Is Pakistan preparing to defend itself and china involvement

[Rahil khan]

The same Mr. Modi whom the Americans just refuse to give visa ?



Irrespective of what the AMericans want India to do.

Another 26/11 type attack and rest assured the only way for GoI to regain face would be to show fireworks on Pakistan land and airspace.

Be careful. You don't want to mess with the country which is already at war. In your dictionary, Pakistan is finished, or about to be finish, but just think about the progress and development of your country before thinking of attack on Pakistan. Let me assure you.....every thing would be in a smoke.........and that's called balance of power.

 

[Markus]

and then GOI will see flowers being showered on Indian airspace and land in return.

Only winners in such a conflict would be Americans.

I am not saying Pakistan will not do anything.

I am just pointing out that Yankees are playing no role in pushing Modi forward, instead that guy is fighting his way to the top, not only is he fighting his competitors but also his colleagues in coalition partners.

Secondly, if another major terrorist happens, what can Indian govt. do ? ....they will be left with no choice. India cant keep quiet every time.

Be careful. You don't want to mess with the country which is already at war. In your dictionary, Pakistan is finished, or about to be finish, but just think about the progress and development of your country before thinking of attack on Pakistan. Let me assure you.....every thing would be in a smoke.........and that's called balance of power.

Again, I repeat of what I wrote in the previous post.

If another 26/11 type attack happens, India will be left with no choice. You need to understand the pressure that Indian govt. will come under then, especially from the media.

 

[KRAIT]

Presence of India in Afghanistan, IAF base in Tajikistan, rapid modernization of Indian armed forces and presence of RAW agents providing support to BLA(allegedly) will put strain on already crippling economy of Pakistan.

China should equally help in reviving Pakistan's economy rather than making it powerful to counter India and access to Gulf. They did so with some projects' financing but its not enough.

Indian economy can bear massive defense expenditure while Pakistan has yet to build economic shock absorbers.

By 2020, India would have moved to next gen. in every field. IN, IAF, and IA, not with quality but with quantity too. This means Pakistan can't comprise quality to increase quantity. And to have both, you have to pay more than you desired to. Maintaining these toys is itself a big worry on its economy and India can use it by extending the strain for years during this peace time.

 

[regular]

This is where China’s ace has mattered most; a rapid modernization which will allow the PAF to field over 150 BVR capable combat aircraft in a short span of time. It will allow Pakistan to turn tables against the Indian Navy, with a capability that can effectively turn the Indian Ocean into a minefield. Pakistan and China are playing their cards wisely and the response remains to be seen. Will Pakistan’s enemies attempt to neutralize the threat before Pakistan becomes impregnable? Game, set and match.
Grande Strategy

See what happens cuz the future is mostly unpredictable when the secrecy is involved....See whats gonna happen...but the WWIII will literally finish everything on the face of the earth except whoever is kept saved by his almighty Allah/God......

 

[Yogi]

@Aeronaut
ur talking as if NM is some puppet which can be moved as per US wishes n command

NM is a person of strong belief n self respect is not someone like MMS who is nothing more than a puppet of sonia gandhi n US is in no position to control NM had he been he would have already made patch up with US
If US is not able to control a puppet like MMS whats makes u think they can control NM
Just bcoz u think he is anti islam n muslims
Then u should also remember that there has not been any major communal violence in gujarat since Godhara kand n it wasn't NM who started it although NM still rules Gujarat
U need to understand that he not someone like Bal Thakrey

 

[Ticker]

@Aeronaut
ur talking as if NM is some puppet which can be moved as per US wishes n command

NM is a person of strong belief n self respect is not someone like MMS who is nothing more than a puppet of sonia gandhi n US is in no position to control NM had he been he would have already made patch up with US
If US is not able to control a puppet like MMS whats makes u think they can control NM
Just bcoz u think he is anti islam n muslims
Then u should also remember that there has not been any major communal violence in gujarat since Godhara kand n it wasn't NM who started it although NM still rules Gujarat
U need to understand that he not someone like Bal Thakrey

Sir, it is one thing to become a brave leader by killing and burning thousands of innocent women and children, however the environment changes completely when you are faced with half a million strong and battle ready Armed Forces backed by equally strong nuclear response capability and the will to use this capability.

Yes NM is not Bal-less Tharki (as called by Bombay people). But it has to be seen if the future Indian PM ask Pakistani PM or President for a 2-3 minute window over Pakistani air space for Indian Air Force fly-over to throw some bombs in a non-inhabited area so that he could satisfy his pressurizing public sentiments.

