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Is Pakistan facing bankruptcy?

^^Why are you so sentimental about Pakistani stockexchange?
I don't think we have answers to your query.
Please, don't use provocative and derogatory words.
Care to explain, what is the basis of your claim?

Not sentimental but surprise. I was neither provoking someone or passing derogatory remarks. I actually thought pak would have closed trading a month ago. knowing that it is still open is a surprise.

In small economies, small investors are very important. Especially in Pak where there is a dearth of big ticket investments from foreign companies or other investors.

Iceland and Indonesia(or thailand....cant seem to recall) have already closed trading more than a week ago.
Iceland has already asked for a $4billion bail out loan from russia.

Actually many countries have closed trading.

Pak is trying to project the "good investor destination" image to attract FDI. Pak is also trying to woo expats to buy govt stocks. This might help the economy in the long run. But, on the expense of small time investors.


Simple logic really. When trading is closed, the market will not fall or rise. But business will be hampered big time and FDI will literally cease.

My assumption is Pak might be trying to delay closing the stock exchange by waiting for some other country to bail them out.....like US, Saudi or China.
Iceland is doing the same too. It might work out.
 
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This is a funny quote but true.

Pakistan is going to the Chinese now "because you go to the guys with the money," a senior International Monetary Fund official said. "And right now, the Chinese are the ones with the money."
 
UPDATE 1-Q+A-Clock ticks down on Pakistan's payments crisis | Reuters

UPDATE 1-Q+A-Clock ticks down on Pakistan's payments crisis

By Simon Cameron-Moore

ISLAMABAD, Oct 17 (Reuters) - Pakistan moved closer to a balance of payments crisis on Friday, as the rupee slumped to a record low after the central bank reported it had barely enough foreign currency to cover six weeks of imports.

Islamist militants seeking to destablise a nuclear-armed U.S. ally stand to gain most from an economic meltdown in Pakistan.

A six-month-old civilian government, headed by President Asif Ali Zardari, is banking on international support for Pakistan's transition to democracy after more than eight years under former army chief Pervez Musharraf.

Pakistani officials have been to Beijing, Washington, and the Gulf to whip up financial support, but there have been no firm commitments.

HOW MUCH FOREIGN CURRENCY DOES PAKISTAN HAVE?

As of Oct. 11, Pakistan's foreign currency reserves totalled $7.75 billion, having fallen $570 million in a week.

Critically, the central bank's share of this has fallen to $4.34 billion, while commercial banks held $3.41 billion.

As a result of deteriorating external balances and dwindling reserves the rupee fell almost 2.8 percent on Friday to a record low of 84.40, having lost 27 percent since the start of 2008.

There have been uncorroborated reports in the media that Pakistan's reserves are in a more parlous state.

The News daily said on Friday central bank reserves had slid to just under $4 billion as of Oct. 16 and out of that $1.5 billion had been consumed by currency forward booking liabilities.

HOW LONG CAN PAKISTAN GO ON BEFORE IT RUNS OUT OF DOLLARS?

A source with knowledge of the external position said a big capital infusion was needed in the next one to one-and-a-half months: "Otherwise there will be a serious problem."

The data shows the central bank has barely enough foreign currency to cover six weeks of imports. Including commercial bank reserves, it has two months' cover.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES PAKISTAN NEED TO STAY AFLOAT?

Up to $4 billion is needed urgently, according to Sakib Sherani, a bank economist on the prime minister's economic advisory council.

Pakistan needs $7 billion to cover a projected current account deficit of $14 billion for the fiscal year to June.

The international bond market has already priced in a default on a $500 million bond due to mature in February.

HOW MUCH IS PAKISTAN SPENDING?

Economists say Pakistan is shedding reserves at a rate of about $1 billion a month.

Imports totalled $3.8 billion in September. Exports were $1.78 billion, creating a trade deficit if $2.207 billion.

In July-September the current account deficit widened to $3.95 billion from $2.27 billion in the same period a year ago.

The main factors behind the widening deficit are soaring oil and food prices, compounded by a poor wheat crop last year.

WHAT ARE PAKISTANI OFFICIALS SAYING?

They say don't panic, help is on the way.

Shaukat Tarin, a respected banker appointed economic troubleshooter last week, said on Monday he was sure Pakistan would fulfil upcoming debt obligations of $3 billion.

