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Is Pakistan planning to have presence in Kabul airport along with Turkey

Lolz its funny when fanboys pretend to be experts. And dont use the term son for others, its seen as an abuse in our culture, unless u want me to remind u to go ask ur mother abt ur real father.
Obviously u are totally illiterate about Afghanistan and how we deal with it. There is a huge hatred for Pakistanis in Afghanistan and Pakistan sending soldiers would make that extreme and would be seen as an occupation attempt by Pakistan, thus fuelling insurgency and attacks against Pakistan. There are other ways to keep control and help allies and we know how to do it. So kindly keep ur childish bs to urself, Pakistan never will set foot on afghan land, not even if they burn each other in kabul.
The thing with fanboys is that they r extremely dumb. They would want ToT for weapons which the seller is not even ready to sell and would want to take on a role that the US and NATO, the world's biggest military machine, failed miserably.
fanboys? not likely. maybe little injuns playing james bond. thinking PDF is Pakistan. they think that they are coaxing it into a trap. this one says that Afghan war cost America 20 trillion dollars (in reality it's less than one, even that is borne by the whole world).

there is another brooke bond monkey who says America is broke thus ripe for invasion by China, Turkey (2 sworn enemies of one another), Pakistan and afghan taliban (lately he's been including Ethiopia in this imaginary bloc too)
 
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fanboys? not likely. maybe little injuns playing james bond. thinking PDF is Pakistan. they think that they are coaxing it into a trap. this one says that Afghan war cost America 20 trillion dollars (in reality it's less than one, even that is borne by the whole world).

You are the type of ppl who believes in what everyone says... The US said it intially lost around 3k in Vietnam but 30 years later revealed to have been around 60k? What I am trying to say is that everything is not as it seems.. They won't publish the real amount they spend in Afg and especially in the war on terror.. If you think anyone would give you real figures than you are naive.


Read this article closely on the above link.. How can 21 trillion US dollar be unaccounted for from the defense... Nobody will really give you really figures and the fact that they are throwing around 2t means it is alot bigger and 2t is just them doing damage control..
 
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If Taliban play it smart they will change their attitude towards many things, including women education and foreign investments, but also keeping Pakistan and Turkey troops in Kabul Airport ( both countries are Islamic nations ) hence Taliban will have no issue with them over seeing the security details, not just that but also ensure that Taliban movement is not overtaken by the extremists elements like ISIS.
BOTH PAKISTAN AND TUKS ARE NON MUSLIM THERE GOVT IS NON MUSLIM
ONLY MUSLIMS ARE WHO'S LAW IS LAW OF QURAN AS PER PROPHET SAW TURKEY WILL EXIT ISLAM BY JOINING NATO IF PAKISTAN JOIN THEM THEY BOTH ARE NON MUSLIM ONLY IN ISLAM MUJAHADEEN ARMY ALLOWED WHICH IS TALIBAN NOT PAKISTAN ARMY IT IS ARMY OF CURRUPT GENERALS LIKE MUSHARRAF
 
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You have misunderstood me entirely.. If IEA invites Pakistan.. Who could oppose her is the question? That is right basically nobody... Do you think even the Taliban of 2001 would have denied Pakistan's assistance if it told them don't worry we will bomb this separatists to shit... The answer is no Taliban would have thanked them..

When you do intervention in such country you must not anger the public opinion and mood. chose the right side of the fence to stand on and help them gain their objectives..


This is what Maj-General Babar Iftikhar said Yesterday..

“Pakistan has no favourites among the Afghan stakeholders. The Afghans have to choose their leadership. In case of any deadlock, we can assist''

This gives indirect signal that lets assume Taliban will hold 85%-95% of the country but all of sudden a northern alliance like entity emerge Pakistan will assist the stronger side IEA militarily to quickly end the separatists so peace returns permenently but don't assume something entirely else... It is very important for PK's interests that IEA is satisfied for long term cooperation because PK seeks stragetic depth

Lolz what babar iftikhar said and what u assumed is totally opposite. Pakistan is supportive of peace and that may mean taliban but that does not mean sending our uniformed men to their territory. Also taliban will never ask for Pakistan assistance in terms of boots on ground, it will make them look weak, it will go against their narrative that they can beat US and NATO but need Pakistan boots on ground to deal with ANA and warlords??? The taliban is trying to win over the afghan public and they would never jeopardize that by inviting Pakistani boots, it will be a political suicide. As i said, help does not mean sending our soldiers to kabul, there are many other ways and we excel in those.
 
