Is rural India angry with Modi?

[MilSpec]

Shooo....

More pertinent is what has congress being in opposition done to aid the rural India? Where is your leadership championing the cause of rural India? reserve your shoo'ing for Gandhi parrivar, that might be more productive for your party

 

[Guynextdoor2]

More pertinent is what has congress being in opposition done to aid the rural India? Where is your leadership championing the cause of rural India? reserve your shoo'ing for Gandhi parrivar, that might be more productive for your party

Shooo.......

 

[dray]

What do you want me to say to someone who thinks farmers will get '4 times market rates'? you must be smoking a lot of pot to think that will happen. goddamn clown

My goodness! You don't know a bit about the land bill, and here you are foaming in your mouth and blabbering nonsense. The compensation package is four times the market price for rural and and two times for urban land. I hope you have learned something new today, whether your brain will retain the knowledge till tomorrow morning is doubtful though.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

My goodness! You don't know a bit about the land bill, and here you are foaming in your mouth and blabbering nonsense. The compensation package is four times the market price for rural and and two times for urban land. I hope you have learned something new today, whether your brain will retain the knowledge till tomorrow morning is doubtful though.

That's why I said read the fine print you clown. This is the reason why they get so much support. people like you can be convinced by janging the jalebi.

 

[UPer]

Shooo.....

If you shoo 2 many times*, you might have to request Modi to build a toilet for you

[shoo shoo is slang equivalent of pee pee]

 

[Guynextdoor2]

My goodness! You don't know a bit about the land bill, and here you are foaming in your mouth and blabbering nonsense. The compensation package is four times the market price for rural and and two times for urban land. I hope you have learned something new today, whether your brain will retain the knowledge till tomorrow morning is doubtful though.

Lemme put you out of your misery you clown. Yeh tumse ho nahi payega. What they are calling 'market rates' are actually the Khata Rates in which you calculate your stamp duty. Because it's too complicated for your pea sized brain let me make it easy to understand. Govt has list of 'market rates' that it releases. Stamp duty is usually calculated on this. This is nowhere close to the real rates. This is why in many real estate purchases 'white money' based on these rates are calculated and the difference is paid in 'black' to the real estate guy to avoid taxation. In Bangalore Koramangala for instance, the govt estimated 'market rates' will be a fraction of the cost of the real rates. So by a blanket declation that a multiple of 'market rates' will be given to land owners they're actually paying a fraction of the price. That is something the Industry loves coz suddenly you get land at cheaper rates.

Do you see an auction provision for the 'Special category'? It's diluted isn't it? Then where's the 'market rate' coming in? DMIC is 100s of KMs long. You're mandating that for projects like that land acquisition can be made without consultation and with a fractional compensation. landowners have no choice- they'll get your land without asking you at a fraction of the rate. That's why the bill is called 'anti-farmer'.

Now awaiting another ignorant rebuttal of this,

 

[UPer]

Not just shoo-shoo you are constipated as well! You are holding in too much, quick find the nearest toilet or an open field.


Just so you know this thread was practically over by page 2, post #21 from @magudi. You conveniently didn't reply to that and dragged it on.

 

[dray]

Lemme put you out of your misery you clown. Yeh tumse ho nahi payega. What they are calling 'market rates' are actually the Khata Rates in which you calculate your stamp duty. Because it's too complicated for your pea sized brain let me make it easy to understand. Govt has list of 'market rates' that it releases. Stamp duty is usually calculated on this. This is nowhere close to the real rates. This is why in many real estate purchases 'white money' based on these rates are calculated and the difference is paid in 'black' to the real estate guy to avoid taxation. In Bangalore Koramangala for instance, the govt estimated 'market rates' will be a fraction of the cost of the real rates. So by a blanket declation that a multiple of 'market rates' will be given to land owners they're actually paying a fraction of the price. That is something the Industry loves coz suddenly you get land at cheaper rates.

Do you see an auction provision for the 'Special category'? It's diluted isn't it? Then where's the 'market rate' coming in? DMIC is 100s of KMs long. You're mandating that for projects like that land acquisition can be made without consultation and with a fractional compensation. landowners have no choice- they'll get your land without asking you at a fraction of the rate. That's why the bill is called 'anti-farmer'.

Now awaiting another ignorant rebuttal of this,

What a deceitful hypocrite you are! The compensation rates are same as the previous land bill; four times the market price for rural and and two times for urban land. You didn't found to be complaining then.

And who told you that the government rates are lower than market rates? Government earns the Registration fees and Stamp duties based on that rate, and it's a significant income for the government. Government rates are actually higher than market rates in Bengal, I paid the registration fees and stamp duty for my flat at a fcuking Rs.375 psft higher rate than the developer's rate. In case your state has dubious government rates, then ask your state government to get it fixed, this is not the central government's area of jurisdiction.

