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Is ISIS a threat to Saudi Arabia?

wahhabi,salafist you name it.....has no place in the present world.

they say the first three generations of Muslims were the bestand want emulate them and what era was that??? 600 AD to what 750/800 AD???

1200 years of progress down the drain. if they get their way humanity will be looking at another dark age.


Well said.

you know the irony?

Saudis themselves have gone through a sea change in teh last 10-15 years.

they and their monarchy has ditched the Wahabi stone age ideology as much as they could.

Some may say, too late, too little.

But only time will tell.

I mean next 15 years.
 
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It's not possible for people to express their real views considering modern political/social state of Arab world. On both sides, MB sympathizers and Gulf cleric sympathizers express double standard at some point. Although I give credit to the MB that usually their sympathizers are legally going up against secular alternative. In the Gulf the monarchies or whatever you wish to call them appoint clerics to have religious overtone to combat MB narrative. And they are more hypocritical, sorry to say. But, the larger point is that it is not possible to create a real Caliphate without overthrowing whole world system.

And nobody has a plan for that, I doubt it can coexist with Capitalism. So it requires both sides to come to a similar conclusion. And both sides need to accept they have their own hypocrisy. MB sympathizers are more willing to take the next necessary step as of now. This is undeniable.

What's clear is it can't come through an organization conquering it's way to a Caliphate with no endgame solution. However, time is not on our side. The more we ignore the needs of the society the more prevalent such ideas become. And with recent events in Arab world where Arab states seemed to have backed off of Syria and Iraq and declared new coalition which claims to target militants then we are heading to a bad divide in the region if their is no initiative in place for those who are suffering.

And that requires Mecca to be center of the Middle East again. Right now it is Jerusalem(People look to Israel to find answers). And one of recollections of Prophet mention that it will return to be Mecca again.

Clerics in formerly MB controlled Tunisia were appointed by the government as well. All clerics are that in stable Muslim states regardless of being monarchies or not. If not you can have every village idiot declaring himself a cleric and causing trouble. Look no further than Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria etc.

One can say whatever they want about KSA and its system but it's still the country that adheres to Islamic laws the most. Nor is there anything called a perfect society either.

I don't care about monarchs, rulers (unless they are good and I like what they are doing mostly), MB or any political movements as I have always stated. I just care about KSA, the well-being of Saudi Arabians, the Arab world and Arabs across the world and I am a proponent of close Arab cooperation on all fronts. For the well-being of the Muslim world too but that is obvious so no need to repeat it 1000's of times.

Mate, regarding the events of the region then I guess that all parties are to be blamed. It's complicated and the average person just wants peace and progress and I support that too.

What is needed is a civil society that is open for discourse which is still a few years if not decades away. Until that happens all parties want to rule as the sole power.

In my book it does not matter who rules, which system etc. as long as the society functions and the people are content and there is progress. We can't all have the same system. All countries and their social fabric is distinct. Danish democracy is different from Italian democracy etc. Chinese society is different from Indian etc.

Makkah and Madinah have always been the spiritual center of Islam for almost 1500 years now and for the 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide. Are you talking about it politically or what?

Still Al-Quds is of enormous Islamic significance as you already know and there is an ongoing conflict there that have shaped the Muslim world for the past 70 years. Especially the Arab world.

Anyway I got to go so will answer sometime later either today or tomorrow.
 
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Clerics in formerly MB controlled Tunisia were appointed by the government as well. All clerics are that in stable Muslim states regardless of being monarchies or not. If not you can have every village idiot declaring himself a cleric and causing trouble. Look no further than Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria etc.

And the difference is they represent what they stand for. In the Gulf we have clerics that are educated and express their opinions on social/political matters but don't implement any of it society and they represent something different than what they claim to stand for.
One can say whatever they want about KSA and its system but it's still the country that adheres to Islamic laws the most. Nor is there anything called a perfect society either.

KSA does have Islamic System in place which is unmatched by any Gulf nations.

I don't care about monarchs, rulers (unless they are good and I like what they are doing mostly), MB or any political movements as I have always stated. I just care about KSA, the well-being of Saudi Arabians, the Arab world and Arabs across the world and I am a proponent of close Arab cooperation on all fronts.

