What's new

Is Pakistan Too Big to Fail?

RiazHaq

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Oct 31, 2009
Messages
6,611
Reaction score
70
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
The phrase "too big to fail" has gained currency in the United States to describe large and troubled financial institutions since the beginning of the banking crisis last year. The characteristics of such institutions include their large size and huge impact on the rest of the US banking system and the global economy at large.

Seen in the context of regional and global geopolitics, are there any parallels between the the large US banks and the Pakistani state? Let's examine this proposition in a little more depth.

Large Size:

In terms of its size, Pakistan is one of the largest countries in the world. With population exceeding 170 million, it is one of only eight nations armed with nuclear weapons. The nation ranks as sixth largest in population, seventh largest in its army size, 8th in number of mobile phone users, 10th in educated English speaking population, 10th in labor force size, 17th largest in number of Internet users, 26th in economy and 34th in land area.

Strategic Location:

Pakistan sits at the entrance to the oil rich Persian Gulf, and it shares borders with Afghanistan, Iran and the world's most population nuclear states of China and India. Pakistan's Gwadar port is only 180 nautical miles from the exit of the Straits of Hormuz, considered extremely important for the flow of the bulk of world's demand for oil transportation from the Gulf nations. It provides convenient access to sea routes for many of the landlocked mineral-rich Central Asian states and Western China.

Pakistan has a 650-mile long coastline on the Arabian Sea, extending from India to Iran. In addition, some of the air routes between west and east pass through Pakistan because of its central location. Karachi and Gawadar are natural harbor ports serving as trading and re-fueling stops for ships.

Major Failures:

Not unlike the troubled US banks facing the prospect of certain failure, Pakistan also shows up at number 10 on the failed state index compiled by Fund for Peace and Foreign Policy magazine in 2008. However, in spite of the disastrous political leadership and extremely poor governance, the country’s saving grace is arguably its people. As the consequences sink in among Pakistan’s secular elite of the rising Taliban, there are signs that the country’s educated class – in Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi, cities rocked recently by continuing terrorist attacks – is losing its patience with radicalism. They have now compelled the government into taking more decisive action.

Anger and Distrust:

Just like the US bankers who are getting bailed out at US taxpayers' expense, Pakistanis do not trust Uncle Sam, either. But, in spite of the widespread and deep distrust of the United States, the latest polls now indicate that 86 percent of Pakistanis agree that Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants pose a problem for Pakistan and more than two-thirds support a recent Pakistani army offensive against the extremists. Just as many US taxpayers are unhappy with the massive bailout of the US financial services, there is popular opposition to bailing out many troubled nations around the world. Just as people say that US bankers should have to pay for their own failures, there is a strong feeling that nations who have misbehaved should be made to pay for their mistakes.

Consequences of Failure:

The fear of contagion triggering national and global economic collapse was the chief reason why the US acted swiftly and decisively to prop up the failing financial institutions on Wall Street last year. The same "contagion" logic applies to Pakistan's potential failure which can lead to catastrophic consequences for Asia, the Middle East and the rest of the world, and seriously hurt American economy and strategic interests. If a nuclear-armed nation of 170 million people with a large military falls, then the millions of Pakistanis armed and trained to fight could spread out into the neighboring nations and beyond. This could be highly destabilizing and extremely dangerous for the global peace and prosperity.

Rewards of Success:

If Pakistanis, Americans, Europeans and the world make a commitment and do succeed in helping to bring peace and stability to Pakistan, then there can be an expectation of a significant upside for all. A peaceful, stable, and prosperous Pakistan has a lot to offer in terms of a large well-educated, English speaking work force, a huge market opportunity for all sorts of products and services, and tremendous potential for global economic growth.

There is no guarantee of success if the world does make a serious commitment and starts making a long term investment in helping Pakistan, but failure is definitely not an option.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings: Is Pakistan Too Big to Fail?

Haq's Musings: Story of Fear, Greed and Bailout on Wall Street

Haq's Musings: Jinnah's Pakistan Booms Amidst Doom and Gloom
 
Last edited:
Pakistan may fall but it rise up again. The country may break up into pieces, but it will reunite. That is my view of Pakistanis - the corruption will tear the country apart, but the love and loyalty will mend it together. Pakistan is a reality into the foreseeable future. Just look at Vietnam for inspiration: US-France-Europe-Israel tried for several hundred years to tear it apart, to divide the people against each other, but today the nation is one of the most united I have ever witnessed!
 