The source with knowledge of the external situation was sure Pakistan would not default on the $500 million bond in February.

HOW CAN PAKISTAN HELP ITSELF STOP THE DRAIN?

Raise interest rates, while easing banks' liquidity, impose capital controls, ban imports of non-essentials, and limit how much foreign currency foreigners can buy using rupees.

Inflation at 25 percent is a good reason to raise interest rates, but a rapid slowdown in economic growth limits the scope.

Pakistan can also stop foreigners from withdrawing funds. A floor imposed on the stock market in August effectively stopped investors exiting a market that had fallen 35 percent this year. The Karachi Stock Exchange plans to remove the floor on Oct. 27. Investors fear it will probably spark a rush for the door.

Introducing rules to force foreigners to retain proceeds from sales of stocks or bonds in Pakistan for a set period is an option.

The central bank can also buy time by imposing capital controls that would break the link between onshore and offshore players, like ending credit facilities for offshore players.

WHERE COULD HELP ARRIVE FROM?

The global economic crisis clouds prospects for help.

The International Monetary Fund: The government doesn't want to go through the humiliation of an IMF rescue package. But it has consulted the IMF over policies to reassure other lenders.

The World Bank: It has $1.4 billion available under an existing programme for Pakistan, but it needs board approval.

The Asian Development Bank: It lent $500 million last month.

The United States: Officials say privately that Pakistan's biggest bilateral lender wants it to go to the IMF. The U.S. presidential election complicates prospects of U.S. help in the short-term.

China: Zardari won sympathy in Beijing this week. The old ally granted a $500 million concessional loan in April. Some media reports say Zardari wants another of $1.5 billion or more.

Saudi Arabia: Pakistan said months ago that Saudi Arabia had agreed in principle to deferred payments for oil, but nothing has happened. Other oil exporters have been asked for help.

"Friends of Pakistan": These potential donors, who came together on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly last month, are expected to meet in Abu Dhabi in mid-November. Officials say this should not be billed as a pledging forum, but it could help Pakistan generate support. (Additional reporting by Sahar Ahmed and Vidya Ranganathan; Editing by Robert Birsel and Paul Tait)
 
I feel india should support pakistan to overcome this recession period.
Its a very good time to develop a good relationship.
 
I feel india should support pakistan to overcome this recession period.
Its a very good time to develop a good relationship.

comon man i want to kiss:smitten: you not for overcome but its first time in forum history one indian member think abut good reletionship with pakistan.if india only leave us alone and we never feel india is our enemy its more then this nothing you can help us.:welcome:
 
It will be upto pak to request for a grant from india. But, that might hurt pak pride.

It would be better if pak requests indian investment in pak industry. It would generate much needed FDI for pak too.
 
It will be upto pak to request for a grant from india. But, that might hurt pak pride.

It would be better if pak requests indian investment in pak industry. It would generate much needed FDI for pak too.

i repeat sir indian help for pakistan is please leave us alone stop secret wars from afghanistan.and don't we feel india is our enemy its great help from india
 
I feel india should support pakistan to overcome this recession period.
Its a very good time to develop a good relationship.

Kumar that is an excellent suggestion but if India supports Pak it will also be criticized on this forum (dont know about Pak media). People will come up with various conspiracy theories which will involve RAW and CIA. And then as p2prada pointed out it will hurt their pride. When efforts were made by PPP government to buy refined oil products from India (as they are cheap and are bought by Iran also) it was heavily criticized on this forum. Similar suggestions of greater trade with India was welcomed by very few people on the forum. As Imran pointed out maybe it`s just best for India not to do anything. I hope even Pakistan stops supporting the terrorist,Dawood and other anti-India elements on Pak side, it will definitely improve the relationship between two countries.
 
Kumar that is an excellent suggestion but if India supports Pak it will also be criticized on this forum (dont know about Pak media). People will come up with various conspiracy theories which will involve RAW and CIA. And then as p2prada pointed out it will hurt their pride. When efforts were made by PPP government to buy refined oil products from India (as they are cheap and are bought by Iran also) it was heavily criticized on this forum. Similar suggestions of greater trade with India was welcomed by very few people on the forum. As Imran pointed out maybe it`s just best for India not to do anything. I hope even Pakistan stops supporting the terrorist,Dawood and other anti-India elements on Pak side, it will definitely improve the relationship between two countries.