I do too, and we have to think outside the box to solve critical issues facing us. Because each Arab nation counts and is dear to us. Not to mention it will have monopoly effect.
Mate, regarding the events of the region then I guess that all parties are to be blamed. It's complicated and the average person just wants peace and progress and I support that too.

Unfortunately, the average person doesn't have much influence. The parties involved have to think about our future.

What is needed is a civil society that is open for discourse which is still a few years if not decades away. Until that happens all parties want to rule as the sole power.

Weren't people saying this in the 70's? We can't just say time will bring change. It hasn't, and the people in charge have to prepare an environment for that or we won't get nowhere.
Makkah and Madinah have always been the spiritual center of Islam for almost 1500 years now and for the 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide. Are you talking about it politically or what?

Still Al-Quds is of enormous Islamic significance as you already know and there is an ongoing conflict there that have shaped the Muslim world for the past 70 years.

Of course politically. ;)
 
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And the difference is they represent what they stand for. In the Gulf we have clerics that are educated and express their opinions on social/political matters but don't implement any of it society and they represent something different than what they claim to stand for.


KSA does have Islamic System in place which is unmatched by any Gulf nations.



I do too, and we have to think outside the box to solve critical issues facing us. Because each Arab nation counts and is dear to us. Not to mention it will have monopoly effect.


Unfortunately, the average person doesn't have much influence. The parties involved have to think about our future.



Weren't people saying this in the 70's? We can't just say time will bring change. It hasn't, and the people in charge have to prepare an environment for that or we won't get nowhere.


Of course politically. ;)

Well, I can quickly reply to your post as your reply was quick too!

Ah, you were talking about the remaining GCC? Actually Qatar, Oman and even certain Emirates in the UAE are following Islamic laws on most fronts and the societies there tend to be very decent. You should really visit a country like Oman. Extremely beautiful country, great and welcoming people and observing Muslims. Yet people are conservative by nature or at least many tend to be so but at the same time people are very open to the remaining world which I personally like as we live in a global world. It's the nature of people to be open to the outside world too as the Arabian Peninsula has been an integral part of world history and a major crossroad in terms of trade, civilizations, influences etc.

I think that it is necessary in a state to have state appointed clerics. It's the same in Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey etc. if I am not mistaken and it was similar during the Caliphates. Actually most of the clerics that were not appointed by official hand were mostly disagreeing with the rulers and causing trouble. Also in KSA there are quite a few independent clerics, well all over the GCC, and most are good clerics but a minority are quite troubling in the sense that they would be willing to put their own countries on fire for outside agendas. Honestly speaking many of our Islamic scholars are serving various political agendas. I would like to see clerics serving Islam first of all before anything else. It's due to the growing politicization of Islam.

Exactly. Anyway I edited my post and also included the entire Muslim world as this is obvious so I won't repeat myself 1000's of times. Even a peaceful world is in our interest so not only Muslim states.:)

What people in the West experienced in the 1970's was possible for them because they had experienced all of those social struggles etc. that the Muslim world has never experienced. So we are behind them in that department. We are experiencing our revolutions now. "Our 1970's" will emerge in the next decades after most of the current revolutions or whatever one wants to call them have ended. That's what I believe in. I might be wrong though. .

Got that. Nice to see you back. A lot happened while you were gone although I have been absent for some time too. Good old PDF.:lol:
 
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Big part of ISIS members are also Saudi.
ISIS will go thru KSA, like a hot knife thru butter. It is just of matter of time...The US will find a way to accommodate with ISIS...Mark my word!
If we think Iraqi army armed them, less guess what the Saudi army will do for them once they cross into their border, it will be a bonanza flea market. The Libyan was joke compared to KSA's.
 
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ISIS will go thru KSA, like a hot knife thru butter. It is just of matter of time...The US will find a way to accommodate with ISIS...Mark my word!
If we think Iraqi army armed them, less guess what the Saudi army will do for them once they cross into their border, it will be a bonanza flea market. The Libyan was joke compared to KSA's.