Coercive strategy is much different than fighting a war which could result in nuclear exchange.

 

[Last Hope]

Pakistan must stop relying on China for her defenses systems. Not as in hardware but aid. Pakistan must believe that it is all alone in war, no China, no Turkey and no KSA. This way we can develop more adrenaline and determination, better ways to tackle things alone and better strategies. But if anyone else is helping, better it is.

If you want peace then always prepare for war.

Slightly wrong. If you want peace, then always maintain a strong defensive strategies, hence making others warned not to play any foul plays.

 

[Ticker]

If Pakistan is militarily strengthening itself with weapon acquisitions from China or any other country it has a right to do so. When Pakistan bought tanks from Ukraine, how did it help in Ukraine in her local/regional defence. Geopolitical interests of countries always play in their decisions to sell weapons to any country. The US at one time refused to sell F-16s to Pakistan even when Pakistan had paid for them, yet now they do.

Why is it that India doesn't buy all her weapons from the US. Because they want to have alternative choice.

Pakistan and China's geopolitical interests collude, which does not mean that in case of war Chinese will send their forces to fight alongside Pakistan. However, they sell military equipment to us, so does the US, so does many other countries.

 

[CZAR]

As an Indian I am a worried man. The Sino Pak axis is flourishing. Russia is increasingly seeing greater mileage in looking favourably at china. India's neighbours are not overtly fond of it. And history stands testament to the unreliability of the US as a partner. India needs to launch proxies into neighbouring countries (awami league for bd, raw for baloch, ltte for Lanka, etc) to handicap their ambitions of taking on India. It would be a cost effective, deniable and lethal tool to remind the neighbourhood who's top dog.

Meanwhile, for the bigger powers, the Nehruvian beliefs in neutrality need to be junked for a policy that involves greater engagement with the world powers. India needs to make some difficult choices and needs to make them fast.

 

[datalibdaz]

As an Indian I am a worried man. The Sino Pak axis is flourishing. Russia is increasingly seeing greater mileage in looking favourably at china. India's neighbours are not overtly fond of it. And history stands testament to the unreliability of the US as a partner. India needs to launch proxies into neighbouring countries (awami league for bd, raw for baloch, ltte for Lanka, etc) to handicap their ambitions of taking on India. It would be a cost effective, deniable and lethal tool to remind the neighbourhood who's top dog.

Meanwhile, for the bigger powers, the Nehruvian beliefs in neutrality need to be junked for a policy that involves greater engagement with the world powers. India needs to make some difficult choices and needs to make them fast.

RAW, Mossad, CIA have been operating inside Pakistan for 10 years now since the WoT started..But is it just their incompetence or shear bad luck that they have not achieved what they wanted. They are pouring in billions but still Pakistan is standing.It is only just because ISI is fishing out your spies agencies and always two step ahead..

 

[Ticker]

As an Indian I am a worried man. The Sino Pak axis is flourishing. Russia is increasingly seeing greater mileage in looking favourably at china. India's neighbours are not overtly fond of it. And history stands testament to the unreliability of the US as a partner. India needs to launch proxies into neighbouring countries (awami league for bd, raw for baloch, ltte for Lanka, etc) to handicap their ambitions of taking on India. It would be a cost effective, deniable and lethal tool to remind the neighbourhood who's top dog.

Meanwhile, for the bigger powers, the Nehruvian beliefs in neutrality need to be junked for a policy that involves greater engagement with the world powers. India needs to make some difficult choices and needs to make them fast.

You elucidate your point pretty well. I am not as elucidate and therefore would tend to cut-paste from another thread.

>>>>>>The Americans realize Indian inability to replace Pakistan’s strategic influence in its backyard. This also solidified the fact that the geo-politically influenced strategic pivot provided by Pakistan could not and would not be replaced by India, no matter how powerful India may be. Pakistan had withstood the challenge, no matter how weak it had been or would be. Achievement of US geo-political and geo-strategic goals therefore would become extremely difficult without co-opting Pakistan. This fact can not be overstated by citing a statement of Senator McCain (courtesy wikileaks), who while talking to David Cameron in a 2008 meeting said that, “if they (Pakistan) don’t cooperate and help us, I don’t know what we are going to do.”

Many believe that India is a regional power, yet they fail to realize the fact that its regional prowess can only be exercised against nations as small and vulnerable as Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives and Bangladesh. It has not been able to convincingly project its power potential against present day Pakistan and China and it is unlikely to happen in the future as well. US Embassy, New Delhi (courtesy wikileaks) corroborates this fact indicating that, with present Indian military capabilities, Cold Start doctrine would encounter mixed results.