That would automatically be a booster dose for peaceful coexistence.
 

ISLAMABAD (Agencies): There was no risk of Pakistan defaulting on international debts as funds were being lined up to cover a balance of payments deficit and rebuild currency reserves, the country's newly appointed economic troubleshooter said on Saturday. "I am very confident that I have plans to make sure, whatever it takes that we should build our reserves and that we do not default," Shaukat Tarin said a day after returning from overseas visits to Washington and Beijing to drum up support.

"Now, there is no danger," he told journalists after a news conference in Islamabad. Tarin, appointed last week as adviser to the prime minister on economic affairs, had attended the annual International Monetary Fund meeting in Washington and later joined President Asif Ali Zardari on a visit to China earlier this week.

"If we want to go to the IMF, we can ... but only as a backup," Tarin said, adding that he was confident Pakistan had a viable plan to work through its problems. Tarin said he planned to bridge a financing gap for the balance of payments deficit in the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009, mainly through other multilateral lenders the World Bank, Asian Development Bank front-loading disbursements from development assistance programmes.

The Islamic Development Bank and Britain's Department for International Development are also expected to virtually double their planned assistance, he said. There was also a plan to securitise workers' remittances from overseas to the tune of $1.5-2.0 billion. "We think we will be in a very good shape within the next 30 to 60 days," Tarin said of the prospects of sewing up funds to cover a financing gap that the IMF estimates at up to $4.5 billion, and Pakistan reckons at $3.0 billion.

Neither Tarin or Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi divulged whether China had given any firm commitments on loans, though there were uncorroborated media reports that Zardari asked China for close to $3 billion. Potential donors, including China, are expected to gather in Abu Dhabi in mid-November, under the banner "Friends of Pakistan".

Qureshi told the news conference that senior Chinese bankers were coming to assess Pakistan's needs, and Chinese firms had pledged to invest $1 billion by June 2009. Aside from seeking financial support from multilateral lenders and friendly governments, Pakistan has asked oil suppliers in the Gulf to accept deferred payments.

The international bond market had already priced in a Pakistani default on a $500 million bond maturing in February, though there had been widespread expectation that the international community would rally round a nuclear-armed Muslim nation returning to democracy, while under threat from Islamist militancy. Pakistan's stock market has been moribund since late August, when authorities imposed a floor that blocked off investors exiting a market that has dropped 35 percent this year.
 
I may be wrong but I think a Musharraf or even a Nawaz Sharif could have obtained help from the Chinese -

Rebuffed by China, Pakistan May Seek I.M.F. Aid

By JANE PERLEZ

Published: October 18, 2008

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — President Asif Ali Zardari returned from China late Friday without a commitment for cash needed to shore up Pakistan’s crumbling economy, leaving him with the politically unpopular prospect of having to ask the International Monetary Fund for help.

Pakistan was seeking the aid from China, an important ally, as it faces the possibility of defaulting on its current account payments.

With the United States and other nations preoccupied by a financial crisis, and Saudi Arabia, another traditional ally, refusing to offer concessions on oil, China was seen as the last port of call before the I.M.F.

Accepting a rescue package from the fund would be seen as humiliating for Mr. Zardari’s government, which took office this year.

An I.M.F.-backed plan would require Pakistan’s government to cut spending and raise taxes, among other measures, which could hurt the poor, officials said.

The Bush administration is concerned that Pakistan’s economic meltdown will provide an opportunity for Islamic militants to capitalize on rising poverty and frustration.

The Pakistanis have not been shy about exploiting the terrorist threat to try to win financial support, a senior official at the I.M.F. said.

But because of the dire global financial situation, and the reluctance of donor nations to provide money without strict economic reforms by Pakistan, the terrorist argument has not been fully persuasive, he said.

“A selling point to us even has been, if the economy really collapses this is going to mean civil strife, and strikes, and put the war on terror in jeopardy,” said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the news media.

“They are saying, ‘We are a strategic country, the world needs to come to our aid,’ ” he said.

Pakistani officials said they had received promises from the Chinese to help build two nuclear power plants, and pledges for business investment in the coming year.

But Pakistan had also hoped China would deposit $1.5 billion to $3 billion in its central bank, according to senior officials at the I.M.F. and Western donor countries.

The infusion of cash would have helped with payments for oil and food as currency reserves dwindle, officials said.