Yes and worms have clearly gone through your tiny brain like a knife through butter. Now can you control yourself and grab some dildo to sit on? Your diarrhea and KSA/Arab obsession is getting tiring. I suggest that you help the millions of hungry fellow Berbarians across Africa before worrying about events in the ME that you have nothing to do with.

10 minutes have gone and you are running riot in 3-4 threads about KSA as usual. Where you rejected by some Saudi Arabian student in the US? There are thousands of them after all. Just because your country was in a long bloody civil war your dreams of seeing similar scenes in other countries (read KSA) will not succeed.
 
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Yes and worms have clearly gone through your tiny brain like a knife through butter. Now can you control yourself and grab some dildo to sit on? Your diarrhea and KSA/Arab obsession is getting tiring. I suggest that you help the millions of hungry fellow Berbarians across Africa before worrying about events in the ME that you have nothing to do with.
Among all the Saudi pdf's you are the only one who defends the undefendable, I guess that the role of half breeds. For the dildo, you have been sitting on it since your birth. From the French, the Pakistani, to the American brand, now ready yourself for the ISIS brand...

10 minutes have gone and you are running riot in 3-4 threads about KSA as usual. Where you rejected by some Saudi Arabian student in the US? There are thousands of them after all. Just because your country was in a long bloody civil war your dreams of seeing similar scenes in other countries (read KSA) will not succeed.

talk is cheap, let wait until they cross your border, I will uncork my cuvee du President, and enjoy the scenery like many to see the kingdom of evil being eaten raw by his test tube babies...
 
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ISIS will go thru KSA, like a hot knife thru butter. It is just of matter of time...The US will find a way to accommodate with ISIS...Mark my word!
If we think Iraqi army armed them, less guess what the Saudi army will do for them once they cross into their border, it will be a bonanza flea market. The Libyan was joke compared to KSA's.
Well, Saudi invests a lot of money in their weapons but weapons is not everything. At the end the soldier matters. In WW1 the Saudi soldiers in the Ottoman Empire ran away for loot and bribes. I think if ISIS plays it smart and uses the weakness of Saudi's. They can penetrate them deep or at least cause a lot of damage. Also the question is, how big is ISIS support in Saudi Arabia?
Yes and worms have clearly gone through your tiny brain like a knife through butter. Now can you control yourself and grab some dildo to sit on? Your diarrhea and KSA/Arab obsession is getting tiring. I suggest that you help the millions of hungry fellow Berbarians across Africa before worrying about events in the ME that you have nothing to do with.

10 minutes have gone and you are running riot in 3-4 threads about KSA as usual. Where you rejected by some Saudi Arabian student in the US? There are thousands of them after all. Just because your country was in a long bloody civil war your dreams of seeing similar scenes in other countries (read KSA) will not succeed.

Dude, I thought you were pan-Arab but I see you lashing out against your Arabic friends lately. You might be friends with US but at the end, they would sell you for two dimes of profit the first chance they get. Know who your real allies are.

Among all the Saudi pdf's you are the only one who defends the undefendable, I guess that the role of half breeds. For the dildo, you have been sitting on it since your birth. From the French, the Pakistani, to the American brand, now ready yourself for the ISIS brand...



talk is cheap, let wait until they cross your border, I will uncork my cuvee du President, and enjoy the scenery like many to see the kingdom of evil being eaten raw by his test tube babies...

I don't know if ISIS is going to be succesful in Saudi land but one thing is for sure. They will cause a lot of damage and penetrate deep. Also we will see how much the support is for ISIS which will be a big factor. If ISIS won't uncorck Saudi Arabia. The bottle will uncorck itself because of the preasure anyhow. The monarchy system is shaking and change of regime will go with a lot of chaos. The only thing that keeps it together is US support. When they get indepdent from Saudi energy. They will sell the Saudi's for two dimes. It is only matter of time and they are openly talkingn about this in the US media.
 