US, France, UK, China and Russia etc can project their power potential because either they do not have a powerful regional threat to counter or they have enough capability to deter a regional threat and also project their capability to take care of extra-regional threats.

India cannot laterally expand its influence beyond its western borders due the existence of geo-political impediments in addition to the geographical restrictions placed by the presence of Pakistan. Expansion of its influence towards the east is impeded due to the large geographical lay of China. Myanmar can provide India with limited ability to expand towards South East Asia. She attempted to undertake such a venture but due to its internal upheaval in adjoining areas failed to take timely advantage. Chinese influence in Myanmar has in the meantime increased manifold which may limit future Indian endeavours. Therefore the only direction it may be able to expand its influence is towards the vast expanse of sea in the south.

As per the perceived US game-plan for India, garnering of a seaward influence is likely to be supported by the US and West. This fact is corroborated by increased number of Indian naval exercises with navies of US and other western nations in recent years. The plan seeks India to act as a countervailing force against China, as a milkman to sustain US economy while competing with Chinese economic progress and to stabilize regional disputes with limited force projection capability.

India may become a strong economic power and be able to generate fair bit of economic influence in all those countries which are its trading partners and may also be able to exercise fair bit of negativity against Pakistan and China in this domain. However, it’s overall power projection and generation of influence in the key regions would still remain limited unless it drastically improves relations with both Pakistan and China. It also highlights the importance of strategic nature of Pak-China relationship.>>>>>

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

RAW, Mossad, CIA have been operating inside Pakistan for 10 years now since the WoT started..But is it just their incompetence or shear bad luck that they have not achieved what they wanted. They are pouring in billions but still Pakistan is standing.It is only just because ISI is fishing out your spies agencies and always two step ahead..

Sane people may not agree with you on this! Pakistan Conditions has worsened in last 10 years!
if its all part of RAW/CIA/MOSSAD agenda like most hypocrites like you thinks, than they are doing excellent job.

ya 2 steps ahead

 

[Stumper]

The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Modi is known for anti Pakistan stance and in western mind , capitalizing on his existent hatered for Islam and Pakistan , he can be made to do what MMS hasn't been able to.

Let me correct you. Mr.Modi never was a Darling with the west. Never. Time and again they have snubbed him -- refusing him Visa.

You can charge him for being a Pak hater. But hatred for Muslims ... No ... he is opportunist thug, who saw an life time opportunity of cementing his rule by walking on the bodies of riot victims.

So , if you really want to wonder ... here is some thought.

This protector of Hindu Faith, this crusader against Islam, now a days talks about harmony, makes public appearance with muslim community members, even meets delegation from Pakistan!.

Mr.Modi is one smart person. He has set his vision high ... very very high indeed.

 

[Darth Vader]

Welll China always helped Pakistan and well u can call it best bodies
both when they were born they both of then knew that they will need each other in future more then even so whts wrong in helping ur best body as much as u can

Now we are not living in a dream world were war its not possible when u can think we have atom bomb we cant fight
but their are some other guys 2 who thinks we have nuclear bomb we better fight now its not a myth when Israel destroyed nuclear reactor of Iraq and and israel and india try 2 do so same with Pakistan but was not able 2

the war is never over if u r not fighting it dsnt mean u never have to fight u must be ready always
many people say Why US will attack pakistan or why India will attack pakistan
Us have their own interest India have their own
US is controlled BY jew or so called zonst lobby and they see as If they war occurs with arabs or iran Pakistan will support them Pakistan proved that in arab wars with israel
and with india we already have 4 wars
main reason Indian occupied kashmir many indian gone say no we wont war it will never happen well as a human i also hate war and i dont wana fight with any 1 but well thats not reality A happy develping Pakistan is as much is good for india its also bad for india 2

So for looking its economy pakistan is talking small steps but they are talking steps
1thing which is not for pakistan is their politicians cz they never cared for that Country they think that pakistan is their dads property well only people of pakistan can show that but as they are pakistanii they dont care

 

[datalibdaz]

Sane people may not agree with you on this! Pakistan Conditions has worsened in last 10 years!
if its all part of RAW/CIA/MOSSAD agenda like most hypocrites like you thinks, than they are doing excellent job.

ya 2 steps ahead

Are u blind...Can you read what i have written in my post???Did i say that during last 10 years Pakistan economy has skyrocketed and will become super duper power in next five years??? But sorry CIA and their poodles have lost big time..Accept this fact...IF no carry on with your supa powa dreams..