Is it really India?

[Moorkh]

Well, its good that you have got that impression. But from India's POV, India desires to carve out many more Bangladesh like states. Keeping the Pakistan on boil is the first step in that direction, remeber East Paksitan was also on boil, but not many in Pakistan actually believed India could do what did in 1971. RAW is very efficient in this way, it covers it tracks well and prepares the enemy for a final blow by the army. Army gives the last punch and Indian influence does the rest. This is the plan for Pakistan from the begining. Lets see, whether it works.

i think u r overestimating the RAW. yes we did support the mukti bahini. but it was basically the GoP shooting itself in the foot with its policies in Bangladesh that did the trick.

any attempts to do another Bangladesh will be, to sugarcoat it, "moronic".
pakistan has nukes now and in the off chance that chaos reminiscent of mukti bahini days affects pakistan, those nukes could go rogue.

right now the nukes are very very safe.

we want to them to stay safe. so no more carving pakistan into smaller countries.

 

[SMC]

Then why is it that Ilyas Kashmiri and retired army officers and army medical doctors involved in terrorists attacks in Pakistan itself? And why was Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah referred to as a Pakistani patriots by Army officials, just a year back?
Army official calls Baitullah Mehsud, Fazlullah ‘patriots’

IF you have been following statements by As Sahab (Al Qaeda media channel) TTP and other militant groups like Hizb LeT e.t.c. you will know why they think attacking the Pakistani military is justified and it has nothing to do with their love for India.

Of course they will not mentioned their love for india? They will lose whatever remaining support they have. Additionally for the first part, these people would be nowhere as strong without india's help.

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i think u r overestimating the RAW. yes we did support the mukti bahini. but it was basically the GoP shooting itself in the foot with its policies in Bangladesh that did the trick.

any attempts to do another Bangladesh will be, to sugarcoat it, "moronic".
pakistan has nukes now and in the off chance that chaos reminiscent of mukti bahini days affects pakistan, those nukes could go rogue.

right now the nukes are very very safe.

we want to them to stay safe. so no more carving pakistan into smaller countries.

Not a very good argument. India would like to denuclearize Pakistan ASAP. TTP are a very good way to go about that.

 

[Bhaarat]

Of course they will not mentioned their love for india? They will lose whatever remaining support they have. Additionally for the first part, these people would be nowhere as strong without india's help.

Ahsan,

they dont love India. They are manipulated by India. Infact, many of them sincerely believe in their goal of wanting a Pakistan which is ruled in accordance with their version of Sharia. TTP and such small groups' first loyalty is towards their religion(as they interpret it) and not towards anyone country. RAW supports and pays them through proxies. RAW knows that in future TTP may turn against India, but when they do, they can be neutralised.

Not a very good argument. India would like to denuclearize Pakistan ASAP. TTP are a very good way to go about that.

You know the game.

 

[Spring Onion]

Ahsan,

they dont love India. They are manipulated by India. Infact, many of them sincerely believe in their goal of wanting a Pakistan which is ruled in accordance with their version of Sharia. TTP and such small groups' first loyalty is towards their religion(as they interpret it) and not towards anyone country. RAW supports and pays them through proxies. RAW knows that in future TTP may turn against India, but when they do, they can be neutralised.

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you dont know a fig about TTP terrorists.

The have no religion so dont try to misguide the readers. They are bunch of criminals who's loyalities are those whoever pays them.

 

[Spring Onion]

i think u r overestimating the RAW. yes we did support the mukti bahini. but it was basically the GoP shooting itself in the foot with its policies in Bangladesh that did the trick.

any attempts to do another Bangladesh will be, to sugarcoat it, "moronic".
pakistan has nukes now and in the off chance that chaos reminiscent of mukti bahini days affects pakistan, those nukes could go rogue.

right now the nukes are very very safe.

we want to them to stay safe. so no more carving pakistan into smaller countries.

Agreed. In East Pakistan case, our politicians had played badly rather they were shooting themselves in the foot and India not only exploited the situation but also resorted to direct terrorism in Pakistan.

Besides the distance between east and west Pakistan had also played a role.

But thinking that India can do the same today alone its not possible.

India is as much an ethnically divided country hence tomorrow the same break up is possible there.

 

[SMC]

Ahsan,

they dont love India. They are manipulated by India. Infact, many of them sincerely believe in their goal of wanting a Pakistan which is ruled in accordance with their version of Sharia. TTP and such small groups' first loyalty is towards their religion(as they interpret it) and not towards anyone country. RAW supports and pays them through proxies. RAW knows that in future TTP may turn against India, but when they do, they can be neutralised.