The proposed land bills are not mandatory on states, all the states are free NOT to adopt it. You may not want any industry to happen in Kerala, that's fine if this is the choice of the majority people of Kerala, don't adopt the law, but what fcuking right you have to impose your will on other states and prevent them from industrializing? You guys have lost the elections pathetically, but still want the country to run on your whims, what a bunch of premium quality fcuking morons!

 

[Guynextdoor2]

What a deceitful hypocrite you are! The compensation rates are same as the previous land bill; four times the market price for rural and and two times for urban land. You didn't found to be complaining then.

And who told you that the government rates are lower than market rates? Government earns the Registration fees and Stamp duties based on that rate, and it's a significant income for the government. Government rates are actually higher than market rates in Bengal, I paid the registration fees and stamp duty for my flat at a fcuking Rs.375 psft higher rate than the developer's rate. In case your state has dubious government rates, then ask your state government to get it fixed, this is not the central government's area of jurisdiction.

The proposed land bills are not mandatory on states, all the states are free NOT to adopt it. You may not want any industry to happen in Kerala, that's fine if this is the choice of the majority people of Kerala, don't adopt the law, but what fcuking right you have to impose your will on other states and prevent them from industrializing? You guys have lost the elections pathetically, but still want the country to run on your whims, what a bunch of premium quality fcuking morons!

anyone who thinks government rates are equal to 'market rates' is really out of his mind. Bengal is probably the exception (for obvious reasons). Large part of 'blck economy' is primarily driven by this difference. You just pulled that out of your imagination. Forget that, the moment a piece of land is considered for an industrial coridoor or airport the prices shoot up. In the past this has made several landowners crorepatis overnight. There is no way a farmer can get the true value of the land if these things are not accounted. and when did I defend the previous land bill? All that I'm pointing out is that this provision which will be used EXTENSIVELY (DMIC alone will be 100s of KMs long) will screw the guys who own the tracts and is a nice way to give neat profits to corporates by reducing land rates.

And now you'll say states need not implement etc. to distract. F**ing third rate bhakt defending a stupid bill.

 

[UPer]

the moment a piece of land is considered for an industrial coridoor or airport the prices shoot up. In the past this has made several landowners crorepatis overnight. There is no way a farmer can get the true value of the land if these things are not accounted. and when did I defend the previous land bill? All that I'm pointing out is that this provision which will be used EXTENSIVELY (DMIC alone will be 100s of KMs long) will screw the guys who own the tracts and is a nice way to give neat profits to corporates by reducing land rates.

I thought you were just constipated. But I see a case of massive cognitive dissonance and bipolar disorder as well
I know you are a troll but I will give the following reply.

1. In your utopia farmer never sells land, nothing happens, he is happy living poorly, and you are happy to have saved that poor soul from evil industrialists.
2. In your dystopia evil govt grabs land from farmer at 4x the going rate, ensures mandatory employment of a member, evil industrialists become crorepati because there is a new economic corridor, surrounding land owners benefit from increased economic activity, the sky has fallen and misery abound.

Now here's few more points to ponder, all from wiki:

1. Although India has attained self-sufficiency in food staples, the productivity of Indian farms is below that of Brazil, the United States, France and other nations. Indian wheat farms, for example, produce about a third of the wheat per hectare per year compared to farms in France. Rice productivity in India was less than half that of China. Other staples productivity in India is similarly low.
2. One study suggests Indian agricultural policy should best focus on improving rural infrastructure primarily in the form of irrigation and flood control infrastructure, knowledge transfer of better yielding and more disease resistant seeds. Additionally, cold storage, hygienic food packaging and efficient modern retail to reduce waste can improve output and rural incomes.
3. The average size of land holdings is very small (less than 2 hectares) and is subject to fragmentation due to land ceiling acts, and in some cases, family disputes. Such small holdings are often over-manned, resulting in disguised unemployment and low productivity of labour. Some reports claim smallholder farming may not be cause of poor productivity, since the productivity is higher in China and many developing economies even though China smallholder farmers constitute over 97% of its farming population. Chinese smallholder farmer is able to rent his land to larger farmers, China's organised retail and extensive Chinese highways are able to provide the incentive and infrastructure necessary to its farmers for sharp increases in farm productivity.

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

What a deceitful hypocrite you are!

Keep your mouth shut, heathen Sanghi.

Reverend Anil Nair is a warrior of Jesus who wants to bring light of Christianity to you cursed devil worshiping heathens.He can never be a hypocrite. He always fights for Jesus. He does not care what your heathen logic states.


Bow down to him for that!!

 

[CorporateAffairs]

#Presstitutes write whatever they want. Dont bother.