Rewards of Success:

If Pakistanis, Americans, Europeans and the world make a commitment and do succeed in helping to bring peace and stability to Pakistan, then there can be an expectation of a significant upside for all. A peaceful, stable, and prosperous Pakistan has a lot to offer in terms of a large English speaking work force, a huge market opportunity for all sorts of products and services, and tremendous potential for global economic growth.

Indeed these rewards are great and are world-wide. The first thing will be that Pakistan becomes safe and peaceful the whole world can be so. Secondly, it is a potential market for imports and exports, but because of the present situation foreign investment is a dream. But I am sure once things get fine we will be set on course to success and development.

There is no guarantee of success if the world does make a serious commitment and starts making a long term investment in helping Pakistan, but failure is definitely not an option.

I think the lives of the martyrs guarantee success and indeed failure isn't an option.

KIT Over
 
Pakistan is too big to fail without catastrophic global consequences in the short to medium term. It's too chaotic to simply fizzle out over a long period.
Conclusion? Every country has a stake in Pakistan's future.. to ensure that it does not fail.
The danger is that if Pakistanis cannot set their own house in order, someone else will attempt to do it for them.
 
The danger is that if Pakistanis cannot set their own house in order, someone else will attempt to do it for them.

I guess you don't need to worry about that. We can take a very good care of our country. You take care of yours own.

KIT Over
 
No country is too big not to fail.

Sometimes large size coupled with poor administration, finances, fissiparous tendencies , absence of transparent functional institutions added by bad polices leads nations to implode.

The USSR is an example.
 
Pakistan may fall but it rise up again. The country may break up into pieces, but it will reunite. That is my view of Pakistanis - the corruption will tear the country apart, but the love and loyalty will mend it together. Pakistan is a reality into the foreseeable future. Just look at Vietnam for inspiration: US-France-Europe-Israel tried for several hundred years to tear it apart, to divide the people against each other, but today the nation is one of the most united I have ever witnessed!

Wish you best of luck.... still waiting for reunification for Bangladesh and Pakistan. May be things are not a simple once the country gets broken.
 
countries do no fail because of the its size or people...it fails because of its failed policies, political entropy, directionless approach, absense of longterm vision .....pakistan has got good mix of these ingredients...we wait to see whether pakistan changes both these policies....or else we wait for the armageddon
 
Wish you best of luck.... still waiting for reunification for Bangladesh and Pakistan. May be things are not a simple once the country gets broken.

There was no way in hell pakistan and bangladesh was ever going to be a same country divided by another in between it was nonsense to beggin with but if you are waiting for reunification may i suggest you buy some stocks in pan am air lines they went bankrupt long time ago but you might be able to make some money out of them as soon as they make it back.:blah::blah:
 
third eye:" ...The USSR is an example. "

Bg nations, even empires have failed. But there were the consequences of failure for each for the world.

The US and the world were on edge when USSR fell, worrying about the nukes. Massive assistance was provided by US and Europe to stabilize Russia and secure the nukes. Russia became the largest recipient of US and European aid in 1990s.

The fall of the Roman Empire led to a long period of anarchy in Europe called the Dark Ages that lasted over a thousand years.

The Fall of Mughal empire devastated India and it is still reeling from extreme poverty, hunger and deprivation. The pre-British, early 19th century Moghul India, described as caste-ridden, feudalistic and unmodern, was economically ahead of the rest of the world,including Britain and the US, according to S. Gururmurthy, a popular Indian columnist. The Indian economy contributed 19 per cent of the world GDP in 1830, and 18 per cent of global trade, when the share of Britain was 8 per cent in production and 9 per cent in trade, and that of US, 2 per cent in production and 1 per cent in trade. India had hundreds of thousands of village schools and had a functional literacy rate of over 30 per cent.

So even when the world was not as globalized and interconnected, there were still severe consequences of the fall of big nations.

Same with the analogy of the US failure in saving banks that led to the great depression of the 1930s. That's why the US acted quickly to save banks considered "too big to fail" last year.
 
Pakistan may have the 6th largest POPULATION in the world but Pakistan as a country is not that big.