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Well, Saudi invests a lot of money in their weapons but weapons is not everything. At the end the soldier matters. In WW1 the Saudi soldiers in the Ottoman Empire ran away for loot and bribes. I think if ISIS plays it smart and uses the weakness of Saudi's. They can penetrate them deep or at least cause a lot of damage. Also the question is, how big is ISIS support in Saudi Arabia?
Saudi Arabia is ISIS, because she was ordered his creation. Nothing happens in the Middle east, without being ordered by a stronger power. A lot of arab states especially the one who play the states of service to USA. What those states fell to understand is , the US is using ISIS as proxy army, and they are directing them, where they want them to go. The US intervened in Iraq because their oil companies in Kirkuk were threatened , it is not because their love of the Iraqis. They will do the same to the Sauds, they will change their preference to ISIS once they cross the Saudi border.



I don't know if ISIS is going to be succesful in Saudi land but one thing is for sure. They will cause a lot of damage and penetrate deep. Also we will see how much the support is for ISIS which will be a big factor. If ISIS won't uncorck Saudi Arabia. The bottle will uncorck itself because of the preasure anyhow. The monarchy system is shaking and change of regime will go with a lot of chaos. The only thing that keeps it together is US support. When they get indepdent from Saudi energy. They will sell the Saudi's for two dimes. It is only matter of time and they are openly talkingn about this in the US media.
ISIS taking over of KSA and the GCC is just a matter of time...That's Bush junior plan being applied.
 
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Saudi Arabia is ISIS, because she was ordered his creation. Nothing happens in the Middle east, without being ordered by a stronger power. A lot of arab states especially the one who play the states of service to USA. What those states fell to understand is , the US is using ISIS as proxy army, and they are directing them, where they want them to go. The US intervened in Iraq because their oil companies in Kirkuk were threatened , it is not because their love of the Iraqis. They will do the same to the Sauds, they will change their preference to ISIS once they cross the Saudi border.




ISIS taking over of KSA and the GCC is just a matter of time...That's Bush junior plan being applied.
This won't happen anytime soon. The world still is dependent on Saudi oil. When the alternative is there. It will happen though. No question about it. In the west the are already questioning why they support Saudi over ISIS since Saudi are doing the same hangings and executions.
 
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Well, Saudi invests a lot of money in their weapons but weapons is not everything. At the end the soldier matters. In WW1 the Saudi soldiers in the Ottoman Empire ran away for loot and bribes. I think if ISIS plays it smart and uses the weakness of Saudi's. They can penetrate them deep or at least cause a lot of damage. Also the question is, how big is ISIS support in Saudi Arabia?


Dude, I thought you were pan-Arab but I see you lashing out against your Arabic friends lately. You might be friends with US but at the end, they would sell you for two dimes of profit the first chance they get. Know who your real allies are.



I don't know if ISIS is going to be succesful in Saudi land but one thing is for sure. They will cause a lot of damage and penetrate deep. Also we will see how much the support is for ISIS which will be a big factor. If ISIS won't uncorck Saudi Arabia. The bottle will uncorck itself because of the preasure anyhow. The monarchy system is shaking and change of regime will go with a lot of chaos. The only thing that keeps it together is US support. When they get indepdent from Saudi energy. They will sell the Saudi's for two dimes. It is only matter of time and they are openly talkingn about this in the US media.

The Saudi state was not formed during WW1, and the only active Arabian army was that of the Hasmite kingdom, which actively fought against the Saudi state at the time. You are apparently extremely ignorant and misguided. You need some history lessons.
 
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Well, Saudi invests a lot of money in their weapons but weapons is not everything. At the end the soldier matters. In WW1 the Saudi soldiers in the Ottoman Empire ran away for loot and bribes. I think if ISIS plays it smart and uses the weakness of Saudi's. They can penetrate them deep or at least cause a lot of damage. Also the question is, how big is ISIS support in Saudi Arabia?


Dude, I thought you were pan-Arab but I see you lashing out against your Arabic friends lately. You might be friends with US but at the end, they would sell you for two dimes of profit the first chance they get. Know who your real allies are.