Shaukat Tareen, the new Pakistani financial adviser who accompanied Mr. Zardari to China, began to prepare the public for an I.M.F. program on Saturday, saying for the first time at a news conference that if Pakistan could not stabilize its economy within 30 days, it “can go to the I.M.F. as a backup.”

“We may have to go to Plan B,” he said.

Economic hardship has been mounting across Pakistan for several months. Electricity shortages have become so dire that even middle-class families in big cities have to ration supply, with power cuts for 12 of every 24 hours, with one hour on, and one hour off.

Food prices have soared, making some basics, even flour, too expensive for the poorest to afford. No large-scale riots have occurred, but concern is mounting that such protests are not far off.

The new government has reduced subsidies on fuel and food, and the central bank moved on Friday to ease an intrabank liquidity crisis.

In addition, new rules were imposed several weeks ago on the Karachi stock exchange to stop sell-offs.

But none of those steps have stanched the crisis in confidence.

The central bank’s currency reserves have dipped to $4 billion, enough to cover payments for oil and other imports for about two months. As it became clear over the past two days that the Chinese were not going to provide a cushion for Pakistan, the rupee slumped to a record low.

The thin results from the China trip were of little surprise to Western donors.

Asked about the likelihood of Pakistan winning the direct cash infusion it was seeking, a senior Chinese diplomat was reported by Western officials to have said, “We have done our due diligence, and it isn’t happening.”

“What we needed is $3-to-$4 billion,” said Sakib Sherani, a member of the government’s economic advisory panel and chief economist at ABN Amro Bank in Pakistan. That amount was necessary “to build confidence,” he said.

The central bank governor, Shamshad Akhtar, said in a telephone interview on Saturday, “We are very open to all kinds of financial support.” She added, “We’ve taken a lot of corrective actions, and we plan to take more.”

But Zubair Khan, a former commerce minister and a critic of the government’s economic management, said confidence would improve once Pakistan arranged an I.M.F. rescue package. Mr. Khan said that the alternative would be the imposition of controls on imports and capital flows that could do long-term harm to the economy.

Meanwhile, the American financial crisis is also expected to hurt ordinary Pakistanis.

Remittances from Pakistanis living abroad to their relatives in Pakistan were expected to be about $7 billion this year, about $3 billion of that from Pakistanis living in the United States. But those remittances are likely to dwindle, affecting real estate values in Pakistani cities and families who live in poorer rural areas.

Mr. Zardari had approached the China trip with considerable fanfare, saying he was looking forward to visiting a country that had enjoyed a warm relationship with Pakistan, particularly during the rule of his father-in-law, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.

His visit to Beijing followed a trip there by the chief of the army, Gen. Parvez Kayani, and came at a time when the relationship between Washington and Pakistan was strained over how to deal with the escalating threat from the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Javed Burki, a former Pakistani finance minister, said China had provided $500 million in balance-of-payments support in 1996, when Pakistan was on the brink of default. He had flown to Beijing to ask for the money and his request was fulfilled.

But those days are over, he said, because China is no longer inclined to grant cash outright without structural reforms from the receiving government, he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/world/asia/19zardari.html?ref=asia
 
Munshi sahib,

The way I understand it, the question is not one of simple reluctance in providing Pakistan with the resources it needs, but rather of Pakistan outlining the structural reforms and programs that would properly utilize this inflow.

On that count, perhaps it is notable that the concrete proposals of Chinese assistance have been under the ambit of 'investments' in various projects that are feasible, well planned and developed, and provide returns on economic investment for both donor and recipient, beyond the immediate return of bolstering foreign exchange reserves.

As the article mentions, the onus is on Pakistan to come up with programs and reforms that induce confidence in donors that the aid will go towards strengthening the Pakistani economy long term, and help it become self sustaining.
 
Asked about the likelihood of Pakistan winning the direct cash infusion it was seeking, a senior Chinese diplomat was reported by Western officials to have said, “We have done our due diligence, and it isn’t happening.”

It does appear that the "all weather", the "higher than Himalayas" and "Deeper than Oceans" friendship doesn't come without the due diligence. :lol:

Chinese are such pragmatic people. So its always amusing when so many Pakistanis talk in such glowing terms of "true" friendship et al.

Its a case of mutual scratching of backs as is true for all international relations!
 

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