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Lolz what babar iftikhar said and what u assumed is totally opposite. Pakistan is supportive of peace and that may mean taliban but that does not mean sending our uniformed men to their territory. Also taliban will never ask for Pakistan assistance in terms of boots on ground, it will make them look weak, it will go against their narrative that they can beat US and NATO but need Pakistan boots on ground to deal with ANA and warlords??? The taliban is trying to win over the afghan public and they would never jeopardize that by inviting Pakistani boots, it will be a political suicide. As i said, help does not mean sending our soldiers to kabul, there are many other ways and we excel in those.

There is no time for such wait and game.. If deadlock was to occur you can bet.. Pakistan will come in like a hurricane... I know Taliban don't need anyones help and can finish Afghanistan off completely I absolutely agree with that... By this time Pakistan should have been busy building military instillations in the mountains and prepare it's unpenetrable stragetic depth...

They are gog and magog like zombies these on the eastern border and Pakistan is Dhul Qarnain.. Keeping them locked from humanity they are the worst pest and won't be let out by any means necessary...
 
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Watch from 00:50. Is Pakistan planning to secure the Kabul airport along with Turkish forces?

It was already not making sense that why is Turkey willing to take this responsibility, let alone Pakistan joining Turkey in this.
A kind advise to all......

If you wants to help Afghanistan help Taliban but from outside....anyone from anywhere lands his boots inside Afghanistan...Taliban would consider them enemy and will fight till the end.
@SQ8 @Irfan Baloch @PanzerKiel
 
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A kind advise to all......

If you wants to help Afghanistan help Taliban but from outside....anyone from anywhere lands his boots inside Afghanistan...Taliban would consider them enemy and will fight till the end.
@SQ8 @Irfan Baloch @PanzerKiel
Really not sure of what the Turks intend with it - I see the motivations on ATC and otherwise but I would be surprised if the Taliban today are unreasonable enough to want to shut it down or mess with operations.
 
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Really not sure of what the Turks intend with it - I see the motivations on ATC and otherwise but I would be surprised if the Taliban today are unreasonable enough to want to shut it down or mess with operations.
I don't think Taliban that idiot but if armed persons from any other country try to guard...They will face hard resistance.
 
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I don't think Taliban that idiot but if armed persons from any other country try to guard...They will face hard resistance.
It all depends on how the stalemate(or doesn’t) play out. If the fears surrounding a repeat of the 90s are true then “Kabul must burn” will happen again and the result will be misery for Pakistanis unless they become totally heartless and block incoming refugees.
However, then Tehran comes into exploit the situation - not a friend of ours either.
The best one can hope for is a power sharing agreement where the Taliban are represented in Kabul and in leadership by their actual capacity and a peaceful coalition forms.
In all of this, the Turks could come in later to helo and assist this coalition.
 
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A kind advise to all......

If you wants to help Afghanistan help Taliban but from outside....anyone from anywhere lands his boots inside Afghanistan...Taliban would consider them enemy and will fight till the end.
@SQ8 @Irfan Baloch @PanzerKiel
AOA Brother
What you are saying is exactly what I was hoping and suggesting till the last 58 hours or so. In the past 5 days things have moved so fast that what ever had been decided in the various agreements between the Afghan Taliban and the concerned parties has sublimated (Solid state to vapour).

All the Strategies that were made prior were based on defending the Capital and all the major Cities of Afghanistan would remain in the hands of ANA as the ANA is backed by the Afghan Air Force. Once the other cities fell the Afghan Government pulled the entire Afghan Air Force to Kabul to ascertain the World that Kabul is safe and they should keep their presence in form of their Embassies. But in the past 5 days ANA forces surrendered 80% of the territories they had along with all their equipment.