I don't know if ISIS is going to be succesful in Saudi land but one thing is for sure. They will cause a lot of damage and penetrate deep. Also we will see how much the support is for ISIS which will be a big factor. If ISIS won't uncorck Saudi Arabia. The bottle will uncorck itself because of the preasure anyhow. The monarchy system is shaking and change of regime will go with a lot of chaos. The only thing that keeps it together is US support. When they get indepdent from Saudi energy. They will sell the Saudi's for two dimes. It is only matter of time and they are openly talkingn about this in the US media.
Berbers aren't arabs.. Educate yourself.
 
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Well, Saudi invests a lot of money in their weapons but weapons is not everything. At the end the soldier matters. In WW1 the Saudi soldiers in the Ottoman Empire ran away for loot and bribes. I think if ISIS plays it smart and uses the weakness of Saudi's. They can penetrate them deep or at least cause a lot of damage. Also the question is, how big is ISIS support in Saudi Arabia?


Dude, I thought you were pan-Arab but I see you lashing out against your Arabic friends lately. You might be friends with US but at the end, they would sell you for two dimes of profit the first chance they get. Know who your real allies are.



I don't know if ISIS is going to be succesful in Saudi land but one thing is for sure. They will cause a lot of damage and penetrate deep. Also we will see how much the support is for ISIS which will be a big factor. If ISIS won't uncorck Saudi Arabia. The bottle will uncorck itself because of the preasure anyhow. The monarchy system is shaking and change of regime will go with a lot of chaos. The only thing that keeps it together is US support. When they get indepdent from Saudi energy. They will sell the Saudi's for two dimes. It is only matter of time and they are openly talkingn about this in the US media.

Saudi Arabia did not exist prior to 1932 and 80% of the land area of what is now KSA was never part of any Ottoman Empire. In fact a few Hijazi clans rebelled against the Ottomans in Hijaz and defeated them. Nobody fought for the Ottomans outside of a few people from the Emirate of Jabal Shammar.

Can the same not be said about Turkey vis a vis ISIS? So far ISIS has done nothing to KSA and they are unable to do so.

He is an stateless Berbarian native to Northern Mali. Not an Arab.

The US is irrelevant in all of this. Nobody is shaking either. KSA has never been stronger than it is today and people have been saying the same for 82 years now. A bit like when they talk about the Kurds or Berbers getting a homeland in Turkey and Algeria.:lol:
 
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ISIS will go thru KSA, like a hot knife thru butter. It is just of matter of time...The US will find a way to accommodate with ISIS...Mark my word!
If we think Iraqi army armed them, less guess what the Saudi army will do for them once they cross into their border, it will be a bonanza flea market. The Libyan was joke compared to KSA's.

IS is losing ground in Iraq/Syria recently.
 
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Saudi Arabia did not exist prior to 1932 and 80% of the land area of what is now KSA was never part of any Ottoman Empire.

Yes, but we had the best parts. Who wants deserts with rats and snakes.

In fact a few Hijazi clans rebelled against the Ottomans in Hijaz and defeated them. Nobody fought for the Ottomans outside of a few people from the Emirate of Jabal Shammar.

Can the same not be said about Turkey vis a vis ISIS? So far ISIS has done nothing to KSA and they are unable to do so.

He is an stateless Berbarian native to Northern Mali. Not an Arab.

The US is irrelevant in all of this. Nobody is shaking either. KSA has never been stronger than it is today and people have been saying the same for 82 years now. A bit like when they talk about the Kurds or Berbers getting a homeland in Turkey and Algeria.:lol:
I think with Saudi Arabia it is different. ISIS might do or don't do something. The Saudi monarchy is very fragile at the moment. I have my questions regarding it can transform into a democracy and I 'm saying that very lightly. Eventually a regime change will happen since the people will demand that. The question is what will the new regime look like? ISIS might want to play a role there but if it can or cannot. Regime change will happen.

IS is losing ground in Iraq/Syria recently.
Where?

From all I know they made advances in the western front and eastern front and did't give up an inch in Kobane.

The Saudi state was not formed during WW1, and the only active Arabian army was that of the Hasmite kingdom, which actively fought against the Saudi state at the time. You are apparently extremely ignorant and misguided. You need some history lessons.
You are all the same for me.

Berbers aren't arabs.. Educate yourself.

Some Berbers I know call themselves Arab.
 
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