarding the so called Anti-CM system, then they have to deploy the so called sensors stated by you all over their land mass.

generally speaking, there will be 2-4 routes that will be used by a CM, so you don't have to deploy them "all over their land mass". and 2-3 airships would be enough for each route to cover 80-100KMs

Since you seem to be a person of exceptional knowledge in the CM field,may I ask you a small and minute thing regarding the CM which use the terrain hugging tech?
If a CM is known to throw its weight at a distance of 1000km ,what will be its actual range when it travels using the terrain hugging principle?

i dont konw much about CMs, but i do know something about how to intercept CMs. because i konw someone who was in charged of the wireless commucation system of an anti-CM exercise.

Ohhh come out of the fantasy of canon balls and laser beams.Talk with me while considering the current available technology.And tell me if you have anything else under ur sleeves.

yes, cannonballs and laser beams.
a 35mm cannon can take 500 shot within a minute, and each shell can cover up to 75 squre meters(3-5 meter in radius) of the specific area when exploded. because you don't need to make a direct hit to destroy a CM completely, all you need is to damage it with a small cannonball fragment. and the CM will miss its target if it can not maintain in its course.

the laser i mentioned here is not the "star war" laser cannon nor the little toy that is used in a classrom. it was designed to blind the CM's optical or infrared seekers so as to disable the Terrain Contour Matching system. besides that, GPS signals will be blocked by all means, INS will be affected by turbulences generated by the cannonball or intercept missile explosion. if all these countermeasures worked, the CM will be blind completely.

Isnt it ur projection of ignorance? If you want a sustained supersonic flight you gotta have to go with RAMjet tech.And the current sub-sonics use the turbo jet.Ooooooops dont ask me to distinguish btw ramjet and turbojet.I cant spend my time educating an uneducated. Drink a glass of water before knowing the actual range lo-lo of a Brahmos LACM/AShM is over 550km.Since the MTCR dont allow russia to co-develop a missile with more than 300km range they got with a new strategy of involving an 'S' curve during its flight path.And the strike range differs depending on the opponent capabilities.If it has to be against US,its range will be no greater than 300km since it has to employ all kind of cruel tactics.And if the opponent is Pakistan/china then the actual range will be no less than 550km.And for a Ramjet powered the above range is times better .

i don't want to argue with you about the actual range of Brahmos here, there are lots of threads in this forum about Brahmos. my point is: supersonic CM will be larger, heavier and will has less operational range.

now every thing is clear kid?

now i have answered all you questions, really tired actually. instead of questioning all my arguments, would you mind to give me some arguments to support your claim?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Oh really ?

Is brahmos a Super dooper sonic Cruise missile or another DUD?

First make your brahmos operational then think about Hypersonic

I thought it passed the test, when the scientist pressed the launched button , the bharwa-mos missile moved a little and did a little Shack rattle n roll

Test completed .. lets go home Scientist , we will retest this step 20000 times.

 

[R.A.W.]

I thought it passed the test, when the scientist pressed the launched button , the bharwa-mos missile moved a little and did a little Shack rattle n roll

Test completed .. lets go home Scientist , we will retest this step 20000 times.

I can understand that you dont understand the meaning of Missile tests after having Made in China Painted in Pakistan missiles. It is your tests which always paas. And there is saying if all your tests pass that means you have problems with your test cases or the product has been tested against the same test cases and the defects have been fixed already. And I think that applies to all your barber blah blah missiles

 

[moha199]

Most of the members here are not worth replying so please stick to the topic Please

 

[unicorn148]

Oh really ?

Is brahmos a Super dooper sonic Cruise missile or another DUD?

First make your brahmos operational then think about Hypersonic

brahmos is already operational with the indian navy and the army they have already inducted it so do some research before saying something

 

[unicorn148]

Even if Hypothetically India Nukes all of Pakistan the Nuclear fall out will be mixed in the clouds and atmosphere and the effects will cause cancer and death all over India for 10-20 years...

Specially since Moonsoon weather transports all of the air all over the region quite fast.



But Pakistan can take out 60% of india in frist striker, and if China helps we can get 96% of India in first strike from weat and east side ...


i dont think u dont know that india has ABM tech which will shield india from any upcomming nuclear missile and it has shown 100% accuracy in its tests


I don't evision that out come will ever happen , or lets hope it never does

... the remaining 1% survivers would live like , extinct spices, and most likely other countries will occupy em .. with in 1-2 years

i dont think u dont know that india has ABM tech which will shield india from any upcomming nuclear missile and it has shown 100% accuracy in its tests where as even china doesnt have its own ABM tech it depends on s400 of russia