No one in Afghanistan wants an other Civil War hence the ANA surrenders in the hope that the Afghan Taliban would not kill them or their families in the long run. They also might be able to rejoin the Taliban forces in the name of Afghan Army once Taliban have control over the entire country.

Consideration of the Afghan Government was once Taliban come close to or kill ANA personnel they would call upon the USA and NATO to save them and an other war would resume this time by the will of the Afghan Government. Unfortunately this never fulfilled as the ANA did not want to be a part of an other internal or external war.

All the neighboring countries were expecting this as they had seen what had happened in Libya, Iraq and Syria hence they planned on a combined strategy. This Strategy made sure that USA and NATO would not be allowed to fly over their airspace to conduct airstrikes in Afghanistan.

Realizing this Afghan Air Force was ordered to bring all equipment to Kabul and as soon as the Taliban arrive in the outskirts of Kabul Afghan Air Force would destroy them and as a reaction UN would force other countries to give them use their airspace in order to bomb the Afghan's once again any country who would appose this would also be considered as an enemy and War would be declared against them. The countries that would be considered primarily would be Iran and Pakistan. China and Russia both took sides with Iran and Pakistan hence any UN declaration would be Vetoed.

This is the reason USA pressured Turkey who is both NATO and Muslim. If Turkey fails then NATO would kick Turkey out. Being a Muslim Country a war with a Muslim country would only kill Muslims.

Afghan Air Force according to Wiki has these:
Current inventory[edit]

An Afghan A-29 Super Tucano over Kabul, Afghanistan

Afghan MD 530F firing off its gun pods
Helicopters
Transport
Combat Aircraft
AircraftOriginTypeVariantIn serviceNotes
Cessna 208United Statesground attack / ISRAC-20810[76]
A-29 Super TucanoBrazilCOIN / attack19[76]
Boeing 727United StatesVIP transport1[77]former aircraft from Ariana Afghan Airlines[78]
C-130 HerculesUnited StatestransportC-130H4[76]
Cessna 208United Statestransport / utility24[76]
Pilatus PC-12Switzerlandtransport / utilityPC-12NG18[76][79]assigned to the Special Mission Wing
Mil Mi-17RussiautilityMi-8/1795[76]56 aircraft are in use with the Special Mission Wing[80]
Mil Mi-24RussiaattackMi-258[76]
Bell UH-1United StatesutilityUH-1H10[76]
HAL CheetahIndiautility3[76]
Sikorsky UH-60United StatesutilityUH-60A16143 on order[81]
MD500 DefenderUnited Stateslight attack / trainingMD 530F6810 on order[76]


If Turkey and/or Pakistan can secure these assets then these can not be used upon the AFGHAN's at least. The other option is to enforce a No Fly Zone but that would be considered as a War by both Taliban and the World.

Looking at this if the Taliban's are convinced that the Turkish and Pakistani troops would remain to protect the Afghan Taliban and the citizens then they might let them control the Airport and once Afghan Taliban are in full control of the country both Turkey and Pakistan would leave then only this can be resolved without an other civil war.

I understand this looks easy when said but it is a very complex issue.
It all depends on how the stalemate(or doesn’t) play out. If the fears surrounding a repeat of the 90s are true then “Kabul must burn” will happen again and the result will be misery for Pakistanis unless they become totally heartless and block incoming refugees.
However, then Tehran comes into exploit the situation - not a friend of ours either.
The best one can hope for is a power sharing agreement where the Taliban are represented in Kabul and in leadership by their actual capacity and a peaceful coalition forms.
In all of this, the Turks could come in later to helo and assist this coalition.
Do not see Hamid Karzai would negotiate on any power sharing deal specially after he did not accept his defeat in the General elections which would have formed a democratic government in Afghanistan for the first time in its history.
 
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AOA Brother
What you are saying is exactly what I was hoping and suggesting till the last 58 hours or so. In the past 5 days things have moved so fast that what ever had been decided in the various agreements between the Afghan Taliban and the concerned parties has sublimated (Solid state to vapour).