 

[dray]

anyone who thinks government rates are equal to 'market rates' is really out of his mind. Bengal is probably the exception (for obvious reasons). Large part of 'blck economy' is primarily driven by this difference. You just pulled that out of your imagination. Forget that, the moment a piece of land is considered for an industrial coridoor or airport the prices shoot up. In the past this has made several landowners crorepatis overnight. There is no way a farmer can get the true value of the land if these things are not accounted. and when did I defend the previous land bill? All that I'm pointing out is that this provision which will be used EXTENSIVELY (DMIC alone will be 100s of KMs long) will screw the guys who own the tracts and is a nice way to give neat profits to corporates by reducing land rates.

And now you'll say states need not implement etc. to distract. F**ing third rate bhakt defending a stupid bill.

Successive WB state govts. have done this one thing intelligently, they have reviewed the municipality rates of land with market prices roughly on a quarterly basis and kept the rates at par with the market price, or more as in Kolkata. Black money is still involved to evade income tax, but people can't cheat government on registration fee and stamp duty, since these are taken on municipality/corporation rates. If other states don't follow this policy, then they should pick it up from Bengal instead of following Bengal's other stupid policies that your kinds seem to like so much. AND, frequently reviewing the land prices is states' job, central govt. can't do this for you. Don't pass on state govts. faults on the central govt.

Second, farmers will get 4 times the land price, this is to cover the future price hike due to new industries. This also shows how new industries bring prosperity to a place.

Lastly, I repeat, the law is not mandatory on states, if the Congress ruled states don't want the law, fine, but how the hell they prevent other willing states from having that law? Why do you care if any other state wants a industrial corridor?

It is because of such pathetic policies that Congress has been stripped in the last election, now they want to force their regressive policies on a BJP govt., simply pathetic. And simply pathetic are their bootlickers.

Shameless.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Successive WB state govts. have done this one thing intelligently, they have reviewed the municipality rates of land with market prices roughly on a quarterly basis and kept the rates at par with the market price, or more as in Kolkata. Black money is still involved to evade income tax, but people can't cheat government on registration fee and stamp duty, since these are taken on municipality/corporation rates. If other states don't follow this policy, then they should pick it up from Bengal instead of following Bengal's other stupid policies that your kinds seem to like so much. AND, frequently reviewing the land prices is states' job, central govt. can't do this for you. Don't pass on state govts. faults on the central govt.

Second, farmers will get 4 times the land price, this is to cover the future price hike due to new industries. This also shows how new industries bring prosperity to a place.

Lastly, I repeat, the law is not mandatory on states, if the Congress ruled states don't want the law, fine, but how the hell they prevent other willing states from having that law? Why do you care if any other state wants a industrial corridor?

It is because of such pathetic policies that Congress has been stripped in the last election, now they want to force their regressive policies on a BJP govt., simply pathetic. And simply pathetic are their bootlickers.

Shameless.

The stupidity of this bill cannot be linked to anything the congress did. Again you're just pulling stuff out of hot air. 'West Bengal government keeps good khata records so land deal should be passed'. No state in the country has records that give an accurate picture of the actual rates and in most records are updated only once every few years. And when land is in demand the losses for the farmers are even higher. Your rants are ignorant. Yeah, my a$$ the Bengal govt keeps records that give 'true picture' of real estate at any given point of time. The argument is simple- if the land is in demand, then industry pay in cash or in other ways to match the demand. Using these kinds of loopholes to get large tracts of land on the cheap is not done.

 

[deckingraj]

anyone who thinks government rates are equal to 'market rates' is really out of his mind. Bengal is probably the exception (for obvious reasons). Large part of 'blck economy' is primarily driven by this difference. You just pulled that out of your imagination. Forget that, the moment a piece of land is considered for an industrial coridoor or airport the prices shoot up. In the past this has made several landowners crorepatis overnight. There is no way a farmer can get the true value of the land if these things are not accounted. and when did I defend the previous land bill? All that I'm pointing out is that this provision which will be used EXTENSIVELY (DMIC alone will be 100s of KMs long) will screw the guys who own the tracts and is a nice way to give neat profits to corporates by reducing land rates.

And now you'll say states need not implement etc. to distract. F**ing third rate bhakt defending a stupid bill.

You need to check that buddy...there is a concept called circle rate...I wanted to buy a flat and was dumbfounded when i got to know that circle rate was more than BSP rate of developer.....Actually this move has been done to curb black money...people used to register property at a much lower rate to reduce stamp duty, however now stamp duty is not calculated(atleast what i have got from my transaction) on what price you buy...that's another thing that this move has failed in curbing black money in real estate


Here's a link...
Understanding the role of circle rates - Livemint

In short the onus is actually on states. They are farmer friendly then they need to make sure circle rates are relevant...no??