Pakistan is the 36th largest country. India is the 7th largest country and guess what, Russia is still the largest country on earth even after the break up of Soviet Union.

Pakistan's population is almost 180 million (the 6th largest population in the world) but Pakistan is only the 36th largest country by total area.

List of countries and outlying territories by total area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Brothers "too big to fail" are failed in terms of almost everything...
American banks which they considered "too big to fail" are not failed because of artificial money. The bailout George Bush and Obama administration which was around $800b is not their money....they actually printed most of it without any solid back...
If they did not print money their banks were already failed...
Now see the countries/empires....
Alexander.....British empire...French...Mughal Empire...Khilafat-a-Usmani....USSR....
They were too big so they had to fail...
It’s a natural law...

Trust me nothing remains the same....
U.S has to move....most probably towards shrinking....
People come and go...
Empires come and go...

For God everything is same...people or empires...ants or rabbits...
dogs or cats....Muslims or Hindus....
One who does good things and believe in what He the Creator says is more superior than others in terms of their gains from God...you can name anything....

Pakistan is not too big to fail

I agree their are more bad days to follow but it will not shrink forever



:pakistan:
 
Omar:" Pakistan may have the 6th largest POPULATION in the world but Pakistan as a country is not that big."

You have a strange definition of "big" in the context of "too big to fail".

The land area is of little significance..just look at the European nations of UK, France, Germany etc. None of them have large territories.

Now, please read the following again in this new light I shed for you:

Large Size:

In terms of its size, Pakistan is one of the largest countries in the world. With population exceeding 170 million, it is one of only eight nations armed with nuclear weapons. The nation ranks as sixth largest in population, seventh largest in its army size, 8th in number of mobile phone users, 10th in educated English speaking population, 10th in labor force size, 17th largest in number of Internet users, 26th in economy and 34th in land area.

Strategic Location:

Pakistan sits at the entrance to the oil rich Persian Gulf, and it shares borders with Afghanistan, Iran and the world's most population nuclear states of China and India. Pakistan's Gwadar port is only 180 nautical miles from the exit of the Straits of Hormuz, considered extremely important for the flow of the bulk of world's demand for oil transportation from the Gulf nations. It provides convenient access to sea routes for many of the landlocked mineral-rich Central Asian states and Western China.

Pakistan has a 650-mile long coastline on the Arabian Sea, extending from India to Iran. In addition, some of the air routes between west and east pass through Pakistan because of its central location. Karachi and Gawadar have natural harbor ports serving as trading and re-fueling stop for ships.

Rewards of Success:

If Pakistanis, Americans, Europeans and the world make a commitment and do succeed in helping to bring peace and stability to Pakistan, then there can be an expectation of a significant upside for all. A peaceful, stable, and prosperous Pakistan has a lot to offer in terms of a large, well-educated, English speaking work force, a huge market opportunity for all sorts of products and services, and tremendous potential for global economic growth.

Haq's Musings: Is Pakistan Too Big to Fail?
 
Omar:" Pakistan may have the 6th largest POPULATION in the world but Pakistan as a country is not that big."

You have a strange definition of "big" in the context of "too big to fail".

The land area is of little significance..just look at the European nations of UK, France, Germany etc. None of them have large territories.

Now, please read the following again in this new light I shed for you:

Large Size:

In terms of its size, Pakistan is one of the largest countries in the world. With population exceeding 170 million, it is one of only eight nations armed with nuclear weapons. The nation ranks as sixth largest in population, seventh largest in its army size, 8th in number of mobile phone users, 10th in educated English speaking population, 10th in labor force size, 17th largest in number of Internet users, 26th in economy and 34th in land area.

None of the European countries has such a large population like Pakistan has, all I'm saying is that Pakistan's population is so much that Pakistan cant afford to lose even an inch of its territory.
 
None of the European countries has such a large population like Pakistan has, all I'm saying is that Pakistan's population is so much that Pakistan cant afford to lose even an inch of its territory.

Omar is absolutely correct. When there is more people than the land can safely sustain, the large population becomes a huge liability. Riots, communal disputes, regionalism, drugs sex alcohol and all other properties of large metropolitan areas becomes a reality. China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia have realized this truth. :agree:
 
Back
Top Bottom