All the Strategies that were made prior were based on defending the Capital and all the major Cities of Afghanistan would remain in the hands of ANA as the ANA is backed by the Afghan Air Force. Once the other cities fell the Afghan Government pulled the entire Afghan Air Force to Kabul to ascertain the World that Kabul is safe and they should keep their presence in form of their Embassies. But in the past 5 days ANA forces surrendered 80% of the territories they had along with all their equipment.

No one in Afghanistan wants an other Civil War hence the ANA surrenders in the hope that the Afghan Taliban would not kill them or their families in the long run. They also might be able to rejoin the Taliban forces in the name of Afghan Army once Taliban have control over the entire country.

Consideration of the Afghan Government was once Taliban come close to or kill ANA personnel they would call upon the USA and NATO to save them and an other war would resume this time by the will of the Afghan Government. Unfortunately this never fulfilled as the ANA did not want to be a part of an other internal or external war.

All the neighboring countries were expecting this as they had seen what had happened in Libya, Iraq and Syria hence they planned on a combined strategy. This Strategy made sure that USA and NATO would not be allowed to fly over their airspace to conduct airstrikes in Afghanistan.

Realizing this Afghan Air Force was ordered to bring all equipment to Kabul and as soon as the Taliban arrive in the outskirts of Kabul Afghan Air Force would destroy them and as a reaction UN would force other countries to give them use their airspace in order to bomb the Afghan's once again any country who would appose this would also be considered as an enemy and War would be declared against them. The countries that would be considered primarily would be Iran and Pakistan. China and Russia both took sides with Iran and Pakistan hence any UN declaration would be Vetoed.

This is the reason USA pressured Turkey who is both NATO and Muslim. If Turkey fails then NATO would kick Turkey out. Being a Muslim Country a war with a Muslim country would only kill Muslims.

Afghan Air Force according to Wiki has these:
Current inventory[edit]

An Afghan A-29 Super Tucano over Kabul, Afghanistan

Afghan MD 530F firing off its gun pods
Helicopters
Transport
Combat Aircraft
AircraftOriginTypeVariantIn serviceNotes
Cessna 208United Statesground attack / ISRAC-20810[76]
A-29 Super TucanoBrazilCOIN / attack19[76]
Boeing 727United StatesVIP transport1[77]former aircraft from Ariana Afghan Airlines[78]
C-130 HerculesUnited StatestransportC-130H4[76]
Cessna 208United Statestransport / utility24[76]
Pilatus PC-12Switzerlandtransport / utilityPC-12NG18[76][79]assigned to the Special Mission Wing
Mil Mi-17RussiautilityMi-8/1795[76]56 aircraft are in use with the Special Mission Wing[80]
Mil Mi-24RussiaattackMi-258[76]
Bell UH-1United StatesutilityUH-1H10[76]
HAL CheetahIndiautility3[76]
Sikorsky UH-60United StatesutilityUH-60A16143 on order[81]
MD500 DefenderUnited Stateslight attack / trainingMD 530F6810 on order[76]


If Turkey and/or Pakistan can secure these assets then these can not be used upon the AFGHAN's at least. The other option is to enforce a No Fly Zone but that would be considered as a War by both Taliban and the World.

Looking at this if the Taliban's are convinced that the Turkish and Pakistani troops would remain to protect the Afghan Taliban and the citizens then they might let them control the Airport and once Afghan Taliban are in full control of the country both Turkey and Pakistan would leave then only this can be resolved without an other civil war.

I understand this looks easy when said but it is a very complex issue.

Do not see Hamid Karzai would negotiate on any power sharing deal specially after he did not accept his defeat in the General elections which would have formed a democratic government in Afghanistan for the first time in its history.
W.S Brother,

We should negotiate with Taliban that if they entered Kabul just don't destroy anything or killing people and let the Turk or Pakistan techs to run critical air operations so that people can leave or come with ease other wise Afghanistan will become hell x 1000 again and most of the people comeback to Pakistan and would make our lives more miserable.

Afghan air force is only on paper can't do anything against the might of charging Talibans.
 
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India has made it now easy for the airport, which now needs to be neutralized at any cost....

Turkey has only non-combatant operation to keep the airport open! If it gets taken over what to operate??
 
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