I believe you're right. I was looking at an interview on Geo of a baloch separatist leader who mentioned that anyone who can help them - india, US, UK, etc - should help them. The interviewer asked him then if india is helping Baloch insurgents because of reports, and his facial expression changed very quickly and he didn't say anything for 3-4 seconds, and then said I would not like to talk about this.

Essentially, if two organizations have similar or same goals, they can forget their differences and pursue their goals, kind of like Afghan Mujahideen getting help from US.

 

[Bhaarat]

I believe you're right. I was looking at an interview on Geo of a baloch separatist leader who mentioned that anyone who can help them - india, US, UK, etc - should help them. The interviewer asked him then if india is helping Baloch insurgents because of reports, and his facial expression changed very quickly and he didn't say anything for 3-4 seconds, and then said I would not like to talk about this.

Essentially, if two organizations have similar or same goals, they can forget their differences and pursue their goals, kind of like Afghan Mujahideen getting help from US.

You are right, short-term interests over-ride long-term hatred several times.

 

[Bhaarat]

you dont know a fig about TTP terrorists.

The have no religion so dont try to misguide the readers. They are bunch of criminals who's loyalities are those whoever pays them.

Janaji,

You are seeing things in black and white. The world is more complex.

 

[Bhaarat]

India is as much an ethnically divided country hence tomorrow the same break up is possible there.

Janaji,

India is far more ethinically, religiously, linguistically, and regionally divided than anyother country in this region, perhaps whole of Asia, perhaps whole of world. But that is India's strength. The fact that each individual has different identities means one cannot gang against the other. When it comes to tamil, a christian and a hindu will unite. When it comes to religion, a rajsthani and a malayali will unite. You get the point.?!

Also, India allows people to follow any culture freely unlike many other countries in this region. Also, regional discontent is fairly less.

 

[Bullhead]

you dont know a fig about TTP terrorists.

The have no religion so dont try to misguide the readers. They are bunch of criminals who's loyalities are those whoever pays them.

Its funny...how muslims across the globe ....very quickly disown the ones fronm ther own religion.....by a simple statement, ''they are not muslims.....muslims don't do this''....one the other hande they just pounce upon every opportunity ......to declare people from other religion.......and make statements like.. hindus re like thi....jews are like that speaking of double standards.....

 

[Bhaarat]

Its funny...how muslims across the globe ....very quickly disown the ones fronm ther own religion.....by a simple statement, ''they are not muslims.....muslims don't do this''....

Infact, this weakness or prejudice is on both sides. Both sides blame each other of not being a 'muslim', this hovers well for the party that is instigating both sides.

 

[Spring Onion]

Its funny...how muslims across the globe ....very quickly disown the ones fronm ther own religion.....by a simple statement, ''they are not muslims.....muslims don't do this''....one the other hande they just pounce upon every opportunity ......to declare people from other religion.......and make statements like.. hindus re like thi....jews are like that speaking of double standards.....

If you dont know who these TTP people are then do not try to spread misperception. I belong to NWFP and here we all know that TTP people are mostly criminals non-religiouse people who are spreading propaganda for their terrorism.

anyway thats another debate

 

[Spring Onion]

Janaji,

You are seeing things in black and white. The world is more complex.

Atleast with regard to TTP

 

[Bhaarat]

Atleast with regard to TTP

Janaji,

supporters of TTP and sharia in Pakistan allege that PA is bought out by US. supporter of PA allege that TTP are goons of India. The truth is somewhere in between.

TTP is bought out by RAW at the highest level. The lower rungs passionately believe in their stated goals of sharia rule of Pakistan. PA is armtwisted by US to fight TTP criminals. Of course, both PA and TTP see their fight as legitimate and the other side as villian. This is human pschology. This in a way helps RAW/CIA to cover tracks beautifully.

 

[Bullhead]

If you dont know who these TTP people are then do not try to spread misperception. I belong to NWFP and here we all know that TTP people are mostly criminals non-religiouse people who are spreading propaganda for their terrorism.

anyway thats another debate

All that I know is that these terrorists have muslim names........and they have declared Islam as their religion......what do you want world to understand from it......a person with hindu name who says he is a hindu...is a hindu...a person with a christian name who says he is a christian is a christian....